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The OaO Raw Thread 12/18/2006

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Is it horrible that I don't mind when K-Fed is on my TV on a wrestling show?

 

 

If you took your tolerance for WWE and moved it to drugs, you could ingest heroin like it was oxygen.

 

:lol:

 

 

The sooner you accept it, the sooner you can begin to recover. Whenever you have a craving to enjoy a DX skit or anything Michael Cole says, just call your sponsor and talk it over until those feelings go away.

Wrestling needs a 12 Step Program.

 

 

 

"Hi, my name is Downhome. I used to have pro-WWE thoughts every single day. I thought their skits were funny, the writing was superb, and it was the best on-screen acting since the film Memento. It is my pleasure to say that I haven't said a kind word about Vince McMahon or his company in sixty days. Without Tedious Nepotism Anonymous, I would have never seen the light. So all I can say is thanks, TNA. Thanks."

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That was a hell of a closing segment. They really paid off Trips recently getting the sledge from under the ring and making the big save by destroying Edge's chair, plus the bloody chair was a nice visual. Made me cringe each time I heard the thud and drew me in.

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Overall a decent Raw. It was brought down by the Cryme Tyme skit and the 1,000 replays of the final minutes of the battle royal. The ending made the show though. JR and Lawler sold the ending very well by not saying anything at all.

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I do wounder what the actual Prez keeps in his wallet. Don't know why they'd actually need to carry stuff like ID and cash/credit cards around.

 

I'd ask for two forms of ID if he came into my bank...

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Not a bad show, but it certainly didn't need to be 3 hours. When you have one guy working 3 different matches, there's way too much time to kill. There was lots of filler too, but that's to be expected. The plus side was the DX/R-RKO storyline being advanced with 2 weeks worth of material. Every other NYR program got build too, but it would be inexcusable if they didn't.

 

The BR was what you'd expect. Lots of nothing until Edge did the good heel finish.

 

Looks like Carlito vs. Masters at NYR. Meh. At least there was no Torrie involved. I know it probably wasn't in the script, but Carlito should NOT have no-sold that hard-way blood. That was the same amount of blood WWE wrestlers give when they want to put over serious head trauma.

 

The Hardys vs. Nitro/WGTT match was disappointingly dull. I appreciate the Hardys selling injuries, but that dragged the match down when they couldn't show much fire. And the heel team saved all their cool offense until the match was over leaving the heat segments to be filled with lots of puching, kicking, and restholds.

 

Is that Russian guy supposed to be a new wrestler? I didn't get that vibe, but why was he there and talking in Russian? The fans shit on him too, probably because they couldn't understand anything he said past "Double Double E."

 

The Stallone interview was well done. Put over both parties and wasn't terribly boring. Nothing wrong there.

 

The Cena/Edge match was great, possibly their best match together. I loved seeing Cena going back to the 2003 offense with the Throwback, top-rope leg drop, and even pulling out a couple new moves. There were some good sequences in this to mix it up from their previous encounters. The finish was kinda bad, but it was a story advancer. Worst part was Edge having to do the "Booker T sell" for the Pedigree.

 

The women's match was better than I thought it would be. Hopefully they improve on it at NYR.

 

When Cryme Tyme came out and started talking about TWGTT, I was happy. I thought they were finally going to give these guys some depth and help set up their NYR match. Unfortunately, it quickly degenerated into a terrible, and I mean terrible, comedy skit rivaling some of DX's summer antics. The crowd was into CT initially, but that skit killed 'em.

 

The 6-man ME did what it was supposed to do. I liked Edge and Orton having to stay away from Umaga while Estrada had to keep him under control. Umaga and Cena do another wild brawl to put over their match, but hopefully they stopped fighting by the time the DQ was called. Edge and Orton put a good beatdown on DX and finally got to look legit against them. Edge baseball sliding HHH as he went for the sledge hammer was a good spot I didn't see coming. The Conchairtos looked good and HHH did a nice sell. Then to make things even better, there was Dean Malenko sighting. Good way to end the show, that oddly had lots of heels going over.

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Edge is over. Not Cena.

 

You're clueless. You don't draw the biggest ratings, sell the biggest merch totals, generate the loudest reactions except in northeast and hardcore cities where other former players in Cena's place struggle if you're not over.

 

Edge is also over. Overness isn't limited to one person. Pops don't determine your overness. Undertaker gets big pops but he isn't a draw and you couldn't put a promotion behind him. You can do this with Cena.

 

The thing is, Cena is the most pushed on the show so the love from the kids/women/casual fan should be automatic. Those kinds of fans are the easiest to get over with because they basically follow whatever FACE is in the main event regardless of who it is. Cena's failure is the lack of ability to appeal to anyone besides the bread & butter uber-face fan base. And yes, sure Cena makes money, because quite frankly it isn't hard to get kids to want to buy your merchandise when you have WWE Marketing behind your super push. The thing is, you could put a lot of guys in Cena's current spot and they would make just as much money, but instead they would also put on good wrestling matches. There is nothing special about Cena that justifies why he needs to be the #1 face in the company. It's funny because his old gimmick was "The Prototype" and he basically is the Prototype for what Vince wants as his champion when someone else that makes a shitload of money, isn't there to make Vince backoff.

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That was actually a pretty nice looking hit.

 

And it's ABOUT TIME, someone just beat the fuck out of Triple H.

Amen brotha.

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So, anyone have a list of all 30 people that were in the battle royal?

 

I missed the first 20 mins of Raw due to forgetfullness.

 

Edge

Orton

HHH

HBK

Kenny

Flair

Cade

Murdoch

Haas

Benjamin

Masters

Nitro

Viscera

Eugene

Hacksaw

King

Slaughter

Johnny

JTG

Shad

Robbie

Rory

Val Venis

Conway

Carlito

Ron Simmons

Jeff Hardy

Super Crazy

Snitsky

 

That's 29...was Matt in it?

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So, anyone have a list of all 30 people that were in the battle royal?

 

I missed the first 20 mins of Raw due to forgetfullness.

 

1. Randy Orton

2. Edge

3. Triple H

4. Shawn Michaels

5. JTG

6. Big Shad

7. Robbie McAllister

8. Rory McAllister

9. Ric Flair

10. Carlito

11. Chris Masters

12. Kenny Dykstra

13. Johnny Jeter

14. Eugene

15. Jim Duggan

16. Jerry Lawler

17. Charlie Haas

18. Shelton Benjamin

19. Trevor Murdoch

20. Lance Cade

21. Viscera

22. Val Venis

23. Sgt. Slaughter

24. Ron Simmons

25. Super Crazy

26. Johnny Nitro

27. Jeff Hardy

28. Gene Snitsky

29. Brooklyn Brawler

30. ???????

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So, anyone have a list of all 30 people that were in the battle royal?

 

I missed the first 20 mins of Raw due to forgetfullness.

 

Edge

Orton

HHH

HBK

Kenny

Flair

Cade

Murdoch

Haas

Benjamin

Masters

Nitro

Viscera

Eugene

Hacksaw

King

Slaughter

Johnny

JTG

Shad

Robbie

Rory

Val Venis

Conway

Carlito

Ron Simmons

Jeff Hardy

Super Crazy

Snitsky

 

That's 29...was Matt in it?

 

 

lol,

 

I missed Conway and the one you missed was Brooklyn Brawler

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Does Conway have different hair from his last Raw appearances, looking similar to how he did in La Resistance, or was I confused with Johnny? I didn't even realize he was in there until it was mentioned here.

 

As someone who, when hearing about Ken Doane in OVW, assumed he was related to Jack Doan somehow, I see the reason for the name change and approve it. They even made a clear point of saying "Jack Doan, referee for this contest" on commentary as if to point out to people who would ask about the name change that there was a valid reason.

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I enjoyed the beatdown to close the show. Edge was really intense. Cena/Edge was decent(great crowd reaction). The rest of the show was a waste of the extra time. Raw can't even be good with three hours, while Smackdown manages to be great with less than two hours. Having said that, this week's Raw was better than usual.

 

Cryme Tyme needs some ring-time instead of these stupid segments.

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