OAO ECW on Sci-Fi Thread for 7/25 (Week 7)

[Guest DRH 502]

...when was it ever confirmed he was sent home for an addiction to painkillers???

[Enigma 0]

...when was it ever confirmed he was sent home for an addiction to painkillers???

Both Meltzer and PWInsider said he had a hardcore Vicodin dependency.

[cabbageboy 0]

Yeah but if he came back a week earlier that would be just 28 days, and thus not the 30 days for which he was suspended. Not everyone can be Orton and be brought back a week early, you know.

[RedJed 0]

I just finished watching the show and here my thoughts.

 

Tonights show was fun. A lot of it was positive and there was very little negitive.

 

Mixing the angles of Dreamer vs Test and Sandman vs Knox is a positive. Makes the angles a bit more meaningful also bigger and we can now see others being involved in this. Hopefully Francine will play some kind of role later on. Maybe Knox and Test get tired of Kelly and replace her with Francine and Kelly either goes to the corner of The Sandman or Dreamer...or gets dropped altogether.

 

Another big positive of tonight: NO KELLY'S EXPOSE!!!!

 

Guido getting sqaushed by Fertig wasn't a positive but wasn't a negitive either. Fertig was able to get over but he beat a guy who was just showed getting the crap kicked out of him by Heyman's body guards. So its not like Guido walked out there, 100% and Fertig squashed Guido.........And that chick "Ariel"....umm wow! She's hot and I'm glad she was on my tv tonight.

 

Balls vs Credible was a decent match. Could have better but it was good enough for tonight. I also think that the DQ finishes are going to end up being used in a angle some sort of way to the point where they will be dropped completely pretty soon and Balls got himself over with the crowd tonight as well. Which is always a good thing. Something needs to happen with Justin Credible through, getting DQ wins isn't helping him at all.

 

The main event was a fun match. Could have been better but given the time they got and the two guys in the ring, it was good enough.....and SABU! I want a Sabu vs Big Show match without Sabu being destoryed by Big Show.

I like how Sabu is being put over as the biggest threat to the Big Show's ECW title reign but what I don't like is how its happening. Now don't get me wrong, I like the angle thats being used. I like paranoid Heyman but what bugs me is this angle thats being used to help put over Sabu is a re-hash.

 

It has been done before with Lesnar, Big Show, and Heyman but instead Big Show is champion with Heyman in his corner and Sabu is playing the part of big threat that Big Show is shrugging off while Heyman is paranoid as all hell. Except this time I think things will be different and Heyman won't end up joining Sabu.

 

Tonights show had very little, if none, negitiive points, if anything it was a very positive show and I'm looking forward to next week.

 

That about sums up my points on the show, although Credible/Balls was pretty bad "WWE style" for the most part. If they are having two ECW "originals" in a match, they really need to let them have free reign with the time they are given and not force them to work a style that is "accepted" in WWE world. Was pleasently surprised by it. VERY possible Heyman may have been doing the main crutch of writing on this with Vince out with the Stephy thing. Didn't seem like a Vince booked show for the most part.

[Enigma 0]

VERY possible Heyman may have been doing the main crutch of writing on this with Vince out with the Stephy thing. Didn't seem like a Vince booked show for the most part.

PWInsider said Vince was backstage during the Smackdown/ECW tapings.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

VERY possible Heyman may have been doing the main crutch of writing on this with Vince out with the Stephy thing. Didn't seem like a Vince booked show for the most part.

PWInsider said Vince was backstage during the Smackdown/ECW tapings.

Regardless of that fact, last night's show totally felt like a Heyman show and the booking style had his fingerprints all over it. Although the shows aren't that great, I don't feel that there is anything necessarily bad, it's just things haven't quite clicked yet. I'm very optimistic about the future of the ECW project though. Heyman has avoided shooting his load in the first few shows. Things are building slowly and I wouldn't expect things to come together until the first PPV show. They are just working out the kinks and establishing the base for a new ECW.

[NoCalMike 0]

Lets also not forget that it is probably harder to work within the 60 minute time contraints when you have a live show. With the old ECW, it was an hour show as well, however they got to pick and choose the best segments from their house shows to air on TV. A live one-hour show is proving to be a daunting task to get things over to the audience.

 

Also another point on the "extreme rules" thing, was it just me or did it seem like right after Balls Mahoney was DQ'd he had a shocked look and said to the referee, "whaaaat, this is ECW?!" kind of like he didn't understand the DQ. This could mean absolutely nothing of course, or it could be because the "extreme rules" thing is eventually going to end.

 

It could just be Heyman throwing this stuff into the show, just in case, down the road, he can convince McMahon to end the "extreme rules" thing.

 

The show last night was pretty good. More storylines are developed, and it looks like next week will actually be loaded with ECW-material.

[Hawk 34 0]

I think if you can't see where this extreme rules thing is going, you're completely missing the point.

 

ECW, aside from the random title matches has been doing a good job of building characters, storylines and in classic Heyman/ecw form, they have found ways to arc these together.

 

Heyman allowing TBS to work "extreme" rules but his former talent like Dreamer and Balls will get DQ'd in regular matches. There is a purpose to it and I actually like the direction it appears to be heading.

 

I know slow burn storylines aren't normal for a majority of the people here who are used to WWE's rushed style of booking but that's what this is right now, a slow burn.

[Enigma 0]

Heyman has avoided shooting his load in the first few shows.

It's amazing to think there are people out there that still think Paul Heyman has one bit of say about WWECW.

 

Dave Meltzer described the WWECW TV booking process as this:

 

1) Heyman writes a draft for the show

 

2) Vince & Co. liberally make changes to what Heyman has written

 

3) Vince's severely altered version makes it onto the air without compromising with Heyman

[haVoc 0]

Angle's returning less then a month after being "suspended" for a heavy addiction to pain killers?

 

Whatever happen to 30 day programs?

His last match was on June 27th, he doesn't make his return until August 1st...that's 35 days.

 

It's still too soon. Besides, I doubt he went to rehab to get the proper help.

 

A pill poppin' pro wrestler going back on the road is like an alcoholic bartender going back to work after 30 days. The only difference is the wrestler is more likely to drop dead.

[Cartman 0]

Heyman has avoided shooting his load in the first few shows.

It's amazing to think there are people out there that still think Paul Heyman has one bit of say about WWECW.

 

Dave Meltzer described the WWECW TV booking process as this:

 

1) Heyman writes a draft for the show

 

2) Vince & Co. liberally make changes to what Heyman has written

 

3) Vince's severely altered version makes it onto the air without compromising with Heyman

 

 

Since when is fucking Dave Meltzer the almighty god of wrestling and everything he says is 100% fact?

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

Heyman has avoided shooting his load in the first few shows.

It's amazing to think there are people out there that still think Paul Heyman has one bit of say about WWECW.

 

Dave Meltzer described the WWECW TV booking process as this:

 

1) Heyman writes a draft for the show

 

2) Vince & Co. liberally make changes to what Heyman has written

 

3) Vince's severely altered version makes it onto the air without compromising with Heyman

 

Doesn't matter. The original script is written by Heyman. He chooses the layout of the show, the matches, characters, etc. Just because some of that might be lost in translation by going through the editing process doesn't mean we aren't getting some form of what Heyman is shooting for. If you can't see that these are Heyman-influenced shows, you don't have a clue as to what his booking style is.

 

Meltzer has said numerous times that the direction of ECW changes daily. You're picking and choosing from his past writings on the subject.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

Heyman has avoided shooting his load in the first few shows.

It's amazing to think there are people out there that still think Paul Heyman has one bit of say about WWECW.

 

Dave Meltzer described the WWECW TV booking process as this:

 

1) Heyman writes a draft for the show

 

2) Vince & Co. liberally make changes to what Heyman has written

 

3) Vince's severely altered version makes it onto the air without compromising with Heyman

 

 

Since when is fucking Dave Meltzer the almighty god of wrestling and everything he says is 100% fact?

 

1985?

[Hawk 34 0]

To deny that Heyman's influence isn't being felt in this show would be a mistake. It is clearly there in the pacing and character developments, those are nuances that are in Heyman's playbook as opposed to WWE's.

 

McMahon is pulling the strings, that's not for debate but to act as if Heyman is non-existant in the project is absurd.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I'd say that Heyman influences the things that Vince doesn't think are worth putting effort into. That said, the ECW show that had the RVD vs. Angle main event was all Vince. He was hands-on on every segment on that show.

[hyperchord24 0]

The finish to the Balls/Credible match was confusing. After he got DQed, he got up and smiled as though he had just won the match. Why? Did he think Credible just gave up? There was no tap, no pin, and yet Balls thought he won the match? I know face IQs are supposed to be small, but come on.

 

The way I originally took it is when Balls smiled, he knew he got DQed, but didn't care and was happy he used a weapon.

[Maztinho 0]

The finish to the Balls/Credible match was confusing. After he got DQed, he got up and smiled as though he had just won the match. Why? Did he think Credible just gave up? There was no tap, no pin, and yet Balls thought he won the match? I know face IQs are supposed to be small, but come on.

 

The way I originally took it is when Balls smiled, he knew he got DQed, but didn't care and was happy he used a weapon.

 

I think he smiled because he just caved Justin's arms in with the chairshot, and figured he could get the win. His expression of disbelief that he got DQ'd was classic however.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

The finish to the Balls/Credible match was confusing. After he got DQed, he got up and smiled as though he had just won the match. Why? Did he think Credible just gave up? There was no tap, no pin, and yet Balls thought he won the match? I know face IQs are supposed to be small, but come on.

 

The way I originally took it is when Balls smiled, he knew he got DQed, but didn't care and was happy he used a weapon.

 

This is part of the reason that the WWE doesn't book more intellectual storylines. Their fans can't even pick up the most basic of hints about storylines. I guess subtlety is lost on this generation of wrestling fans.

[Guest Hotbutter Spoontoaster]

The Extreme Enforcers last night who beat up Little Guido under masks were Doug & Danny Basham.

[NoCalMike 0]

ECW Rating for 07/25 was 2.4

[Hawk 34 0]

Raw's ratings are dropping, while ECW's stay steady.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

Raw's ratings are dropping, while ECW's stay steady.

The funny things that happen when you put on a consistently decent product.

[NoCalMike 0]

Yeah but we all already know the excuse lined up for Raw's drop.....

 

"Vince and Shane and HHH weren't there dammit"

[cabbageboy 0]

Raw did a 3.8, that doesn't seem too bad really. And I actually can see why HHH, Vince, and Shane not being there might knock it down a bit.

 

I'll have to see the DQ stuff go anywhere to believe it. They aren't really hyping it that much from a storyline standpoint.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Raw did a 3.8, that doesn't seem too bad really. And I actually can see why HHH, Vince, and Shane not being there might knock it down a bit.

How? Them being there before now hasn't exactly shot the ratings up.

[AmazingRen 0]

Credit: PWinsider.com

 

This week's edition of ECW on Sci Fi did a 2.4 cable rating, which is a good number for the show. As we mentioned on the Elite site yesterday, while it has not been officially announced at this time, WWE management is working under the assumption that the show will be picked up when its trial period ends. Sci Fi management is said to be very happy with the rating that the show has been doing.

[snuffbox 0]

I'll have to see the DQ stuff go anywhere to believe it. They aren't really hyping it that much from a storyline standpoint.

 

Are you serious? A brutal drinking game could be made for everytime Joey/Tazz squeeled something about 'extreme rules!'

[razazteca 0]

Yeah but we all already know the excuse lined up for Raw's drop.....

 

"Vince and Shane and HHH weren't there dammit"

Blame Coach.

[Maztinho 0]

 

I'll have to see the DQ stuff go anywhere to believe it. They aren't really hyping it that much from a storyline standpoint.

 

Are you serious? A brutal drinking game could be made for everytime Joey/Tazz squeeled something about 'extreme rules!'

 

You'd be drunk as a skunk by the time Kelly touches her bra.

[Scroby 0]

Yeah but we all already know the excuse lined up for Raw's drop.....

 

"Vince and Shane and HHH weren't there dammit"

If they really use that excuse on why the ratings dropped I will be a bit surprised. There's no way in just a short few hours of leaving for the hospital that many people would tune out of Raw just because those 3 are there. You'd think the ratings would drop because people are SICK of seeing the same shit on Raw every week for the past 3 months.