Hawk 34 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2007 NASCAR is transitioning from being a "good ol' boy" sport, to being mainstream entertainment. It makes sense for ESPN to cater to and build that audience. 1994 was over a decade ago. NASCAR has been firmly "mainstream" for awhile. It's probably the most visable sport across the board given the countless media exposure, corporate relevance and cross-marketing . NASCAR isn't exactly a new commodity for ESPN anyways but obviously since they ramped up coverage and rights, they are going to push it since it'll actually draw viewers. NASCAR doesn't need to build its audience, it needs to maintain it. The Toyota situation is far more interesting then Martyball getting cut anyways. You got a major international corporation that spent over $100 million to invest into NASCAR in addition to all the massive amount of equally major corporate sponsers (Red Bull, Dominoes, NAPA, Burger King, etc, etc) and the figurehead spokesman for the entire enterprise (Waltrip) was busted for cheating right off the bat a week before the biggest race of the season. What else would PTI talk about? Marty getting fired for the 20th time? He'll be coaching again next season. How is that fucking news? He's Larry Brown minus the ability to win when it counts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Niggardly King 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2007 Has anyone read any ESPN published books? Are there some good ones? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 Now I Can Die In Peace is good if you like Bill Simmons. The only other one I've ever read is The Best Hand I've Ever Played, but that's because I'm a poker junkie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Oedipus Rex Report post Posted February 14, 2007 NASCAR is transitioning from being a "good ol' boy" sport, to being mainstream entertainment. It makes sense for ESPN to cater to and build that audience. 1994 was over a decade ago. NASCAR has been firmly "mainstream" for awhile. It's probably the most visable sport across the board given the countless media exposure, corporate relevance and cross-marketing . Football? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawk 34 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 NASCAR is transitioning from being a "good ol' boy" sport, to being mainstream entertainment. It makes sense for ESPN to cater to and build that audience. 1994 was over a decade ago. NASCAR has been firmly "mainstream" for awhile. It's probably the most visable sport across the board given the countless media exposure, corporate relevance and cross-marketing . Football? Football is the dominant sport across America and that's not remotely within the confines of a legitmate arguement but I meant more in terms of the structure of the two sports The NFL is within itself, while NASCAR by nature requries to be visable in a larger corporate capacity especially regarding heavier marketing from a wider branch of promotional machines. I should have been more clear in comparison to what was initally said regarding NASCAR still moving out of it's former element as the "good ol' boys" into the current massive corporate and marketing machine. Via the sprawling corporate influence, NASCAR, or more specifically, NEXTEL CUP and their drivers are more visiable rather then the NFL which is self-promoted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Oedipus Rex Report post Posted February 14, 2007 "Not remotely within the confines of a legitimate argument"? What? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawk 34 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 "Not remotely within the confines of a legitimate argument"? What? I meant something there but I'm not sure what that might have been. It's been a long day. I should sleep. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broward83 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 Yeah... ESPN sucks.. but dammit, they read my "valentines" about the Texans on their show today. Back to the hateration. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dobbs 3K 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 Today on a local radio show, they were talking with Steve Czaban, a sports guy out of Washington DC, and he was reading from this hilarious article about all the incorrect predictions football commentators made over this past season. Of note was ESPN the Magazine incorrectly predicting the Super Bowl winner over the last four years or so...in fact, none of the teams they picked even made the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 Today on a local radio show, they were talking with Steve Czaban, a sports guy out of Washington DC, and he was reading from this hilarious article about all the incorrect predictions football commentators made over this past season. Of note was ESPN the Magazine incorrectly predicting the Super Bowl winner over the last four years or so...in fact, none of the teams they picked even made the playoffs. That would be the always-excellent Tuesday Morning Quarterback: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story...terbrook/070213 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smues Report post Posted February 16, 2007 That ad for ESPN NEWS with the guy not being up to date with sports is awful. How awful is it? So bad that to escape it I flipped up the dial to ESPN2, which was showing Cold Pizza. And Cold Pizza had The Blob on. Fuck you ESPN. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2007 My cable company dropped ESPN Classic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smues Report post Posted February 18, 2007 My cable company dropped ESPN Classic. No more classic billiards and classic strong man competitions for you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted February 18, 2007 My cable company dropped ESPN Classic. No more classic billiards and classic strong man competitions for you. And poker. Don't forget poker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted February 18, 2007 Can anyone explain to me the constant hard on that pundits have for the Carolina Panthers? They had one fluke Super Bowl season and made the NFC title game last year, basically because nobody else really could. Carolina isn't any sort of amazing team that is going to multiple Super Bowls. They're a slightly better version of the 1994 Chargers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted February 18, 2007 Classic's showing old NBA All-Star Games right now. I think that's pretty cool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted February 18, 2007 They still show alot of old fights. Too bad my cable company doesnt carry it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Timmy8271 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2007 1 good thing about ESPN, They have Tim Cowlishaw doing NASCAR coverage. That's good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strummer 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2007 Has this been posted yet? ESPN has fired Michael Irvin. http://dale-earnhardt-jr.aolsportsblog.com...-michael-irvin/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Queen Leelee Report post Posted February 19, 2007 Finally. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawk 34 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2007 Like it matters. FOX will scoop him up anyways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Queen Leelee Report post Posted February 19, 2007 But, then he'll only be on Sundays. Where we can avoid him forever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Oedipus Rex Report post Posted February 19, 2007 Can anyone explain to me the constant hard on that pundits have for the Carolina Panthers? They had one fluke Super Bowl season and made the NFC title game last year, basically because nobody else really could. Carolina isn't any sort of amazing team that is going to multiple Super Bowls. They're a slightly better version of the 1994 Chargers. Because with STEVE SMITH STEVE SMITH STEVE SMITH and JAKE DAYLIGHT COME YOU GOTTA DELHOMME HA HA HA, they can always win games, I guess. The one I don't get is, "Call me crazy, but this is the year the Arizona Cardinals really put it all together and make the playoffs. I think Dennis Green/Emmitt Smith/Kurt Warner/Edgerrin James/Matt Leinart/Ken Whisenhunt is the one missing piece of the puzzle that will really allow the Cardinals to make some waves and win the West." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustJoe2k5 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2007 Can anyone explain to me the constant hard on that pundits have for the Carolina Panthers? They had one fluke Super Bowl season and made the NFC title game last year, basically because nobody else really could. Carolina isn't any sort of amazing team that is going to multiple Super Bowls. They're a slightly better version of the 1994 Chargers. Because with STEVE SMITH STEVE SMITH STEVE SMITH and JAKE DAYLIGHT COME YOU GOTTA DELHOMME HA HA HA, they can always win games, I guess. The one I don't get is, "Call me crazy, but this is the year the Arizona Cardinals really put it all together and make the playoffs. I think Dennis Green/Emmitt Smith/Kurt Warner/Edgerrin James/Matt Leinart/Ken Whisenhunt is the one missing piece of the puzzle that will really allow the Cardinals to make some waves and win the West." That never gets old...never. Have you heard the one about the Lions? They always take wide receivers! OMG!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike wanna be 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 Can anyone explain to me the constant hard on that pundits have for the Carolina Panthers? They had one fluke Super Bowl season and made the NFC title game last year, basically because nobody else really could. Carolina isn't any sort of amazing team that is going to multiple Super Bowls. They're a slightly better version of the 1994 Chargers. Because with STEVE SMITH STEVE SMITH STEVE SMITH and JAKE DAYLIGHT COME YOU GOTTA DELHOMME HA HA HA, they can always win games, I guess. The one I don't get is, "Call me crazy, but this is the year the Arizona Cardinals really put it all together and make the playoffs. I think Dennis Green/Emmitt Smith/Kurt Warner/Edgerrin James/Matt Leinart/Ken Whisenhunt is the one missing piece of the puzzle that will really allow the Cardinals to make some waves and win the West." That never gets old...never. Have you heard the one about the Lions? They always take wide receivers! OMG!! Current reports indicate that Millen is considering trading Ford Field and 2/3 of his mustache to get the #1 pick to take Calvin Johnson, and then he plans on selecting Jarrett with the #2 pick. Arizona keeps thinking it's a QB/RB/coach problem, when it's a O-line/entire defense problem. Carolina is pretty much the same team they were in their 03 Super Bowl run. 04, lots of injuries and they were still one game shy of making the playoffs. 05, less injuries and were one win away from the Super Bowl (and they had some playoff injuries that crippled them). 06, tons of injuries and they were...a Giants loss (and maybe a Packers loss too) away from sneaking into the playoffs. No matter how badly they get beat up injury-wise they seem to always be in the playoff hunt, and the last 2 seasons they weren't leveled with injuries throughout were their SB year in 03 and their NFC title game appearance of 05. That and the rest of the NFC is soft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 I think there was an article up on ESPN's website around the time of this year's Super Bowl that ranked all 80 teams that have appeared in the game and Carolina was either the worst or close to the worst. I don't have the article on hand, but I remember it said that they barely snuck by a bunch of lousy teams during the year and then had a lucky couple of weeks in the playoffs. Their performance the past couple of years would seem to support this, injuries notwithstanding. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craig Th 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2007 Where is my Baseball Tonight? NFL Live is still on and THE SEASON IS OVERRR. Baseball is starting Spring Training so get on it ESPN. Not just these Spring Training minutes they have on Sportscenter. I want more baseballllll. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2007 What could they possibly have to say that would fill up a half-hour NFL show at this time of year? Are they doing a five-part detailed analysis of the Pro Bowl? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naiwf 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2007 Draft analysis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2007 Where is my Baseball Tonight? NFL Live is still on and THE SEASON IS OVERRR. Baseball is starting Spring Training so get on it ESPN. Not just these Spring Training minutes they have on Sportscenter. I want more baseballllll. Apparently all of these coaching changes are more important than talking about Barry Bonds, Arod loves Jeter, Yankees vs Sox, Cubs curse, Braves never ending search for a closer, etc. What could they possibly have to say that would fill up a half-hour NFL show at this time of year? Are they doing a five-part detailed analysis of the Pro Bowl?So far its been Eli isn't as good as Peyton, the Giants hate their coach, Cowboys will win the NFC East cause its a weak division. Draft analysis. No, Mel Kelper siting yet! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
