On old people in restaurants...

[gWIL 0]

Where do you live, gWIL? Up here in Minnesota, servers make the same minimum wage as everyone, and then tips on top of that. Plus, I kept getting raises, so when I left I was at about $7/hr plus tips, which put me near $17, $18/hr on a good day. But I know Wisconsin is different, and one of my good friends only made about $2.50/hr, and she worked at a really nice Italian place in Milwaukee.

 

Notre Dame, Indiana. I believe server minium wage is $2.17 in Indiana.

 

 

For the record I'm a cook, who busses tables on the weekends to make extra cash. I get tipped out by the servers so if they're having a bad day customer wise then so am I.

 

Also when I eat out the WORST tip I give out is 15%. 20-25% is average for me.

[gWIL 0]

Seriously though, the whole "I only make 3 dollars an hour, TIP ME!" argument is stupid. Just get a job where they actually have to pay you minimum wage, and stop bitching.

 

I hate people who get tips, myself, mostly because of my job. I take an hour out of my day to help some customer get a TV off the top shelf, wait in line with them, bring it out to their car, take the TV out of the box and load it into the car myself, and they drive off. I don't even have to do all that stuff, I'm just being nice. I get nothing, 95% of the time.

 

You carry a plate of food from one place to another and people are *expected* to give you more money because of it, even though the only friggin' reason you work there in the first place is to move that food? Fuck you.

 

Do you have any idea how hard working in a restaurant is? Wow, you carry a box. How much do you make an hour?

 

I have to constantly deal with working at the most poplar sports bar in the area, which is always understaffed and on weekends averages an 1 hour to a 2 hour wait. Working our tent part, which was outdoors in 50 degree weather, I was sweating my ass off running around trying to please everyone.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Hey, you're only a couple hours away from me.

 

I'm going to eat where you work and leave you a nickel and a cigarette.

[sfaJack 0]

Well goody for you on the tipping 20-25%. That's your choice. It's too much though. The only time it might not be is if you have a really large group (minimum 10 people) and have one waiter working your table (and only your table) for two hours. Case in point, my college graduation: we had a group of 23 for an hour and a half. We gave the dude an extra $30 in addition to whatever the standard gratuity charge was. Last I checked, that's pretty good change for carrying trays and refilling drinks. The guy earned it though.

 

I know I've raised the question here before, but what in the hell does the price of a meal have to do with how much you're supposed to tip? The only people I ever see advocating this are the people that depend on tips for a living. Not coincidentally, they're also the same people who seem to be claiming 20% is the new standard for good service. Gee, I wonder why they'd say that.

 

If you don't like what you get paid, find a better job.

[Art Sandusky 0]

Seriously though, the whole "I only make 3 dollars an hour, TIP ME!" argument is stupid. Just get a job where they actually have to pay you minimum wage, and stop bitching.

 

I hate people who get tips, myself, mostly because of my job. I take an hour out of my day to help some customer get a TV off the top shelf, wait in line with them, bring it out to their car, take the TV out of the box and load it into the car myself, and they drive off. I don't even have to do all that stuff, I'm just being nice. I get nothing, 95% of the time.

 

You carry a plate of food from one place to another and people are *expected* to give you more money because of it, even though the only friggin' reason you work there in the first place is to move that food? Fuck you.

 

Do you have any idea how hard working in a restaurant is? Wow, you carry a box. How much do you make an hour?

 

I have to constantly deal with working at the most poplar sports bar in the area, which is always understaffed and on weekends averages an 1 hour to a 2 hour wait. Working our tent part, which was outdoors in 50 degree weather, I was sweating my ass off running around trying to please everyone.

Okay, so you completely missed the point. If it sucks that much, get another job. Either that or stop bitching, because that's really what it is, petty bitching.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

1. A box with a TV in it > a box. About a hundred pounds greater on average, but that's beside the point.

 

2. That's only one part of what I do. I have various other tasks to perform.

 

3. I make less then 8 dollars an hour, Canadian, but that's mostly because I've had the same job for a few years and get a raise every year.

 

4. I have to constantly deal with working in one of the popular stores in the area, which is always understaffed and on weekends is so busy I can hardly walk around without bumping into 5 people. I also have to spend a great deal of time outside running around, whether the weather is 50 degrees, 20 degrees, whether it's pouring rain or snowing, trying to please many people.

 

5. The point I was trying to make is that tipping bothers me because people are expected to give tips to people serving tables, (which is the main reason you're there in the first place) yet people like me, who go out of their way to help people, aren't technically even ALLOWED to accept tips. To me, it's basically saying that your boss is too damned cheap to pay you, so *I'm* expected to do it. Fuck that.

 

The bottom line though, as Kotz pointed out, is that you need to get a better job. Don't make minimum wage? Find a job that does pay at least that, and stop bitching.

[gWIL 0]

Hey, you're only a couple hours away from me.

 

I'm going to eat where you work and leave you a nickel and a cigarette.

 

Where you from? The cigarette I would be able to resale to one of the other under 18 cools for at least a buck.

 

 

5. The point I was trying to make is that tipping bothers me because people are expected to give tips to people serving tables, (which is the main reason you're there in the first place) yet people like me, who go out of their way to help people, aren't technically even ALLOWED to accept tips. To me, it's basically saying that your boss is too damned cheap to pay you, so *I'm* expected to do it. Fuck that.

 

You do know that if servers were paid say $8/hr by the company, hardly any restaurant would be able to stay in buisness let alone actually turn a profit. 99% of restaurants have a very small profit margin.

[naiwf 0]

Hey, you're only a couple hours away from me.

 

I'm going to eat where you work and leave you a nickel and a cigarette.

 

Where you from? The cigarette I would be able to resale to one of the other under 18 cools for at least a buck.

 

 

5. The point I was trying to make is that tipping bothers me because people are expected to give tips to people serving tables, (which is the main reason you're there in the first place) yet people like me, who go out of their way to help people, aren't technically even ALLOWED to accept tips. To me, it's basically saying that your boss is too damned cheap to pay you, so *I'm* expected to do it. Fuck that.

 

You do know that if servers were paid say $8/hr by the company, hardly any restaurant would be able to stay in buisness let alone actually turn a profit. 99% of restaurants have a very small profit margin.

 

Inept management shouldn't fall on the backs of the customers who have to deal with horrible wait staff in most cases. In my opinion, 90% of the time it's the shitty waiters who complain about getting bad tips.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

Dammit, that's what I was gonna say.

 

Besides, who said you guys were worth $8 an hour? I said minimum wage.

 

Also, I'm looking at a bunch of rules concerning minimum wage laws in Canada, and it appears to me that servers here *do* make minimum wage. And, lo and behold, resturants stay in business.

 

Perhaps your employers are just bad businessmen.

[Art Sandusky 0]

Hey Canadians: In America, the businessmen are supposed to be the oppressed and impoverished class here. Just ask our government.

[Special K 0]

IMO, old people are the only people that get a pass on this. Who can begrudge them for wanting to go out once a week to somewhere decent? That $1 tip is probably a lot for them too.

 

I can understand not tipping if the server is just rude, but otherwise? Set your fine dining cap at Arby's and fuck off. Even tipping a buck on $15 shows that you give a shit. While it may be bad waiters who complain about tips, it's bad people who complain about tipping people a buck.

 

For the record? I don't work in food service. Never have.

 

One thing I don't like is bartenders thinking they deserve a buck every time they poor a fucking beer.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Back in the day I worked hard, brought people their food in a timely manner and never got any extra money for it.

 

Oh yeah. I was working fast food.

[Special K 0]

I would tip fast-food workers if I could.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Not me. I didn't get anything, so they won't get anything.

 

I don't mind the whole "tipping" thing though, although there has been two times where I didn't leave a tip. Well, actually one time, because the other "tip" I left was 2 cents and a note on the credit card slip saying all the things he did horribly.

[Special K 0]

Yeah, once at the Trolley Stop Cafe in NO me and two friends were the only people in besides one other table, and the waitress was just a complete bitch. Slammed our food down on the table, spun on her heel and stalked away from the table. We weren't doing anything wrong, so she was just probably having a bad day. either way, no tip for you.

 

If a server's friendly and get the wrong kind of cheese on my burger or something, not big deal.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

It's funny because it's really hard to piss me off (believe it or not) if you're a waiter. Just give me my food, fill up my glass one or two times, and hand me my check. No hippie small talk. No "HI HOW ARE YOU I'M GREAT AND YOURSELF WOULD YOU LIKE TO TRY OUR HOUSE SPECIAL IT'S REALLY GOOD AND MY WHAT A NICE SHIRT YOU ARE WEARING." Just leave me alone.

 

I'll have to remember the time I didn't tip at all.

[Special K 0]

Yeah, I hate the overly chatty places like Friday's. I guess the waiters HAVE to do that, though.

 

"Hi, what can a get for you this evening?" is perfect. Even the 'this evening' is garnish.

[Art Sandusky 0]

Dude, the dog-and-pony show the waitresses at Hooters have to put on actually keeps me from going there. I start to feel sorry for them.

[BruiserKC 0]

Hey, you're only a couple hours away from me.

 

I'm going to eat where you work and leave you a nickel and a cigarette.

 

 

And make sure he gets the chance to play every food server's favorite game show..."Find The Tip!"

[The Czech Republic 0]

I would tip fast-food workers if I could.

So would I, but that stupid window always gets in my way.

[Art Sandusky 0]

What jobs have you had or hold currently, Czech.

[gWIL 0]

Dammit, that's what I was gonna say.

 

Besides, who said you guys were worth $8 an hour? I said minimum wage.

 

Also, I'm looking at a bunch of rules concerning minimum wage laws in Canada, and it appears to me that servers here *do* make minimum wage. And, lo and behold, resturants stay in business.

 

Perhaps your employers are just bad businessmen.

 

I'll break this down for you:

 

30% of profit goes to food cost.

50% goes to labor and other costs (building rent, advertising etc.)

If a restaurant is lucky it can take home 20% of the profit. However building in high rent districts or if the restaurnat has trouble keeping the food cost below 30% <-- which is extremely difficult to do. Aprox. 10% of all money brought in is profit that the restaurant takes home.

 

If restaurants were to abolish with the tip system and pay their servers, a fair amount say $8, there is no keeping of employees when they are paid m. wage, two things will happen:

 

1. Shitty service: No chance of getting a good tip, servers won't give a shit.

2. Menu prices will go up 20-25% in order to allow the restaurant to turn a profit.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

there is no keeping of employees when they are paid m. wage

 

Says the guy who works for LESS then that.

 

I still wanna know how it's possible that in Canada, they're paid at least minimum wage, and yet it's somehow mathmatically impossible to do the same thing in the states.

 

And for the record, I do tip normally, though I don't tip much; I just think it's silly that it's expected of me to do so.

[Slayer 0]

mcdonalds employee

manwhore

toilet cleaner

Liar

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...you've never cleaned a toilet

[Art Sandusky 0]

Hey Canadians: In America, the businessmen are supposed to be the oppressed and impoverished class here. Just ask our government.

Did this escape your eyes? It's not that we can't do it (pay minimum wage), it's that we refuse to do it.

 

By the way, our restaurant pays more than minimum wage to its employees, in an extremely high rent area of downtown, yet still had its most profitable year ever last year. The whole "we can't turn a profit if we pay people fair wages" argument is bullshit.

[chuck415 0]

Is it wrong that I am more likely to give a waitress a tip that a waiter? I would much rather prefer to be waited on by a female. Why is this? Also my left nad seems to be larger than the right.

[Art Sandusky 0]

It isn't terribly wrong, but it's telling.

[Hoff 0]

It's a genetic disposition. I worked as a server for six years, I know how hard it is, and I know that men tend to get the shaft, so to speak...yet I still find myself laying down a little extra for a cute girl. This is only if she did her job well, though. You suck, and it doesn't matter if you're male or female. You get what you earned. I can't remember the last time I stiffed someone, but it's happened.

 

Also when I eat out the WORST tip I give out is 15%. 20-25% is average for me.

You realize that you're overcompensating for your own sore feelings and bad attitude, right? Hey, if you need a hand off that cross, let me know. Some math: if your average table is $15-20, and they tip 15%, that's $2.50 to $3 per table. If you can't make that livable, find a busier restaurant. If the place you work is busy, then clearly you're in the wrong line of work, although that seems evident already.

 

EDIT: I didn't see your reply to me. As a cook, this is less your fault. Although, as a cook, I'm shocked you make less than minimum wage. Is this how it is in other states? God bless the dirrty north. Anyway, much of what I said still stands, including the inkling that foodservice may not be your calling.

Edited February 1, 2006 by Hoff

[sfaJack 0]

Is it wrong that I am more likely to give a waitress a tip that a waiter? I would much rather prefer to be waited on by a female. Why is this? Also my left nad seems to be larger than the right.

It's not wrong. I have a similar thing of only wanting a female to cut my hair.

[gWIL 0]

I didn't see your reply to me. As a cook, this is less your fault. Although, as a cook, I'm shocked you make less than minimum wage. Is this how it is in other states? God bless the dirrty north. Anyway, much of what I said still stands, including the inkling that foodservice may not be your calling.

 

when I buss I get $3/hr plus tips. I need this extra cash. During the week I work almost everynight, I get $8/hr cooking.