Toxxic 0 Report post Posted July 26, 2007 Because I never truly believed they'd actually let Benoit win the title. Let alone over Triple H, by a clean tapout, at Mania. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheFranchise 0 Report post Posted July 27, 2007 Benoit over Michaels and HHH shocked the shit out of me, I can tell you. How was that shocking when they built to it for 3+ months? Booker vs HHH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted July 27, 2007 Benoit over Michaels and HHH shocked the shit out of me, I can tell you. How was that shocking when they built to it for 3+ months? Because Shawn Michaels was added to the match and I figured Benoit would get screwed over AGAIN just so they could give him the title at Backlash instead since it was in his hometown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheFranchise 0 Report post Posted July 27, 2007 At the time, I just thought they'd put Michaels in to take the pinfall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Superfly Snuka 0 Report post Posted July 27, 2007 Benoit over Michaels and HHH shocked the shit out of me, I can tell you. How was that shocking when they built to it for 3+ months? Booker vs HHH. I agree. Pretty shocking that they had the "racist" antagonist go over in the "racist" angle...cleanly. Even if it was HHH and all. I guess white people are inherently better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted July 27, 2007 The Fingerpoke of Doom was actually something I remember reading about nearly a month ahead of time on the old Scoops Wrestling site (a few weeks before Starrcade 98). At the time I simply dismissed it, feeling that no one could possibly be stupid enough to do something like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mysterious_w 0 Report post Posted July 27, 2007 Wait I thought Nitro was live? You mean that this idea got leaked and they still went through with it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted July 27, 2007 With regards to Booker v. HHH, it was being reported for weeks beforehand that HHH would go over because they wanted to keep him strong for a title program with the recently signed Goldberg. With Benoit, Meltzer was reporting in December of 2003 that he would win the Rumble, switch brands, get the title at Mania and feud with HHH through 2004 a la Steamboat/Flair and their 89 series. I just don't see how you guys could be surprised by a match finish when it was given away months beforehand. They do change their minds a lot, but when it comes to Mania this stuff is usually set up for months. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haws bah gawd 0 Report post Posted July 27, 2007 WWE had me fooled with the Jeff Hardy vs Undertaker Ladder Match from Raw in 2002. Also, while I kind of had a feeling that Stevie would win this past week (taking into account the surprising amount of offense he was getting-in on Thorn), I was still happy to see Stevie finally get a televised win. I was in attendance and saw him win the dark match against Rene Dupree at December to Dismember, but I honestly cant remember the last time he got a win on TV. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted July 27, 2007 Re: Hunter going over Booker. Booker was originally going to win the match, but when they signed Goldberg and penciled in his title win over Hunter for Bad Blood, Hunter argued against a short-term title change and they changed the finish to Hunter going over instead. At that point, the racial overtones of the storyline were dropped. Of course, Goldberg had to wait three more months for his title win when Hunter then decided he wanted to keep his feud with his good friend Kevin Nash going. The only match finish in recent years that raised eyebrows with me was Angle making Hogan tap out. Angle winning wasn't a surprise, but that Hogan actually taped out clean was. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toxxic 0 Report post Posted July 27, 2007 With regards to Booker v. HHH, it was being reported for weeks beforehand that HHH would go over because they wanted to keep him strong for a title program with the recently signed Goldberg. With Benoit, Meltzer was reporting in December of 2003 that he would win the Rumble, switch brands, get the title at Mania and feud with HHH through 2004 a la Steamboat/Flair and their 89 series. I just don't see how you guys could be surprised by a match finish when it was given away months beforehand. They do change their minds a lot, but when it comes to Mania this stuff is usually set up for months. I wasn't paying any real attention to Meltzer or spoilers at the time, I was just watching the product. I had no knowledge of what was meant to happen, but I had a nasty sinking feeling that Benoit was going to lose again (or at least not win, maybe I thought he was going to be the odd man out of the finish, I don't recall). Either way, I was very, VERY surprised when he made Triple H tap out clean. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted July 29, 2007 I agree. Pretty shocking that they had the "racist" antagonist go over in the "racist" angle...cleanly. Even if it was HHH and all. I guess white people are inherently better. It wasn't clean though. Booker had the match won with the Harlem Hangover (kudos to HHH though for taking the move, it looked sick in my eyes), but Flair cheated on HHH's behalf by putting Hunter's foot on the rope, saving him from losing the title. With regards to Booker v. HHH, it was being reported for weeks beforehand that HHH would go over because they wanted to keep him strong for a title program with the recently signed Goldberg. With Benoit, Meltzer was reporting in December of 2003 that he would win the Rumble, switch brands, get the title at Mania and feud with HHH through 2004 a la Steamboat/Flair and their 89 series. I just don't see how you guys could be surprised by a match finish when it was given away months beforehand. They do change their minds a lot, but when it comes to Mania this stuff is usually set up for months. Not all of us read the WON. Also, while I kind of had a feeling that Stevie would win this past week (taking into account the surprising amount of offense he was getting-in on Thorn), I was still happy to see Stevie finally get a televised win. I was in attendance and saw him win the dark match against Rene Dupree at December to Dismember, but I honestly cant remember the last time he got a win on TV. I've never watched an ECW show since the brand was brought back so I don't know about the past year, but the last time I remember seeing Stevie win a match was the main event of the final RAW before WM XX. He defeated Chris Jericho courtesy of Christian distracting from the ramp. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Epic Reine 0 Report post Posted July 29, 2007 Stevie beat Balls Mahoney on an early episode of ECW when Kevin Thorne interfered. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Cucaracha 0 Report post Posted July 29, 2007 With Benoit, Meltzer was reporting in December of 2003 that he would win the Rumble, switch brands, get the title at Mania and feud with HHH through 2004 a la Steamboat/Flair and their 89 series. I just don't see how you guys could be surprised by a match finish when it was given away months beforehand. They do change their minds a lot, but when it comes to Mania this stuff is usually set up for months Meltzer also said it'd be a ladder match. What's your point? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Amazing Rando 0 Report post Posted July 29, 2007 Wait I thought Nitro was live? You mean that this idea got leaked and they still went through with it? It was. It was the same night as Foley's first title win. And if you think that it's stupid that the idea got leaked and they still did it...well, it *was* WCW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SamoaRowe 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2007 I was surprised twice last night. 1) When Kennedy pinned Lashley. 2) When Carlito pinned Cena. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jericholic82 0 Report post Posted August 3, 2007 With regards to Booker v. HHH, it was being reported for weeks beforehand that HHH would go over because they wanted to keep him strong for a title program with the recently signed Goldberg. With Benoit, Meltzer was reporting in December of 2003 that he would win the Rumble, switch brands, get the title at Mania and feud with HHH through 2004 a la Steamboat/Flair and their 89 series. I just don't see how you guys could be surprised by a match finish when it was given away months beforehand. They do change their minds a lot, but when it comes to Mania this stuff is usually set up for months. yea we all heard about benoit's supposed change to raw, but the way he switche dbrands wasnt clear, most online were assuming that he would win and heyman would trade him to raw for goldberg (since Berg was set to feud with brock at mania and at the time Goldberg and Brock leaving wasnt though , at least not Brock) another one, When Kurt Angle beat Lesnar on SD prior to Mania by using his bro Eric to pull the old switcheroo. At the time we had just heard about Angles neck injury and I assumed the reason for the SD match was to change the title and let Angle get surgery and build up an opponent for brock at mania (Benoit was who I thought would fit in there) I didn't read the spoilers so I was shocked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RepoMan 0 Report post Posted August 3, 2007 I was surprised twice last night. 1) When Kennedy pinned Lashley. 2) When Carlito pinned Cena. 1. I didn't know what to expect heading into that match. I know WWE loves Lashley, but Kennedy really needed a win to be remotly credible. I thought it was 50-50. 2. That suprised the hell out of me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted August 7, 2007 Not a finish, but Maven eliminating the Undertaker from the '02 Rumble. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haws bah gawd 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2007 I have another one. How about the out of nowhere title victory of Mankind over Stone Cold at Summerslam 99? HHH Pedigree'd Stone Cold, then Mankind knocked HHH out of the ring, gave Austin a basic double-underhook DDT and got the (IMO) anticlamatic 3-count. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edgehead69 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2007 I have another one. How about the out of nowhere title victory of Mankind over Stone Cold at Summerslam 99? HHH Pedigree'd Stone Cold, then Mankind knocked HHH out of the ring, gave Austin a basic double-underhook DDT and got the (IMO) anticlamatic 3-count. Yeah that was an odd finish because a signature move, not a finishing move took out austin.. same with batista/Eddie and Benoit/MVP Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dobbs 3K 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2007 Yeah that was an odd finish because a signature move, not a finishing move took out austin.. same with batista/Eddie and Benoit/MVP That's kind of nice though...it shouldn't always be the finishing move that ends a match. Sometimes any big move or submission should be enough, or what's the point? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edgehead69 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2007 Yeah that was an odd finish because a signature move, not a finishing move took out austin.. same with batista/Eddie and Benoit/MVP That's kind of nice though...it shouldn't always be the finishing move that ends a match. Sometimes any big move or submission should be enough, or what's the point? I know what you mean but it leaves a sort of... "Huh?, Its over?" It is a fresh change of pace but it makes it seem like the match couldve gone longer... thats how i felt for Batista vs Eddie, Benoit vs MVP, and Rey Mysterio vs Kurt Angle vs Randy Orton. Rollups are nice and then some... just changeups are always good and hell even stealing thefinisher (Im a BIG Mark for that!) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites