TheOriginalOrangeGoblin 0 Report post Posted May 14, 2008 Dammit, my picks keep getting stolen right before I take them. I had Bobby Jones lined up as my starting SF which would've given me one of the best defenses imagineable. Ah well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naiwf 0 Report post Posted May 14, 2008 I drafted Paul instead of KJ just because I think CP3 can get even better than he was this year. If we were going on careers instead of primes, I would have gone the other way. I was tempted by the Olajuwon posterizing but figured Paul would be able to make Kobe happier and could throw up a few hundred lobs to Howard the way he does to Tyson Chandler. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steviekick 0 Report post Posted May 14, 2008 Man....KJ, Riley and Amare were all on my shortlist for my next pick. Curses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jorge Gorgeous 0 Report post Posted May 14, 2008 Well that's sort of stupid. I mean, it's your draft, and I actually like the Paul pick based on this last year alone, but you thinking Paul is going to get better shouldn't make your team better. You can't say "YEAH, I MEAN HE WAS PRETTY GOODUNALL IN 08 BUT HE'LL PROLLY BE EVEN BETTER SOMEDAY!!!" and have it count for this thing. I could say "I'm expecting Darvin Ham to come out and average 35/9/6 next year, so, take that into account when I draft him" but I h'aint going to. I think Paul will get better too, I don't disagree with you, but let's leave projection out of this thing, eh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naiwf 0 Report post Posted May 14, 2008 Well that's sort of stupid. I mean, it's your draft, and I actually like the Paul pick based on this last year alone, but you thinking Paul is going to get better shouldn't make your team better. You can't say "YEAH, I MEAN HE WAS PRETTY GOODUNALL IN 08 BUT HE'LL PROLLY BE EVEN BETTER SOMEDAY!!!" and have it count for this thing. I could say "I'm expecting Darvin Ham to come out and average 35/9/6 next year, so, take that into account when I draft him" but I h'aint going to. I think Paul will get better too, I don't disagree with you, but let's leave projection out of this thing, eh? I didn't say that it would make my team better or that it should be factored in when evaluating my team. I simply said I picked him over KJ because their best seasons are about equal, but Paul's just coming into his prime and could get better. It was just my rationale for not picking a guy who put up monster numbers for 6-8 seasons in a row relative to a guy who has only been in the league 3 years and is probably just scratching the surface of his talent level. It's along the same lines of the Isiah/Stockton debate in this thread where the guy who selected Stockton did so (partly) because of his career numbers whereas the Isiah pick was made moreso due to what he did in his best year(s). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AboveAverage484 0 Report post Posted May 14, 2008 I've been picking based on a combination of a player's career and peak. I would personally take K.J. over Paul at this point because although Paul had a monster season last year, he needs to show that he can extend his peak to at least four years to match K.J.'s value, much like naiwf said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted May 14, 2008 I just need my point guard to go and feed my guys the ball. Although the point guard position is thin right now for a starting five, I'm surprised this HOFer, who was even mentioned twice in the first post as an example, is still around. If I could have this guy as player-coach, I totally would have, but I'm going for him as the starting point guard on my team since he was incredible in the assists category.. Lenny Wilkens, G If I had the option to do it, I probably would've named him player-coach. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted May 14, 2008 Doing my research for my small forward, I was amazed this guy was available: Billy Cunningham, SF Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cuban Linx 0 Report post Posted May 14, 2008 George Mikan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dandy 0 Report post Posted May 14, 2008 I can't believe no one has taken this one certain player yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AboveAverage484 0 Report post Posted May 14, 2008 Damn, Wilkens and Cunningham were two of my sleeper picks. Well, at least I've still got this guy, who was ahead of both on my draft sheet: HAL GREER "Consistency," Hal Greer once told the Philadelphia Daily News. "For me, that was the thing...I would like to be remembered as a great, consistent player." Over the course of the 15 NBA seasons turned in by the slight, soft-spoken Hall of Fame guard from West Virginia, consistency was indeed the thing. He turned in quality performances almost every night, scoring 19.2 points per game during his career, playing in 1,122 games, and racking up 21,586 points. He remained with the same franchise throughout his career, starting with Syracuse in 1958 and then moving with the Nationals when they became the Philadelphia 76ers in 1963. He was an All-Star for 10 straight seasons and a seven-time member of the All-NBA Second Team. He was also the second-leading scorer on Philadelphia's vaunted championship team of 1966-67. 7 All-NBA selections 10 All-Star games 21,586 career points (30th all-time) Named one of the NBA's 50 Greatest Players I really didn't want to move Iverson to point, but with this guy I might have to, although I think there are still some pretty choice points available that I could snag later. Pretty much the model of consistency, and that was before I even read the bio above. Dependable on both ends of the floor and a guy who was, aside from his first and last seasons, not susceptible to injury, or fatigue for that matter since he regularly logged over 3,000 minutes over the course of his fifteen year career. Solid all-around addition. Glad to see some of the old guard getting taken with the recent picks, as I think they were getting overlooked for more modern guys who may be more athletic but lacked the fundamental skills that a lot of the old school guys had. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted May 14, 2008 Good picks all around. I'm going to have to think this one through. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dandy 0 Report post Posted May 14, 2008 He also had 16th Street in Huntington named after him. It is now "Hal Greer Boulevard." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted May 14, 2008 I need a defensive PG who can hit an open shot, take care of the ball, and get others involved. This guy does all that and is super clutch, Mr. Big Shot: Chauncey Billups. * Gold Medal with Team USA, Tournament of Americas Olympic Qualifiers * 2004 NBA Finals MVP * 2004-05 NBA All-Defense Second Team * 2006, 2007, 2008 NBA All-Star * 2005-06 All-NBA Second Team * 2005-06 NBA All-Defense Second Team * 2006-07 All-NBA Third Team Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lt. Al Giardello 0 Report post Posted May 15, 2008 Doing my research for my small forward, I was amazed this guy was available: Billy Cunningham, SF Damn you! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted May 15, 2008 Good pick, CW. I'm having an increasingly difficult time picking new, current era players due to my bias that basketball today is by and large inferior to what it was from `75-`99, and all the players I would have taken are gone by now. But Chauncey is a guy that's really overlooked and crucial to Detroit's success and will probably be looked back on as one of the better guards from this era, which is surprising with Nash, CP3 and so on being around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted May 15, 2008 Thanks. Yeah it's tough to judge with all these different eras. You have to look at a combination of things including size (that's one of the reasons why I stayed away from the earlier years but there are some exceptions), shooting (the 3 point shot being introduced later on), and how valuable they were to their team. I chose Chauncey over another specific player cause of his defense, shooting, and he's just a floor general. Similar to your pick of Lenny Wilkens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted May 15, 2008 If we'd done this thing 10 years ago Damon Stoudamire, Tom Gugliotta and ? would be getting drafted ahead of hall of famers. That's basically my problem with drafting current players early. And aside from the no-brainers like Duncan and Kobe notice that it's the younger stars with upside like Paul, Amare and Howard who are getting drafted early, and not the guys who have reached their early 30's and are sort of yesterdays news because they've not quite lived up to all the hype they had when they were younger. I don't want to name names of undrafted players, but you can probably guess some of the guys I'm referring to. If this draft had been done 3 or 4 years ago there would have been a different batch of rising young stars picked early. Anyway, it's not that I think that some of those guys picked were bad choices, I just won't rate them as highly as comparable guys who've proved themselves over longer stretches of time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted May 15, 2008 I dunno people like Damon Stoudamire and Tom Gugliotta were never as good as Paul, Amare, and Howard. They never made All-NBA teams, All-Star games, etc. You have to take stuff like that into account. I'd compare them to like the Mike Millers and the Corey Maggettes of the world. Solid players but never at that level. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lt. Al Giardello 0 Report post Posted May 15, 2008 Stoudamire was a beast in Toronto during his 1st 2 years... almost averaging 20 PPG and 10 APG. Plus he won Rookie of the Year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted May 15, 2008 On a bad team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheOriginalOrangeGoblin 0 Report post Posted May 15, 2008 JESUS....Shuttlesworth that is... Ray Allen, SG All-NBA Second Team: 2005 All-NBA Third Team: 2001 8-time NBA All-Star: 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 NBA All-Rookie Second Team: 1997 NBA Joe Dumars NBA Sportsmanship Award: 2003 NBA All-Star Weekend Three-point Shootout champion: 2001 Holds NBA record for most three-point field goals made in a regular season with 269 in 2005-06[11] - Some may think I'm reaching a bit here but he is exactly what I need in my starting line-up. With Duncan and Thurmond controlling the paint, Archibald distributing the ball and driving to the rim and Drexler doing everything, Allen is a perfect complementary piece. He can spread the defense and keep them honest with his shooting while also being a guy who can take the last second 3 pointer in overtime when necessary. Additionally he, in his prime atleast, was a solid defender and a team player with great character which is what I've been going after in the early going. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gert T 0 Report post Posted May 15, 2008 Good pick Goblin, the only way I think he was a reach is that I would have picked him one pick later. My 5th pick: Alex English/F/Denver Nuggets 25,000 + pts. 8 time All-Star Led the league in scoring in 82-83 & 85-86 Playoff averages of 24.4-5.5-4.3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lt. Al Giardello 0 Report post Posted May 15, 2008 GOD DAMN YOU GERT! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted May 15, 2008 I guess this would be a good time to say that after the draft, I'd like all you guys to PM me your starting lineup, rotation, and a paragraph or two on what makes your team good and all that jazz. Afterwards I'll edit the info for each team into the first post of the thread, so everyone can get a glimpse of each team and their little story before making a vote. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steviekick 0 Report post Posted May 15, 2008 It's been over twelve hours since the last pick. May I make mine, or has Jorge sent his pick to anyone yet? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted May 15, 2008 I'd say go ahead. Had he sent someone his pick, I'm sure it would have gotten posted by now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steviekick 0 Report post Posted May 15, 2008 Red Auerbach - Coach NBA championships with Boston Celtics, 1957, 1959-66 Coached All-Star Game, 1957-67 NBA Coach of the Year, 1965 NBA Executive of the Year, 1980 The nine championship rings and being the namesake of the COTY helped, but there were many more reasons I chose him. He preached strong defensive rebounding teams, which gets Malone and Gilmore active, as well as getting out on the fastbreak, which benefits Dr. J and Adrian. He was a well respected player's coach who tried to work with and maintain open communication with all his players. That would really be helpful on a superstar team, keeping everyone in line with each other. There's a great quote I can't remember about him saying that the only stat that counts is the win column. He's also demanding, sticks up for his team, aggressive and wants to win. That's exactly the kind of person I would want leading my squad from the bench. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheOriginalOrangeGoblin 0 Report post Posted May 15, 2008 I was wondering how much longer ol' Red would last. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steviekick 0 Report post Posted May 15, 2008 I was wondering how much longer ol' Red would last. Yeah. I kind of lucked out, especially because player wise, I was having a hell of a time making a decision for this round. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites