Conspiracy_Victim 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2008 I can't believe I forgot it was on. I'm stoopid. Anyone know offhand when there will be a replay? The discussion got me hyped to see Brock again. Edit: Never mind, found it on my channel guide. Gotta think about if it's worth the cost when I can probably torrent it in the next day or 2. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lt. Al Giardello 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2008 Man I just hope to see Brock Vs. Randy, before Randy gets too old... By the way keep a look out for Jon Jones who defeated Andre Gusmao... He's only 21 and has been only fighting for about 6 months, he has loads of potential and will be a force at 205 in the future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2008 Whenever Brock mounted Heath, Heath did the smart thing and turned onto his stomach - Brock wasn't going for a RNC and you can't strike the back of the head. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lt. Al Giardello 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2008 Whenever Brock mounted Heath, Heath did the smart thing and turned onto his stomach - Brock wasn't going for a RNC and you can't strike the back of the head. Still going to hate on GSP, and think every contender in WW division can "beat his ass in the 1st round"? Your hate sure looked foolish last night... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2008 I was able to grab this very small picture of Jon Fitch from a Kenny Florian press conference video. It's a bad picture I know but it's the best I could find. FUCKED UP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2008 Whenever Brock mounted Heath, Heath did the smart thing and turned onto his stomach - Brock wasn't going for a RNC and you can't strike the back of the head. Still going to hate on GSP, and think every contender in WW division can "beat his ass in the 1st round"? Your hate sure looked foolish last night... Yeah, he looked good last night. I still think if he went up against a good striker, he would get laid out. And Penn is going to murder him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lt. Al Giardello 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2008 Whenever Brock mounted Heath, Heath did the smart thing and turned onto his stomach - Brock wasn't going for a RNC and you can't strike the back of the head. Still going to hate on GSP, and think every contender in WW division can "beat his ass in the 1st round"? Your hate sure looked foolish last night... Yeah, he looked good last night. I still think if he went up against a good striker, he would get laid out. And Penn is going to murder him. I don't think Penn will "murder" him, I think he will win, but it will be a close fight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lei Tong 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2008 Brock would do well to have Vladdy teach him how to properly fuck someone up on the ground with little concept of BJJ positioning. That being said, I'm reserving all of the "Lesnar is a future champion" hype until he beats a HW who doesn't blow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Niggardly King 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2008 But HEATH has beaten the 7'7" Giant Silva... Tom Erickson, was in wars with Cro Cop, Minotauro Nogueira, Fedor, and CHEICK. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2008 Kongo saying 'teetle' was great. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2008 Why did BJ sound like someone had kneed him in the groin? His voice sounded even higher than usual. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lt. Al Giardello 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2008 Why did BJ sound like someone had kneed him in the groin? His voice sounded even higher than usual. What are you talking about? Whenever BJ is excited he always sounds like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2008 And every sentence is preceeded by Hey! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AboveAverage484 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2008 Well Heath is solidly in the middle as a HW; not quite good enough to be considered a top HW, but too experienced and tough to be considered a bad one. Brock still needs some work, but he definitely impressed me more than he did against Mir (obviously). As for future HW champ, I don't think so, at least not as long as Nogueira is still there. GSP probably should have finished Fitch within regulation, but Jon is tough as nails so that can hardly be considered a knock. Wouldn't fighting Kongo next be a step down for Lesnar? Or does him being a very beatable fighter for Brock have something to do with it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lt. Al Giardello 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2008 Wouldn't fighting Kongo next be a step down for Lesnar? Or does him being a very beatable fighter for Brock have something to do with it? But the problem is, who do they give to Lesnar? The HW division is pretty much shitty, and they don't want to give Brock, Cain Velasquez or Shane Carwin so early, when those could be big money fights in the future... Atleast Cheick is a named opponet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2008 Couldn't have timed that knee any better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toxxic 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2008 I know fuck all about MMA and will happily admit it. I'll also admit that my main reason for watching was Lesnar (although I have watched other UFC shows without him when I can find them). So my comments will likely be worthless, but still. GSP was good, and in control, but I am STUNNED at how tough Jon Fitch is. No matter how much of a pasting he took he was still in there fighting; there were flurries of blows that would have forced a ref stop in pretty much every other fight I've seen, but Fitch was still in there. And then he'd fight out of a mount or something a couple of seconds later, squeeze back up to his feet and start throwing punches again. My wife noted that, I think it was after the third round, although Fitch was totally busted up it was GSP who was breathing heavier and looked more tired. Brock scares me. That first charge was surprising, and I'm not sure if Heath recovered from the shock. When Brock tagged him and sent him tumbling head-over-heels we cheered, and good god the speed he came in at straight after. I did think that about halfway through the second round he'd lost most of his wind, but Heath was pretty much dead at that point so it didn't matter. I think the most surprising thing was I'm sure I saw a look of real fear on Herring's face about a minute in, when he realised that the guy he'd been making light of just hit him INCREDIBLY hard, and was now not going to let him up, ever. There was definitely an idea of "what the fuck have I got myself into here?" I've no doubt that Lesnar still has weaknesses that will be exposed, and his lack of a killer instinct on the mat might hurt him (are his arms actually able to get under someone's chin for a choke?), but he did what he had to do, and did it well. And it looks like if he CAN hit you, you ARE going down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2008 Couldn't have timed that knee any better. Ehhhhh it's doable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Niggardly King 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2008 Am I the only one who witnessed Brock being stunned by Herrings first and really only effective elbow while he was on top of his back? Or was this just a delusion on my part? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Niggardly King 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2008 “After the first round, I tried everything, I thought, ‘my God, what do I have to do to beat this guy?’ It was discouraging." GSP on Fitch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Warriorfan 0 Report post Posted August 11, 2008 With 2 fights left what do you think the prospects are of Brock Jumping ship if he doesn't receive a title-fight in his last contracted match? Brock would be a shoe-in for EliteXC as a contender against Kimbo( the real belt is an afterthought) or he could be a headliner with Affliction. Pardon the off-topic post but Lupe Fiasco's sig is freaking me out! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted August 11, 2008 UFC is paying Brock nearly $500k a fight (if he wins). He's not going anywhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maztinho 0 Report post Posted August 11, 2008 With 2 fights left what do you think the prospects are of Brock Jumping ship if he doesn't receive a title-fight in his last contracted match? Brock would be a shoe-in for EliteXC as a contender against Kimbo( the real belt is an afterthought) or he could be a headliner with Affliction. Pardon the off-topic post but Lupe Fiasco's sig is freaking me out! Also Brock would murder Kimbo at this point. Like to death. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imajackoff? 0 Report post Posted August 11, 2008 Herring came out to the theme to The Good the Bad and the Ugly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted August 11, 2008 Would it be off-point to suggest that Fitch showed some of the biggest heart in recent MMA history? I mean, upon re-watch that was a mugging and he still wouldn't die, ever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Niggardly King 0 Report post Posted August 11, 2008 When GSP bows down to you after the fight and praises you to the high heavens post fight interview... I think it's alright. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lei Tong 0 Report post Posted August 11, 2008 Well Heath is solidly in the middle as a HW; not quite good enough to be considered a top HW, but too experienced and tough to be considered a bad one. Herring's OK (relative to his shitty division), but he's still not a good fighter and certainly not any sort of litmus test of a fighter's potential. JOB taking a single round from a shit-scared Arlovski spoke more highly of his skill than grapple-fucking Herring for 15 minutes, IMO. As is, being unable to put away Herring doesn't tell us anything because being tough is about Herring's only strength; dropping Herring doesn't tell us anything because Enson Inoue did the same; and outwrestling Herring didn't mean anything because Herring has long been a laughable wrestler. Beating a HW with more viable offensive threats would've impressed me more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AboveAverage484 0 Report post Posted August 11, 2008 Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. I just didn't want to be the first guy to admit that they weren't really, truly impressed by Lesnar's domination of Herring. It surprised me, yes, because I thought Herring would at least put up more of a fight or try to utilize some type of submission game (please, withhold your laughter), but Lesnar's victory really didn't tell me anything other than that he's strong and has good takedowns and he can beat somebody who can be sloppy and inconsistent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frosty 0 Report post Posted August 11, 2008 Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. I just didn't want to be the first guy to admit that they weren't really, truly impressed by Lesnar's domination of Herring. It surprised me, yes, because I thought Herring would at least put up more of a fight or try to utilize some type of submission game (please, withhold your laughter), but Lesnar's victory really didn't tell me anything other than that he's strong and has good takedowns and he can beat somebody who can be sloppy and inconsistent. While Lesnar did "dominate" Herring, it was the worst domination of someone I've ever seen. Aside from the one punch right off the bat, and a few takedowns all he did was lie on top of Herring. This was by far the worst fight of the night, and Lesnar did exactly what a lot of people here shit on Tim Sylvia for doing. All in all, it's a W for Lesnar, but his post fight celebration was completely laughable, and I was pro-Lesnar before this fight, but I hope the next person they put him in the ring with KO's him in less the a minute, and then dances around his fallen body. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imajackoff? 0 Report post Posted August 11, 2008 Lesnar did more than punch him once and lay on him. Go ask Herring's face if it only got punched once. It looked like 5 day old ground beef after the 3rd round. He continued to punch the head and face as well as knee the fuck out of the body while dominating him on the ground. Sure, he should have ended it early with a RNC, but it was his 3rd fight, facing a guy that had over 40. I'll cut him slack for sticking with what he was comfortable with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
