alfdogg 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2007 Sun, Dec. 16 Golden State @ Detroit, 12:30 Boston @ Toronto, 1:00 Portland @ Denver, 8:00 LA Clippers @ LA Lakers, 9:30 Mon, Dec. 17 Utah @ Atlanta, 7:00 Milwaukee @ Cleveland, 7:00 Indiana @ New York, 7:30 Minnesota @ Miami, 7:30 Golden State @ Memphis, 8:00 Orlando @ Dallas, 8:30 Phoenix @ San Antonio, 8:30 New Orleans @ Portland, 10:00 Tue, Dec. 18 Sacramento @ New Jersey, 7:30 LA Lakers @ Chicago, 8:30 Toronto @ LA Clippers, 10:30 Wed, Dec. 19 Chicago @ Washington, 7:00 Utah @ Charlotte, 7:00 Miami @ Atlanta, 7:00 Philadelphia @ Indiana, 7:00 Detroit @ Boston, 7:00 ESPN Cleveland @ New York, 7:30 Sacramento @ Milwaukee, 8:00 San Antonio @ Memphis, 8:00 Golden State @ Minnesota, 8:00 Orlando @ Houston, 8:30 Phoenix @ Dallas, 9:30 ESPN Toronto @ Portland, 10:00 New Orleans @ Seattle, 10:00 Thu, Dec. 20 New Jersey @ Miami, 7:30 LA Lakers @ Cleveland, 8:00 TNT Houston @ Denver, 10:30 TNT Fri, Dec. 21 Chicago @ Boston, 7:00 ESPN LA Lakers @ Philadelphia, 7:00 Atlanta @ Washington, 7:00 New York @ Charlotte, 7:00 Utah @ Orlando, 7:00 Memphis @ Detroit, 8:00 Indiana @ Minnesota, 8:00 LA Clippers @ Dallas, 9:30 ESPN Denver @ Portland, 10:00 Toronto @ Seattle, 10:30 Sat, Dec. 22 Washington @ Indiana, 7:00 Golden State @ New Jersey, 7:30 Utah @ Miami, 7:30 Philadelphia @ Memphis, 8:00 Minnesota @ New Orleans, 8:00 Houston @ Chicago, 8:30 Charlotte @ Milwaukee, 8:30 LA Clippers @ San Antonio, 8:30 Toronto @ Phoenix, 9:00 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rendclaw 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2007 I haven't checked the current Piston game, but the game against the Celtics should be one of the best of the year. I think that Boston's Big Three are goig to get canceled out by Detroit's Big Three, and its going to come down to whose bench steps up that night. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maztinho 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2007 Dear Jazz, PLZ win this week. Kthxbye, Massito Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted December 17, 2007 I have the biggest man-crush (heterosexual, of course) on Andrew Bynum. I couldn't have imagined that when he was drafted he'd turn out to be this good by year 3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted December 17, 2007 Seven straight wins for the Blazers now with their victory over Denver, which brings them to .500. They get New Orleans tomorrow at home, though. They've beaten Memphis, Miami, Milwaukee, Utah, Golden State, Utah again, and then Denver in the streak. Not a bad run for them, I have to say, and the wins against divisional opponents have been pretty nice to have. Now I just have to hope they keep it up so my whole "They'll win the Northwest next year!" prediction back in June or July doesn't make me look like a total dumbass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2007 Sheldon Williams was carjacked the other day after getting a haircut. He was somehow blamed for this by the local talking heads. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. S£im Citrus 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2007 Well, given that he's marrying way above his weight class, I guess some equal and opposite bad karma was overdue... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2007 That I would have to agree with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maztinho 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2007 Sheldon Williams was carjacked the other day after getting a haircut. He was somehow blamed for this by the local talking heads. What kind of haircut? Was it urban? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2007 Apparently he should have a private barber because going to a barber shop in the middle of the day means you are trying to draw attention to yourself. Between this and the Jamal Tinsley story, and other stories concerning athletes, I have come to realize that the only acceptable thing for athletes to do is to buy their clothes at the thrift store, drive a pinto, and never buy anything, because if you do, you are just asking to get robbed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2007 Wow, the Pacers are over .500. It only took them like eight tries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2007 The Hawks are at .500 Lets see if they can get over it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2007 The Knicks are 10 games under .500. It took them 24 games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. S£im Citrus 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2007 The Blazers are above .500... without Oden, no less. If that guy's any good... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2007 The only problem that is going to hit Portland in a few years. Brandon Roy, Lamarcus Aldridge and Greg Oden all are going to be max contract candidates(if Aldridge can stay healthy). Martell Webster is a 4-5 mill a year guy, they are going to have to pay their point guards something... Roy and Aldridge will sign their extensions in the same year and then the next year they are going to have to resign Oden. I don't know if they will be able to afford to keep the team so competitive. But they are are very fun to watch now and will be for the next 3 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2007 The only problem that is going to hit Portland in a few years. Brandon Roy, Lamarcus Aldridge and Greg Oden all are going to be max contract candidates(if Aldridge can stay healthy). Martell Webster is a 4-5 mill a year guy, they are going to have to pay their point guards something... Roy and Aldridge will sign their extensions in the same year and then the next year they are going to have to resign Oden. I don't know if they will be able to afford to keep the team so competitive. But they are are very fun to watch now and will be for the next 3 years. Paul Allen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2007 Oh....yeah. Nevermind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gert T 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2007 Just got done watching the Raptors-Clips game I have to ask, how good can this Raptors team be when everyone is healthy? I know that they are basically locked into the 3 or 4 slot with Boston in their division, but do you think they could make a run to the ECF when (if) everyone is healthy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted December 19, 2007 Doubt it. They're good, but they can't outscore the top teams out there. You can't beat Detroit, Orlando or Boston unless you have serious firepower. They have an easy schedule, so I can't take any numbers they put up seriously. That goes both ways, if their guys are scoring low...well, look who they're playing. They shouldn't have to score that much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2007 They aren't going to get healthy this year though. Bargnani is going to play himself back into shape, sure, and TJ will be back, but then you are looking at the same teams as last year with jason kapano and Jarmario Moon. They can make second round of the playoffs, but I don't see them beating any of the the Boston/Orlando/Detroit group in that round...If Orlando doesn't cough up their season again that is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naiwf 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2007 http://www.nba.com/features/player_rankings.html http://www.nba.com/heritageweek2007/player_rankings6162.html I was just looking at the NBA website and came across those pages. Look at some of the stats guys were putting up back then in the second link, and it's mindboggling when compared to the numbers today's guys put up. For example, the guy who is ranking the MVP candidates says Dwight Howard is "putting up Wilt Chamberlain numbers" at 23.6 PPG & 15.3 RPG, but Wilt was putting up 48.0 PPG & 26.5 RPG which is almost double Dwight's production. 48 points in a game once is a big deal, and I can probably count the total number of 26 rebound games in an entire NBA season on one hand but that was an "average" game for Wilt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2007 I don't think it's as absurd of a comparison as many would say. Howard's still got a lot of improvement to do offensively, but Wilt's numbers were average in the 60's, when there were no other players as big and as physically gifted. I'm certainly not saying he wouldn't be a great player in today's game, because I still think he could average 30+ points, but I think the rebounding numbers would be about on par with Howard's. Which even still, 30/15 averages is mind-blowing for any generation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naiwf 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2007 I wasn't trying to say that Howard wasn't putting up monster numbers because he is as far as a modern big man can, but looking at some of the stats guys were putting up in '61-'62 like The Big O's triple double per game, Russell with a 20-20 per game, Elgin Baylor averaging close to a 40-20, West and Guerin with better than 27-6-6, Pettit's 31-19 and a rookie Walt Bellamy's 28-18 it's just kind of staggering to see how many guys were putting up totals that could never happen now. I understand that everyone playing now is bigger, faster and stronger, but it's still hard to believe that to approximate Oscar Robertson today you would need AI's scoring prowess mixed with Kidd's rebounding and passing skills and those are two of the best guards of the last 20 years. Granted, Roberston would never average the same numbers in the modern game but I have a hard time thinking that Kidd or AI would put up 30-13-12 every night back in the '60s. Even though I'm pretty sure that guys like LeBron, Howard, Kobe and KG would be beasts back then just because their size and athletic ability would be unmatched, I still don't know about averaging a triple double or 30-20. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2007 NEW YORK -- New York Knicks fans angry over the team's losing streak rallied outside Madison Square Garden on Wednesday, holding aloft a giant pink slip and calling on management to fire coach Isiah Thomas. Chanting "Fire Isiah! He's got to go! Goodbye!" two dozen irate fans signed the 8-by-4-foot pink placard urging Garden chief executive James Dolan to dump the coach, whose team is 7-17 going into Wednesday night's game with Cleveland. Among the protesters was noted civil rights lawyer and longtime Knicks fan Norman Siegel, who criticized Knicks management for ordering a fan with a "Fire Isiah" sign to leave his seat at a game Monday night. "The Knicks are trampling on what New York is all about -- we're outspoken and we're zany at times," said Siegel. "But principles and values of free speech should be adopted. The Garden should rethink its policy." Thomas has been hounded by bad publicity and calls from fans to quit since October, when fired team executive Anucha Browne Sanders won a sexual harassment lawsuit against the coach and the Garden. Just before the case was to return to court to decide compensatory damages, the lawsuit was settled for $11.5 million. More calls for Thomas to step down were expected at Wednesday's game, with unhappy fans getting some help from one of the city's tabloids. The Daily News printed a large block letter sign in Wednesday's editions reading "FIRE ISIAH," saying it was meant to be held up during the "next Knicks blowout." Toward the end of Monday's 119-92 loss to the Indiana Pacers, a disgruntled fan raised a "Fire Isiah" sign and was ordered to leave his seat by a Garden security guard. After the images were captured by news photographers and published in Tuesday's papers, the fan, Jason Silverstein, came forward to identify himself. "The guy is killing our team," the 23-year-old Manhattan real estate agent told The New York Times. "How many 25-point beatings can we take?" At Wednesday's rally, signs read "Dump Isiah" and "Restore Knicks Pride." Thomas "is completely inept, he's a disaster," said protester Scott Francies. "He picked the players. And now, he's blaming them and destroying them. ... What kind of a person is this to represent this glorious city?" The team has endured a barrage of bad publicity since October, when a jury ruled in favor of Browne Sanders in her sexual harassment lawsuit. The three-week trial was rife with accounts of crude language and sexual escapades behind the scenes of a storied franchise. The verdict spared Thomas himself from paying any damages, but amounted to another blemish on the resume of a two-time NBA champion whose post-playing career has been marked by one failure after another. The Knicks haven't won a playoff game since Thomas joined the team in 2003, and the franchise has wasted millions of dollars this decade on a series of free-agent busts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2007 I wasn't trying to say that Howard wasn't putting up monster numbers because he is as far as a modern big man can, but looking at some of the stats guys were putting up in '61-'62 like The Big O's triple double per game, Russell with a 20-20 per game, Elgin Baylor averaging close to a 40-20, West and Guerin with better than 27-6-6, Pettit's 31-19 and a rookie Walt Bellamy's 28-18 it's just kind of staggering to see how many guys were putting up totals that could never happen now. I understand that everyone playing now is bigger, faster and stronger, but it's still hard to believe that to approximate Oscar Robertson today you would need AI's scoring prowess mixed with Kidd's rebounding and passing skills and those are two of the best guards of the last 20 years. Granted, Roberston would never average the same numbers in the modern game but I have a hard time thinking that Kidd or AI would put up 30-13-12 every night back in the '60s. Even though I'm pretty sure that guys like LeBron, Howard, Kobe and KG would be beasts back then just because their size and athletic ability would be unmatched, I still don't know about averaging a triple double or 30-20. It's not just the size and athleticism of today's players, it's the entire style of the game. You can't really compare numbers from that era to today. It's like looking at the Dead Ball era in baseball compared to the Steroids era. Things just don't look right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2007 I wasn't trying to say that Howard wasn't putting up monster numbers because he is as far as a modern big man can, but looking at some of the stats guys were putting up in '61-'62 like The Big O's triple double per game, Russell with a 20-20 per game, Elgin Baylor averaging close to a 40-20, West and Guerin with better than 27-6-6, Pettit's 31-19 and a rookie Walt Bellamy's 28-18 it's just kind of staggering to see how many guys were putting up totals that could never happen now. I understand that everyone playing now is bigger, faster and stronger, but it's still hard to believe that to approximate Oscar Robertson today you would need AI's scoring prowess mixed with Kidd's rebounding and passing skills and those are two of the best guards of the last 20 years. Granted, Roberston would never average the same numbers in the modern game but I have a hard time thinking that Kidd or AI would put up 30-13-12 every night back in the '60s. Even though I'm pretty sure that guys like LeBron, Howard, Kobe and KG would be beasts back then just because their size and athletic ability would be unmatched, I still don't know about averaging a triple double or 30-20. Big misconception. They played alot faster back then. They were shooting the ball alot more times per game. Guys like AI or Kobe, if they had the conditioning, would average at least 10-25 more points per game in the 60's. 60's rebounding numbers aren't going to be matched because they aren't putting the ball up the way they were back then, and if you saw a older game, rebound battles were basically between one or two players. Everyone else got out and ran and they defense got out and ran with them. So most rebounds would be, say, Wilt vs Russell while everyone else just left it to them. Now don't get me wrong, Wilt would have been able to average 40 in the NBA today because he had 2-3 completely unstoppable shots, and was strong as a ox. Oscar Robinson, taking into account that he would have learned to dribble with his other hand, would have been putting up great numbers, might have been an even better scorer, just as many assist, but his rebounds would have gone down. But seriously, a score of 133-128 wasn't a odd score back then. That would happen nearly all the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2007 So, apparently, ESPN games aren't allowed on League Pass in Canada either. And since I can't get ESPN, I'm shut out of the marquee matchups like Pistons/Celtics and Suns/Mavs. That's just brilliant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RepoMan 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2007 The Cavs are on there way to losing at Madison Square Garden again. It seems they always manage to play down to to there competition at MSG. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cartman 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2007 This is some ridiculous ending in Boston right now. Ray Allen is unbelievable right now. This game has totally lived up to the hype it's gotten all week. I'm in awe! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2007 Well, this should do it, unless the Celtics signed David Lee and I wasn't aware of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
