Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted August 22, 2008 Really? I thought all former champions would be worthy of another title shot when they actually, ya know, beat somebody in that division who'd make them a contender. Silly me. I don't remember you bitching when Randy got a title shot after he retired after Chuck whoop dat azz... Randy's title shot was due to lack of options. Vera's contact negotiations were stalling, Mir was fresh off getting dusted by Vera, Gonzaga hadn't killed Cro-Cop yet. UFC could easily throw the winner of Sanchez/Alves against GSP and either would be more deserving then BJ. Mik- Am I being out of line or ignorant with any said comments? I've said many, many times that I respect the shit out of BJ and think he'll be a huge problem for GSP yet any time I make a valid point it's "Oh Curry, get GSP's dick out yo mouth." I would hope to God that Penn fans would make the same arguments if GSP were instantly awarded a title shot he hadn't earned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0 Report post Posted August 22, 2008 Considering how shitty the division is, if GSP could cut down to 155, why not? He's already beaten Sherk and Serra. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted August 22, 2008 I guess the fact that I like divisions and champions within said weight guidelines of those divisions isn't obvious enough by now. Yes, he beat Serra and Sherk but that was at 170. Serra in terms of being a relevant LW is years removed anyways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lt. Al Giardello 0 Report post Posted August 22, 2008 Randy's title shot was due to lack of options. Vera's contact negotiations were stalling, Mir was fresh off getting dusted by Vera, Gonzaga hadn't killed Cro-Cop yet. UFC could easily throw the winner of Sanchez/Alves against GSP and either would be more deserving then BJ. Mik- Am I being out of line or ignorant with any said comments? I've said many, many times that I respect the shit out of BJ and think he'll be a huge problem for GSP yet any time I make a valid point it's "Oh Curry, get GSP's dick out yo mouth." I would hope to God that Penn fans would make the same arguments if GSP were instantly awarded a title shot he hadn't earned. The winner of Sanchez/Alves is getting the next title shot after GSP/BJ either way, they'll problay wait until late March or early April. And the reason Randy got the shot wasn't just because of lack options, but because of Randy's popularaty, and he would generate a lot of money like Penn/GSP 2. The rematch between GSP and Penn has been almost 3 years in the making, and there is no better way to have it then as soon as possible. BJ Penn has proven he is head and shoulders above anyone in the UFC lightweight division, by utterly destroying one of the best fighters in the division who could possibly be a champion if BJ wasn't the champion in Joe Stevenson. Also embarassing and dominating the only threat he had at the division in Sean Sherk, making him look like a C-level fighter. So why not have the top fighter from the Lightweight division fight the top fighter from the Welterweight division? In boxing usually fighters who were champions at a lower weight class who decides to move up in weight at another division, gets immediate title shots, if they are in a top level fighter (I.E. Floyd Mayweather Jr) like BJ Penn is in MMA. I see no reason now. It's the best possible fight, so make it with everything on the line. I know GSP himself wants to prove he is the champion by beating the best, which is BJ right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lt. Al Giardello 0 Report post Posted August 22, 2008 Considering how shitty the division is, if GSP could cut down to 155, why not? He's already beaten Sherk and Serra. The Lightweight division isn't shitty, it's just full of up and comers... It would be much more interesting if BJ wasn't in the division because he is head and shoulders above the rest the division and decides to move up. Plus I doubt GSP could actually cut to 155. He's already a huge WW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted August 22, 2008 Randy's title shot was due to lack of options. Vera's contact negotiations were stalling, Mir was fresh off getting dusted by Vera, Gonzaga hadn't killed Cro-Cop yet. UFC could easily throw the winner of Sanchez/Alves against GSP and either would be more deserving then BJ. Mik- Am I being out of line or ignorant with any said comments? I've said many, many times that I respect the shit out of BJ and think he'll be a huge problem for GSP yet any time I make a valid point it's "Oh Curry, get GSP's dick out yo mouth." I would hope to God that Penn fans would make the same arguments if GSP were instantly awarded a title shot he hadn't earned. The winner of Sanchez/Alves is getting the next title shot after GSP/BJ either way, they'll problay wait until late March or early April. And the reason Randy got the shot wasn't just because of lack options, but because of Randy's popularaty, and he would generate a lot of money like Penn/GSP 2. The rematch between GSP and Penn has been almost 3 years in the making, and there is no better way to have it then as soon as possible. BJ Penn has proven he is head and shoulders above anyone in the UFC lightweight division, by utterly destroying one of the best fighters in the division who could possibly be a champion if BJ wasn't the champion in Joe Stevenson. Also embarassing and dominating the only threat he had at the division in Sean Sherk, making him look like a C-level fighter. So why not have the top fighter from the Lightweight division fight the top fighter from the Welterweight division? In boxing usually fighters who were champions at a lower weight class who decides to move up in weight at another division, gets immediate title shots, if they are in a top level fighter (I.E. Floyd Mayweather Jr) like BJ Penn is in MMA. I see no reason now. It's the best possible fight, so make it with everything on the line. I know GSP himself wants to prove he is the champion by beating the best, which is BJ right now. Well, that's the thing. Like you said, GSP's possibilities of making 170 are slim so either BJ keeps the belt if he becomes WW champi on or he vacates the LW belt after one defense. Stellar options. When everything is on the line for both dudes I'll see the fairness here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lei Tong 0 Report post Posted August 22, 2008 I guess the fact that I like divisions and champions within said weight guidelines of those divisions isn't obvious enough by now. Not really. You liked PRIDE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Niggardly King 0 Report post Posted August 22, 2008 We all liked PRIDE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2008 KJ Noons officially said he won't fight Nick Diaz. Pussy. Wagnney Fabiano is now in the WEC... nice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2008 WAGFABULOUS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2008 KJ Noons officially said he won't fight Nick Diaz. Pussy. Wagnney Fabiano is now in the WEC... nice. He punched his face in last time they fought. Nick should try and make the weight before wanting a title shot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2008 He did in his last fight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lt. Al Giardello 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2008 KJ Noons officially said he won't fight Nick Diaz. Pussy. Wagnney Fabiano is now in the WEC... nice. He punched his face in last time they fought. Nick should try and make the weight before wanting a title shot We won the 1st round, Nick Diaz is known to start slow... And he won by a cut, and Diaz is known to get cut up in fights because of his scar tissue. I take nothing away from KJ, he won fair and square but there is still controversey surrounding it. If KJ really thinks he is that much better then Diaz, why doesn't he take the fight? It will be an easy title defense according to him, so why not? It will help him build his name beating Diaz twice. His manger is a fucking idiot to. This is the same moron who made Vera sit on the sidelines for a year, when he was ready for a title shot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2008 I'm just saying he shouldn't be thrown the next title shot just because he's Nick Diaz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lt. Al Giardello 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2008 I'm just saying he shouldn't be thrown the next title shot just because he's Nick Diaz He's 3-0 since the Noons fight... Plus the Elite XC lightweight division is weak anyway, so thats why he's getting a title shot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2008 I'd love to see the fight, don't get me wrong. But the idea that Elite XC is forcing the fight on the guy is stupid. His Dream fight doesn't count in his EXC standings. Let him make weight two fights in a row and get a shot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2008 KJ Noons officially said he won't fight Nick Diaz. Pussy. Wagnney Fabiano is now in the WEC... nice. He punched his face in last time they fought. Nick should try and make the weight before wanting a title shot We won the 1st round, Nick Diaz is known to start slow... And he won by a cut, and Diaz is known to get cut up in fights because of his scar tissue. I take nothing away from KJ, he won fair and square but there is still controversey surrounding it. If KJ really thinks he is that much better then Diaz, why doesn't he take the fight? It will be an easy title defense according to him, so why not? It will help him build his name beating Diaz twice. His manger is a fucking idiot to. This is the same moron who made Vera sit on the sidelines for a year, when he was ready for a title shot. I love Nick Diaz but I saw nothing in his last 3 fights since Noons to make me think he'll beat him. People seem to think that Diaz's cut materialized out of nowhere or was caused by a glove or accidental finger. They seem to forget (or choose to forget) Noons completely stuffing all of Nick's shots, walking through his pitter-patter standup and blasting him standing and on the ground. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2008 I have taken to pronouncing Martin Kampmann's last name like Christopher Reeve on South Park pronounced Gene Hackman's last name. It's buckets of fun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruteSquad_BRODY 0 Report post Posted August 24, 2008 Dames sent Big Dave this video. well worth sharing: http://www.todaysbigthing.com/2008/08/20 Capoeira is a flashy style of fighting based largely on break dancing. Unfortunately for this guy, there's more to winning a fight than what we've been taught by Michael Jackson music videos and West Side Story. Next time he'll focus less on dancing and more on punching. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted August 24, 2008 That was a very well timed strike. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted August 24, 2008 World Victory Road results from last night in Japan.... MAIN CARD * Takanori Gomi def. Seung Hwan Bang via unanimous decision * Frank Trigg def. Makoto Takimoto via unanimous decision * Yang Dong Yi def. Pawel Nastula via TKO -- Round 2, 2:15 * Moise Rimbon def. Peter Graham via submission (rear-naked choke) -- Round 2, 0:42 * Valentijn Overeems def. Kazuo Takahashi via KO (knee) -- 1, 2:42 SENGOKU LIGHTWEIGHT GRAND PRIX * Satoru Kitaoka def. Clay French via submission (Achilles lock ) -- Round 1, 0:31 * Eiji Mitsuoka def. Rodrigo Damm via submission (rear naked choke) -- Round 1, 3:13 * Kazunori Yokota def. Bojan Kosednar via unanimous decision * Mizuto Hirota def. Ryan Schultz via KO (superman punch) -- Round 2, 4:25 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lei Tong 0 Report post Posted August 24, 2008 - Sounds like Pang looked pretty good, which is exciting not only for the him but also in terms of the increasing competitiveness of South Korea's influx of MMA fighters. - Joe "Daddy" Kitaoka still rocks on the mat, but he's still going to have trouble with a talented sprawl & brawler (of which Inoue is a poor imitation of). - 2 years ago, the extent of my interest in Mitsuoka's career was seeing if anyone could top Chris Brennan's record of tapping him out twice in one night. This is as unlikely of a career turnaround as seen by Takashi Nakakura in SHOOTO. - No one doubted that Schultz had the tools to take on a relatively one-dimensional scrapper in Hirota, but the hype of his IFL run couldn't change the fact that his chin is still iffy, and it looks like he gave Hirota the opprotunity needed to find it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted August 25, 2008 Dames sent Big Dave this video. well worth sharing: http://www.todaysbigthing.com/2008/08/20 Capoeira is a flashy style of fighting based largely on break dancing. Unfortunately for this guy, there's more to winning a fight than what we've been taught by Michael Jackson music videos and West Side Story. Next time he'll focus less on dancing and more on punching. PWNED!!! As if there was going to be any doubt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted August 25, 2008 - Sounds like Pang looked pretty good, which is exciting not only for the him but also in terms of the increasing competitiveness of South Korea's influx of MMA fighters. - Joe "Daddy" Kitaoka still rocks on the mat, but he's still going to have trouble with a talented sprawl & brawler (of which Inoue is a poor imitation of). - 2 years ago, the extent of my interest in Mitsuoka's career was seeing if anyone could top Chris Brennan's record of tapping him out twice in one night. This is as unlikely of a career turnaround as seen by Takashi Nakakura in SHOOTO. - No one doubted that Schultz had the tools to take on a relatively one-dimensional scrapper in Hirota, but the hype of his IFL run couldn't change the fact that his chin is still iffy, and it looks like he gave Hirota the opprotunity needed to find it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0 Report post Posted August 25, 2008 I was wondering something. How many people who post here actually train in some form of MMA? I remember awhile back, someone was talking about how they were training in Judo. I've been training in BJJ for about 6 months now and was wondering if anyone else on TSM was? If so, maybe we can start a "Talk/Ask Questions About Training" thread of some sorts, where people can post about what they are learning or if they have questions? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lei Tong 0 Report post Posted August 25, 2008 I've trained in BJJ off & on for the past 5 years, but never regularly enough to make the strides in my game and conditioning that I should've. I'm just too lazy and too much of a drunkard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted August 25, 2008 I have limited Muay Thai experience and I have been meaning to start BJJ for a long time now. Ken Kronenberg, a gracie black-belt, is literally less than 10 minutes away from my house. I need to stop being so lazy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dames 0 Report post Posted August 25, 2008 Dames sent Big Dave this video. well worth sharing: http://www.todaysbigthing.com/2008/08/20 Capoeira is a flashy style of fighting based largely on break dancing. Unfortunately for this guy, there's more to winning a fight than what we've been taught by Michael Jackson music videos and West Side Story. Next time he'll focus less on dancing and more on punching. PWNED!!! As if there was going to be any doubt. I didn't send him the video...it was on his page and I emailed him to let him know that's not a legit video, that's raw footage from the movie Never Back Down. Where did you guys see that I contributed this video?? Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AboveAverage484 0 Report post Posted August 25, 2008 I've did heavy Muay Thai training for a good three or four years until I moved away from my gym. There is a good one here (Raleigh, NC), but I'd like to get a job with a little bit better income before joining it. I always thought I could be pretty successful at the amateur level if I trained and fought regularly, but unfortunately I haven't been able to do so yet. I'm a lanky bastard so my wrestling is shit. I've done a little bit of BJJ here and there, enough to know the basic holds and escapes as well as passes and reversals but I'm still probably far from competent. I have quick reactions and pretty good flexibility to go with "rubber limbs" so I'm not as handicapped defense wise as most people in my position would be. Pretty much stand up only for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted August 26, 2008 I've delved into a little drunken-boxing with my friends when I was ya know.....DRUNK. LOL. A friend of a friend has some training in BJJ. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites