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1. How much of the tournament should be shown on the PPV? Quarterfinals on? Semi-finals on? Ideally, I'd show the quarterfinals, semis and finals but that format really only worked in '93 and '94. Every other year, it felt rushed. But yeah, if I had to pick to I'd say from the quarterfinals on. 2. Since the last KOTR PPV in 2002, do you think the WWE has been better at building young superstars? Worse? Eh, probably a bit better but I'm not sure if it has much at all to do with the KOTR. The King of The Ring only really built one guy every year. How many 2nd place KOTR guys can you remember? 3. If Steve Austin hadn't won the '96 King of The Ring, how would it have effected his career? What if Triple H hadn't won in '97?Austin wouldn't have had that definitive promo. But I think he was too charismatic to be a midcarder for the rest of his WWF stint and was already sort of on his way so it didn't effect him all that much. KOTR rescued Helmsley from the doldrums of the midcard but who else were they going to give it to that year? I think his ensuing feud with Mankind did more for him than the KOTR win over Mankind itself. 4. What are some of your favorite King of The Ring memories? Like I mentioned Bret Hart's three matches at the first PPV. The pre-match promo with Bret Hart and Mr. Perfect at the same PPV. Owen Hart Vs 123 Kid at KOTR '94. Austin's post match promo after winning the tournament. The retarded kid falling over the barricade during HBK/Austin at KOTR '97 (sorry, I'm going to hell). 5. Least favorite? The entire 1995 and 1999 PPVs.

Alright, alright, here are some. 1. How much of the tournament should be shown on the PPV? Quarterfinals on? Semi-finals on? 2. Since the last KOTR PPV in 2002, do you think the WWE has been better at building young superstars? Worse? 3. If Steve Austin hadn't won the '96 King of The Ring, how would it have effected his career? What if Triple H hadn't won in '97? 4. What are some of your favorite King of The Ring memories? 5. Least favorite?

Daryl Hall is doing a free show this summer at L.L. Bean Park. While I won't be able to achieve my dream of seeing Hall and Oates live, Hall is the one I want to see if I have to pick between the two.

He does a show at City Hall in Portland every year and I think he charges around $75-80 but I think his ticket prices must vary on the venue cause he played a 10,000 seat outdoor venue normally reserved for concerts and only charged $50-60. I don't see the appeal of seeing stand-up in a huge place like that though.

I was going to start a townhall type thread but I'm feeling too lazy to come up with questions. So let's talk about The King of The Ring tournament, your favorite moments, your least favorite moments. Personally, having seen all of the King of The Ring PPVs, my favorite tournament is still the first. You had Bret Hart having ***+ matches in one night and almost every guy in the tournament (except Duggan and maybe Mr. Hughes) had a conceivable shot at winning the whole thing. '94 would be a close second. To be perfectly honest, I thought after the first two, the tournaments kind of sucked for the most part. It's like it came the afterthought to its own card. Just for a whim, I'll rank the PPV tournaments (I don't think very many, even on the IWC, have seen the old one-night house show King of The Rings though I know there's a fan cam of at least of one of them). 1. 1993 2. 1994 3. 1996 4. 2001 5. 1997 6. 2000 7. 2002 8. 1998 9. 1999 10. 1995 #4-8 are really interchangable. It's obvious what the top two are and bottom two are but after that it gets muddled.

The Undertaker beat John Cena at Vengeance '03. Granted, it's not the huge mega match it would be now but it was the #2 attraction on that card.

They didn't face each other at MSG, but they did go against each other at a random house show in South Dakota. Courtesy of Graham Cawthon's site WWE (Raw) @ Sioux Falls, SD - September 6, 2002 Spike Dudley pinned Johnny Stamboli with the Dudley Dog Justin Credible pinned Shelton Benjamin when the momentum of a crossbody off the top put Credible on top for the win Raven pinned D-Lo Brown with a kick to the midsection and the DDT after ducking a clothesline Bradshaw pinned Christopher Nowinski with the Clothesline from Hell; William Regal was in Nowinski's corner until he was thrown out for interferring WWE IC Champion Rob Van Dam pinned the Big Show with the Van Damninator and Five Star Frog Splash in a No DQ match WWE Women's Champion Molly Holly pinned Jackie with a roll up and putting her feet on the ropes; Victoria was the guest referee and Stacy Keibler was the guest ring announcer Tommy Dreamer pinned Steven Richards with the DVD WWE Tag Team Champions Lance Storm & Christian defeated Bubba Ray Dudley (sub. for Booker T) & Goldust in a Best 2 out of 3 falls match; fall #1 - Storm pinned Bubba with the superkick while Christian held Bubba's leg down during the cover; fall #2 - Goldust pinned Christian with the Curtain Call; fall #3 - Christian pinned Goldust after William Regal interfered and hit Goldust with brass knuckles WWE World Champion Brock Lesnar pinned Raw World Champion Triple H by avoiding the Pedigree and hitting the F5; only Lesnar's title was on the line

909 and I think NYU

Sweet- Fox On The Run In a half awake slumber, I could have swore I heard them play a snippet of the intro of this song on The Today Show as background music for one of the segments this morning. It was bizarre to say the least. I guess one of the producers at Today is a big fan of second tier glam rock.

The more I think about it, I think "Leave Me Alone" is my favorite Michael Jackson music video. It's got everything you could want from a Michael Jackson video; an appearence by Bubbles, dogs in suits, Michael dancing with The Elephant Man's skeleton, and giant Michael destroying an amusement park. Any one of those elements would make a music video awesome but all together? Man oh man, I love that video.

I'm not going to let this thread go by without a mention of The Raspberries. Great classic power-pop band. Even if their ballads kind of suck.

Yeah...Droese was gone for a good year or so by the time Chyna arrived and was gone for about three years by the time Chyna had that Good Housekeeping match with Jeff Jarrett. I would admonish you for drinking and posting but I'm posting about Duke Droese sober so...

OK- this is completely off-topic but since we're on the topic of Duke "The Dumpster" Droese, I'll ask this question. Am I crazy or did Droese leave the WWF after losing a Loser Leaves Town "Good Housekeeping" (plunder match basically) to T.L. Hopper on Superstars? I swear that match happened but nobody else seems to remember it

How is 6 to 8 months not new? I guess you're sort of right by 1996 standards. But 6 to 8 months isn't really new by current standards. This is a stupid argument so I'm going stop right now. But yeah Duke Droese was getting a lot of wins (relatively speaking) in that time period and he even beat Helmsley at The Royal Rumble Free For All. Actually, it's kind of ridiculous we're having a Duke Droese conversation in the first place. Only in a Wrestler Court thread...

I call bullshit only because by the time that Droese-Triple H match happened where Droese got his head shaved, Helmsley had been in the company for like 6 to 8 months and thus wasn't new.

Oh I forgot to mention that after seeing Fountains of Wayne last August, I got a T-shirt signed by them. Pretty stupid in retrospect cause now I can't wear that shirt and as much as I like them, it's not like it's ever going to sell for huge bucks if I ever get deep into debt and decide to sell it. $20 down the drain. And I don't have any cool meeting band stories like SmartlyPretty. The student body president in my sophomore and junior year's band opened up for Hawthorne Heights. That's not really worth bragging about though.

Thanks Kinetic! I do feel better after that. Man, no one can express the fragility of life better than John Ondrasik!

And it isn't like it'd take up any time on the actual network. I actually kind of like Simmons' podcasts so boo on ESPN.

Well they certainly announced the Saturday Night taping I went to but I think it was only on local commercials and regionalized promos during episodes of WCW Worldwide and Pro. Now there's one thing I miss about wrestling the promos hyping local house shows and TV tapings. I remember one hyping the Saturday Night taping where Chris Jericho talked about how it was going to be great to wrestle in Portland, Oregon before Mean Gene corrected him. Amusingly enough, I don't think Jericho wrestled that night. I'm sure it's purely coincidental but I don't think I've been as big of a wrestling fan since the death of pro wrestling on Saturdays. I thinkTNA replays Impact then but it just isn't the same. The last Saturday show I remember watching regularly was Metal/Jakked in late '01/early '02. It came on at 7 A.M. but for some reason I always got up to watch it. I guess I needed my weekly fix of Perry Saturn/Funaki matches.

I don't have 24/7 but I do have a bootleg VHS of this show (I don't know if it was ever released on Coliseum Video). This is one of those shows that's fairly interesting but wrestling-wise is just not very good. I don't think anything more needs to be said or really can be said about the greatness of HBK/Mankind but I'll say I think the second best match was Savio Vega Vs Justin Hawk Bradshaw. That was a fun little match.

On a scale from 1 to 10, how ashamed should I be that I have to restrain myself from weeping everytime I hear "100 Years" by Five For Fighting?

Third Eye Blind's self titled debut is a pretty solid album, the other two? Not so much. But "Never Let You Go" is probably their best song and that's off their second album so it's not a total loss. Another power-popish, late 90s alt rock afterthought band that I really enjoyed was Fastball. I think I prefer their minor hit "You're An Ocean" (featuring Billy Preston on piano) over their big hits "The Way" and "Out of My Head". Though I love all three.

I went to a WCW Saturday Night taping. It was two nights after Slamboree '98 and main evented by an epic Konnan-The Giant matchup. It was a pretty loaded Saturday Night taping cause it also had one of the matches in Booker T and Chris Benoit's Best of Seven series. My fondest memory of the show is starting a small "Marty" chant for Marty Jannetty.

Invader3k makes sense only because of his hatred for criminals and people who live in ghettos (insert your "well aren't they the same group" joke here).

I get you, Invader3k and Brody but why Scroby? Am I forgetting something really weird that he did?