Ultimate Put Over.....

[Just John 0]

UT could put over someone huge if he wanted to, but he obviously doesn't. The biggest chance was with Orton last year, but that went nowhere.

 

Actually, with the way WWE books, any top guy giving up a clean job could be huge. If someone went over Cena or Batista clean, that could really elevate them. When was the last time Batista got pinned in a one on one match, anyway?

[FroGG_NeaL 0]

If Goldberg returned, having someone squash him Goldberg-style would really put someone over.

 

As long as that person was getting crowd pops, otherwise the crowd would probably crap all over that.

 

 

If he keeps improving at the rate he is now, Lashley is the obvious choice for that.

[benn 0]

I don't think we'll see Goldberg anywhere near a WWE ring again.

[Guest droptoehold]

If the Rock ever came back, I would hope it

would be for something of that nature. Not

to cement someone like Orton, Cena, or Edge.

 

Foley did everything he could with Orton, and that

was the best shot I have seen in the last 5 years.

[FroGG_NeaL 0]

The thing is, Foley did more for Edge in the end, even though it was a re-hash of the Orton fued.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

The last high profile job that actually meant something I think would be HHH jobbing to Cena clean at Mania 22.

 

When was the last time Batista got pinned in a one on one match, anyway?

 

I remember that one time on RAW (I think following NYR) Batista jobbed to Orton via a roll-up and we got the classic Angry Bleeding Face Batista Expression.

[Sly 0]

... the word is "maybe", not "mabye".

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

I'd say the last big rub was given to Triple H by Mick Foley. Mick did the job every time, in every way possible, and each consecutive time, the fans were SO SURE Foley was going to win. THAT was the way to put someone over.

 

Hogan jobbing to Rock at WMX8 was just as big, as was Rock to Lesnar.

[Guest DRH 502]

Agreed. You know if Iwere in Hogan's spot, I wouldn't put anyone over that wasn't Steve Austin or the Rock. No one else is worthy of such a rub. He is Hulk Hogan love him or hate him. Would you expect Superman to do the job for Lex Luthor?....with LEX LUGER? Fuck no.

[Ultra Violence 0]

Agreed. You know if Iwere in Hogan's spot, I wouldn't put anyone over that wasn't Steve Austin or the Rock.

 

What would be the use in putting over two non wrestlers?

[Promoter 0]

I kind of agree that Hogan coming back to put some of these newer guys over won't work and it also doesn't make sense for Hogan to put over two non wrestlers either. Hogan should just be up against useless guys with no up potential or some kind of throwback match such as Hogan vs. Big Show at WM 23.

 

The reason I say this is that it's not 1987 anymore. Most fans will just see through it as an attempt to put some underserving new guy over. Hogan put over The Rock for crying out loud and that didn't work as the crowd wanted Hogan to win. If Hogan put over Orton at SummerSlam it would be forgotten just as it's already forgotten the two even had a damn match. Hogan can't put over anybody at this point.

 

Steve Austin is a different story. People rag on Hogan, but the guy has NOT PUT ANYONE OVER. He lost to Rock at Mania 19 because it would have just been stupid for him to go over Rock at 3 Mania events and the story of the match was Rock not getting the better of Austin at the event. At least Hogan put over Ultimate Warrior and Undertaker back in the day as champions and the future. Austin can return and he CAN put someone over for good with the right booking and aftermath, but that aint gonna happen. He's gone and left the "new generation" empty. Something people said Hogan did to the wwf in the mid 90's, but Hogan at least put over crazy man Warrior and the guy of the topic Undertaker. Undertaker could put someone over and it could have been Orton, but would it have mattered afterwards?

 

As for Hogan and the wwe comments concerning stuff like Andre putting him over it's just the two of them being generous in putting Andre over with the newer audience. Hogan was OVER BIG TIME well before the WM 3 match. Andre turning heel actually helped Andre more than anything. Hogan's recent comments about Warrior is also ridiculous. Hogan was sad as hell when Vince went with Warrior as champion. I still have tapes of Hogan whining in wwf interviews about his heart skipping a beat and all that crap which caused him to lose to Warrior. I also have a news interview before the match where Hogan said Warrior fans were putting the horse before carriage by saying Warrior fans were more vocally powerful at events than Hulkamaniacs. That sure as hell doesn't sound like a guy being sure of Warrior flopping as champion and the belt going back to him. Warrior was billed as the 90's champion in mags such as PWI and whatnot and Hogan was afraid his time was done. Back to UT, I don't see anyone who would benefit with ending the streak. UT turning heel, winning the Rumble, and going against a face champion is a great idea. However, we know they would do it with Cena and realistically he doesn't need it.

[snuffbox 0]

Didn't Austin want to put Eddy over...but Vince thought jobbing him to Coach would be better?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I love how people think Hogan put Goldberg and Rock over.

 

Hogan did a job for Goldberg, but where were they both after that? Goldberg was stuck in the semi-main, and sometimes not even on a PPV, while Hogan was still in the main event and the focal point of virtually everything.

 

The idea that Hogan put Rock over at WM 18 is laughable though I’m not surprised that some people either cannot or will not see through it. Hogan did the job, but where was all the focus in the post-match? It wasn’t on Rock for beating Hogan. It was on Hogan for being such a gracious and humble loser and being all respectful. Hogan did the job but once again masterfully stole the spotlight in such a way that some people still can’t see it.

 

People are, again, confusing doing a job for someone with putting them over. They are not always the same thing. Rock did a job for Hurricane, but Hurricane wasn’t put over a lick from that. Nash did a clean job for Rey Mysterio, but I defy anyone to say that Mysterio got anything from it. Doing a job for someone that actually puts them over means they get the spotlight, they get the focus and they get elevated. It isn’t losing to someone and keeping the spotlight, staying the main focus and the winner staying on the same level they were before. Hogan’s jobs for Goldberg and Rock were classic examples; Hogan kept the spotlight, Hogan remained the focus, and neither guy got elevated from the win because of where the spotlight and focus remained.

[NoCalMike 0]

I love how people think Hogan put Goldberg and Rock over.

 

Hogan did a job for Goldberg, but where were they both after that? Goldberg was stuck in the semi-main, and sometimes not even on a PPV, while Hogan was still in the main event and the focal point of virtually everything.

 

The idea that Hogan put Rock over at WM 18 is laughable though I’m not surprised that some people either cannot or will not see through it. Hogan did the job, but where was all the focus in the post-match? It wasn’t on Rock for beating Hogan. It was on Hogan for being such a gracious and humble loser and being all respectful. Hogan did the job but once again masterfully stole the spotlight in such a way that some people still can’t see it.

 

People are, again, confusing doing a job for someone with putting them over. They are not always the same thing. Rock did a job for Hurricane, but Hurricane wasn’t put over a lick from that. Nash did a clean job for Rey Mysterio, but I defy anyone to say that Mysterio got anything from it. Doing a job for someone that actually puts them over means they get the spotlight, they get the focus and they get elevated. It isn’t losing to someone and keeping the spotlight, staying the main focus and the winner staying on the same level they were before. Hogan’s jobs for Goldberg and Rock were classic examples; Hogan kept the spotlight, Hogan remained the focus, and neither guy got elevated from the win because of where the spotlight and focus remained.

 

 

Correct, putting someone over involves so much more then a simple loss. Guys like Hogan, Austin, Rock, Triple H, UT, Flair....have their status cemented right now. Even when they lose, there is usually a circumstance or a burial the next night on Raw or something in the near future that renders their losses meaningless. Truly putting someone over takes more then a simple job.

[Guest Human Highlight Reel]

I thought The Rock did put Hurricane over, the writing staff just had no idea where to go with him after that, or they just didn't really care.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I thought The Rock did put Hurricane over, the writing staff just had no idea where to go with him after that, or they just didn't really care.

It was a fluke pin and Hurricane sprinted to the back before anyone could blink. The only one put over in that match was Steve Austin for causing Rock to lose. That was just a job, not Hurricane being put over.

[Just John 0]

And anything Helms might have gained from it was killed when he jobbed to HHH in under 3 minutes a month later.

 

The Rock was actually pretty generous and made Helms look decent throughout the match, despite the unclean loss.

[Guest DRH 502]

What would be the use in putting over two non wrestlers?

 

Cause they are the only two dudes worth him jobbing too? What do you expect him to come back and job to Cena or Edge? Get real brother, Hogan WAS and IS a fucking ICON. I hate the son of a bitch, he is liar and revisionist but he is Hulk Hogan. What do you want him to come back and job out to Shelton Benjamin and ruin his kayfabe legacy like Ric Flair has? Get real.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

If Hogan is physically capable of truly putting someone over, and the right wrestler comes along, he should do it. It's called doing what's right for business.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

If Hogan is physically capable of truly putting someone over, and the right wrestler comes along, he should do it. It's called doing what's right for business.

 

Personally, I think Vince is foolish for even bringing Hogan back over and over again with his past history. At this point he either doesn't care or he probably can't remember how to tie his shoes either.

[jester 0]

The only reason to bring back Hogan is if they can somehow make Austin vs. Hogan happen. I think everyone wants to see this match, even smarks (even if they are only interested the huge avalanche of politicking it would create).

 

Otherwise, Hogan's only other use is burying people. And since there are other people on the roster that can do that, it doesn't really count.

[TheInsane 0]

One of the more shocking moments for me was Brock Lesnar destroying Hulk Hogan in their SD match. He won with a bear hug if I remember correctly. Sure it was meant to build to a rematch but it never happened and it was all positive for Brock I think.

[Ultra Violence 0]

What would be the use in putting over two non wrestlers?

 

Cause they are the only two dudes worth him jobbing too? What do you expect him to come back and job to Cena or Edge? Get real brother, Hogan WAS and IS a fucking ICON. I hate the son of a bitch, he is liar and revisionist but he is Hulk Hogan. What do you want him to come back and job out to Shelton Benjamin and ruin his kayfabe legacy like Ric Flair has? Get real.

 

The thing is DRH they aren't. They are never going to wrestle again. Rock is making movies, Austin's neck is fucked. Putting them over using Hogan's legacy is fucking pointless, both men's careers have already been made. Job Hogan to Punk, Joe or even Harry Smith where it will actually mean something and propel them to the top. Furthermore if Hogan's legacy is so legendary then one squash / put over isn't going to ruin that, especially since he's clearly no longer a legitimate threat.

[FroGG_NeaL 0]

One of the more shocking moments for me was Brock Lesnar destroying Hulk Hogan in their SD match. He won with a bear hug if I remember correctly. Sure it was meant to build to a rematch but it never happened and it was all positive for Brock I think.

 

Yeah, he put him in a Bear Hug, started slingin' him around, and took him down, all with the bear hug applied, then kept it on until Hogan 'passed out'.

 

I think Hogan was busted open, and maybe bleeding from the mouth. Everybody I know that still watched at the time were talking about that.

 

Michael Cole started calling it the Brock Lock.

[death_by_burrito 0]

Didn't Brock start using another move called the Brock Lock? I'd never seen that move used, so I remember him using it (against Benoit in particular, cause it looked badass and Benoit sold it like crazy), but I don't know if anyone else has used that move or what it is really called or anything.

[TheInsane 0]

One of the more shocking moments for me was Brock Lesnar destroying Hulk Hogan in their SD match. He won with a bear hug if I remember correctly. Sure it was meant to build to a rematch but it never happened and it was all positive for Brock I think.

 

Yeah, he put him in a Bear Hug, started slingin' him around, and took him down, all with the bear hug applied, then kept it on until Hogan 'passed out'.

 

I think Hogan was busted open, and maybe bleeding from the mouth. Everybody I know that still watched at the time were talking about that.

 

Michael Cole started calling it the Brock Lock.

 

The way things turned out with Hogan leaving WWE after that match it was a major victory for a still fresh Brock Lesnar. A guy who was just building himself a name.

[FroGG_NeaL 0]

Brock was the man. He got video game covers in his second year there.

He could have been the first Main Eventer of a new generation. The one that everyone had put over, and could lead shit. He couldn't handle it, so We Got John Cena as that guy now.

 

Cena's push would be a lot different if Brock stuck around.

 

And yeah, he used a less vicious looking version of it on a few people, and on Benoit like you said. And he did sell it like death.

See, everybody put the dude over.

[Guest slmon]

"If Hogan is physically capable of truly putting someone over, and the right wrestler comes along, he should do it. It's called doing what's right for business."

 

Agreed, but I get why he hasn't as the other top stars don't elevate others either. Triple H will only elevate his personal friends (Batista, Orton and he took that one back), HBK hasn't elevated anyone that I can remember (losing one match to Edge unclean doesn't count, nor does giving Shelton respect alone) and UT wouldn't lose his series with Orton last year. I see two levels of main eventers emerging - one level being the above-mentioned guys and the other being guys like Cena and Edge. It will be up to these two to elevate upper mid-carders in the future, as the very top of the card pretty much refuses to do it.

[haws bah gawd 0]

The ultimate put over as far as the Undertaker is concerned would definitely be at a Wrestlemania, as others have said. However, the best possible rub off from this would be to not only beat Taker at Mania, but for someone do the unthinkable and make him tap out, clean, in the middle of the ring. I know this pretty much happened in a match with Angle a few years back (Taker, while in his Biker gimmick, pinned Angle, but tapped out at the same time), but its not acknowledged by WWE. A pinfall would be more than enough to put someone over huge, but can you imagine the credibility as a legitimate threat it would be for someone to be able to say they made Taker tap out?

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

If you want ultimate, have someone knock Taker out like Lesnar did all those jobbers when he first debuted.