Nash and HBK fight for the good of the business!

[Guest Super Pissed Smark]

Visa or not, Goldberg is totally in the right here. If Vince doesn't like the terms of their contract any more he should try to re-negotiate it.

[Guest EN090]

Given their pasts- They have no right to say anything. Why do they care that Goldberg isn't going to Australia- visa or not- It was his right to say no

 

Given Goldberg's past, they have the right to say anything they want.

 

Here's a guy who played just as much (if not more) politics in WCW as Nash did and as HBK did in the WWF. Here's a guy who tried to choke out Evan Karagias, picked a fight (and got embarassed) with Jericho, had several Monday Nitro's completely re-written to please him, refused to job and sell moves (even to Booker T, the WCW champion at the time), milked injuries, challenged guys to shoot fights, and acted like he was god's gift to wrestling. And the sad thing is that he didn't pay any dues in the business, didn't have an ounce of talent, and had everything handed to him on a silver platter.

 

I don't give a crap what HBK and Nash did in th past - atleast they paid their dues. Shawn Michaels was indeed an asshole backstage. But Shawn Michaels also went out and busted his ass every night and broke his back for the business. He was a prick but he had more of a right to be one than Goldberg ever did.

 

Goldberg should do what he's told and and go above and beyond of what he's asked because the truth is he was picked up off the street and given everything he has today. It's time to give a little back.

 

So if the Australia thing was true HBK and Nash had every right to have a talk with him.

[Gert T 0]

By the way, 1wrestling.com said that they had several people in the travel industry tell them that it's possible to get a Visa to Australia in about 10 minutes. Dave Scherer (I think) then tried doing this himself, and verified it.

Wouldn't he have to get a work visa too, and not just a travel one?

[bob_barron 0]

Given Goldberg's past, they have the right to say anything they want.

 

Here's a guy who played just as much (if not more) politics in WCW as Nash did and as HBK did in the WWF. Here's a guy who tried to choke out Evan Karagias, picked a fight (and got embarassed) with Jericho, had several Monday Nitro's completely re-written to please him, refused to job and sell moves (even to Booker T, the WCW champion at the time), milked injuries, challenged guys to shoot fights, and acted like he was god's gift to wrestling. And the sad thing is that he didn't pay any dues in the business, didn't have an ounce of talent, and had everything handed to him on a silver platter.

 

The paying dues thing is not Goldberg's fault. Blame that on Bischoff for giving him a God push right off the bat. When you're booked as Goldberg was booked- an ego is going to happen. I don't recall Goldberg faking an injury on national tv to vacate a title nor do I recall him becoming head booker of WCW and booking the company into the ground.

 

 

 

Shawn Michaels was indeed an asshole backstage. But Shawn Michaels also went out and busted his ass every night and broke his back for the business.

 

You mean like all those house show matches he dogged?

 

He was a prick but he had more of a right to be one than Goldberg ever did.

 

At least Goldberg's drawn money.

 

Goldberg should do what he's told and and go above and beyond of what he's asked because the truth is he was picked up off the street and given everything he has today. It's time to give a little back.

 

No he shouldn't. He got Vince to give him a very easy contract- that's Vince's problem. Not Goldberg.

 

So if the Australia thing was true HBK and Nash had every right to have a talk with him.

 

Why? They should tell Goldberg to do what is not in his contract after being called a dissapointment by the CEO of the company? If I was Goldberg I would tell Vince to fuck off.

 

Vince OFFERED Goldberg a contract that said he would only have to work a certain number of dates. Blame him

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I don't buy into the Kliq having much power now except for HHH, and even still it doesn't look like he has as much as Shawn and Nash did back then. If the Kliq had as much power as everyone says they do, Nash would have traded the belt with HHH for about 3 months, Shawn would have had another title reign, X-Pac would still have a job, and so would Hall regardless of all the shit he's done.

 

I'm glad you're not buying it, cause I'm not selling it. Here's what I'm selling... HHH doesn't want to job to Goldberg. HHH wants to keep the belt. HHH's buddies are speaking out aganst Goldberg. HHH's two longest feuds have been with his buddies. It's the kliq looking out for each other. Everything is centred around Hunter cause he's the guy with the power. Goldberg is a threat to HHH, and now we have HHH's two good friends speaking out on Goldberg. Everyone here is playing the "hypocrite" card when the real issue is with the buddy system.

[Fökai 0]

Here's a guy who played just as much (if not more) politics in WCW as Nash did and as HBK did in the WWF.

 

Goldberg was a head booker for an entire wrestling company?

 

Goldberg had his own stable of brown-nosers willing to stick up for him, while refusing jobs and using Goldberg's status as World champion?

 

...had several Monday Nitro's completely re-written to please him

 

Why, thank you for referring to wrestlezone.com for your news and rumors.

 

 

Refused to job and sell moves (even to Booker T, the WCW champion at the time)

 

Yet he jobbed to Steiner, Booker and VINCE FREAKING RUSSO so that they'd be perceived as World title threats - your claims are not only unfounded, but has a good chance of being fabricated(refused to sell moves?) to damage his reputation.

 

milked injuries

 

Right, like the punctured ARTERY in his arm, when he punched through a limosouine window for a STORYLINE.

 

challenged guys to shoot fights

 

One founded example and that's of the same man (Triple H) who has been talking down about Goldberg, even though Bill has done TRIPLE the business than HHH as a face champion.

 

and acted like he was god's gift to wrestling.

 

Demanding money because he's already a ready-made star is BAD, right?

 

And the sad thing is that he didn't pay any dues in the business, and had everything handed to him on a silver platter.

 

Pay any dues? What is this, being a comedian?

 

Fuck, if an agent or trainer sees SOMETHING in you, fuck training in the Power Plant or OVW, you're coming up RIGHT NOW. It's happened with countless guys over the last decade.

[Fökai 0]

...didn't have an ounce of talent

 

Please attempt to bring your arguments above 6th grade equivalency, please.

 

To say he didn't have "an ounce of talent" is a ridiculous argument, completely negated by the disturbing amount of money that Bill Goldberg drew in late 1998.

 

I'd assume by your definition of "talent", that Kevin Nash DID have said talent to push the WWF to near-bankruptcy in 1995.

[Youth N Asia 0]

Give Shawn a break, the man lost his smile. It takes time to get over that.

[Ripper 0]

I don't buy into the Kliq having much power now except for HHH, and even still it doesn't look like he has as much as Shawn and Nash did back then. If the Kliq had as much power as everyone says they do, Nash would have traded the belt with HHH for about 3 months, Shawn would have had another title reign, X-Pac would still have a job, and so would Hall regardless of all the shit he's done.

 

I'm glad you're not buying it, cause I'm not selling it. Here's what I'm selling... HHH doesn't want to job to Goldberg. HHH wants to keep the belt. HHH's buddies are speaking out aganst Goldberg. HHH's two longest feuds have been with his buddies. It's the kliq looking out for each other. Everything is centred around Hunter cause he's the guy with the power. Goldberg is a threat to HHH, and now we have HHH's two good friends speaking out on Goldberg. Everyone here is playing the "hypocrite" card when the real issue is with the buddy system.

At what point do they plan to send the box to themselves to have Envy and Wrath, those diabolical geniuses.

 

 

Seriously, I think you are giving them WAYYYYY to much credit. WAYYYYYY to much.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

How so? I say that HHH has used his power to hold on to the belt and get feuds with his buddies. I say that Nash and HBK are being "vocal" against Goldberg to help HHH out. I'm not saying that they meet every Friday night in a darkened room and think of ways to stay on top. That's ridiculous. We all know that Friday Nights are "watch Hall stumble around and taunt him" nights. They do that sorta thing on Saturdays.

[CanadianChick 0]

How so? I say that HHH has used his power to hold on to the belt and get feuds with his buddies. I say that Nash and HBK are being "vocal" against Goldberg to help HHH out. I'm not saying that they meet every Friday night in a darkened room and think of ways to stay on top. That's ridiculous. We all know that Friday Nights are "watch Hall stumble around and taunt him" nights. They do that sorta thing on Saturdays.

WHAT!?! I thought Friday was hair care night.

 

Sorry, sorry bad joke.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Whether you like Goldberg or not, to say he didn't have an ounce of talent is ridiculous. Goldberg is incredibly athletic, strong, and agile and has a natural charisma about him that most wrestlers would kill for.

 

Plus he guest announced for Sapp vs. Nog

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

You'd imagine they can't do house shows because one has a messed up back and the other one has jelly for knees not because they just don't want to work.

That just shows that they shouldn't be active wrestlers anymore.

But don't you think they CONTRIBUTE SO MUCH? It was so nice of them to each give a dirty job to that runt Jericho, who isn't God-like because he doesn't have a notorious entourage. It makes me all warm and fuzzy thinking about this close-knit group of friends helping each other retain their 'spots' in a FAKE SPORT.

 

I mean, wouldn't RAW just collapse without the Two Dudes With Attitudes around? 1995 was *such* a profitable year for Vince, ya know. I can understand why he would want to recreate the magic.

[Guest The Real Nosferatu]

Theres one good thing about this. HBK nor Nash are looking to get the title instead of Goldberg.

 

I'm pretty shocked at how Goldberg in one thread is pissed on more than HHH, and in others everyone's his fan.

 

Jericho should win! lol

[Guest Anglesault]

How so?  I say that HHH has used his power to hold on to the belt and get feuds with his buddies.  I say that Nash and HBK are being "vocal" against Goldberg to help HHH out.  I'm not saying that they meet every Friday night in a darkened room and think of ways to stay on top.  That's ridiculous.  We all know that Friday Nights are "watch Hall stumble around and taunt him" nights.  They do that sorta thing on Saturdays.

WHAT!?! I thought Friday was hair care night.

 

Sorry, sorry bad joke.

Not anymore.

 

I've always wondered how Hall and Waltman got by with their greasy ass hair, though.

[CanadianChick 0]

See AS, Pac and Hall never learned the art of conditioner. Sure, they would use it, but they would always use way too much. But you gotta give them points for trying. It's just that Nash, Micheals and HHH just used the conditioner better. And they're still employed. Hm...Coincidence? I think not.

[Guest Anglesault]

See AS, Pac and Hall never learned the art of conditioner. Sure, they would use it, but they would always use way too much. But you gotta give them points for trying. It's just that Nash, Micheals and HHH just used the conditioner better. And they're still employed. Hm...Coincidence? I think not.

So Hall and X-pac were like hair groupies to the *Real* hair superstars?

[Guest EN090]

Goldberg was a head booker for an entire wrestling company?

 

Goldberg had his own stable of brown-nosers willing to stick up for him, while refusing jobs and using Goldberg's status as World champion?

 

Goldberg didn't need to be head booker or have a "stable of brown-nosers" - he had Eric Bischoff ten feet up his ass, giving him anything he wanted.

 

Why, thank you for referring to wrestlezone.com for your news and rumors.

 

Actually it was 1wrestling, smartass. Go look up some Daily Lariet articles from summer of 2000.

 

Yet he jobbed to Steiner, Booker and VINCE FREAKING RUSSO so that they'd be perceived as World title threats - your claims are not only unfounded, but has a good chance of being fabricated(refused to sell moves?) to damage his reputation.

 

Steiner - It took Vince Russo, Midajah, a baseball bat, and a lead pipe. And they used the "passed out in the Steiner Recliner" finish.

 

Booker - was supposed to job clean to him on a Monday Nitro. They had to change much of the script to Goldberg's liking because he didn't want to job clean. And it still took a chairshot from Jeff Jarrett (which Shitberg didn't sell, of course) to get Booker to pin him.

 

Vince Russo - And you say my claims are unfounded?

 

Go find me the show that Goldberg jobbed to Vince Russo on. You might have a little trouble because IT NEVER HAPPENED.

 

Right, like the punctured ARTERY in his arm, when he punched through a limosouine window for a STORYLINE.

 

The punctured artery was legit but don't tell me it prevented him from showing up on the 4/10/00 re-launch Nitro in a non-physical role.

 

One founded example and that's of the same man (Triple H) who has been talking down about Goldberg, even though Bill has done TRIPLE the business than HHH as a face champion.

 

He used to pick on Evan Karagias back in WCW and got into a fight with Jericho earlier this year.

 

Fuck, if an agent or trainer sees SOMETHING in you, fuck training in the Power Plant or OVW, you're coming up RIGHT NOW. It's happened with countless guys over the last decade.

 

I don't have a problem with him getting the ball because he's "got it." The problem is he refuses to show any respect to the other guys who did have to pay their dues and work their way up in the business.

 

Please attempt to bring your arguments above 6th grade equivalency, please.

 

To say he didn't have "an ounce of talent" is a ridiculous argument, completely negated by the disturbing amount of money that Bill Goldberg drew in late 1998.

 

I'd assume by your definition of "talent", that Kevin Nash DID have said talent to push the WWF to near-bankruptcy in 1995.

 

My definition of talent is Shawn Michaels pulling great matches out of guys like Sid, not Goldberg throwing around a jobber for two minutes every week on Nitro.

Edited August 22, 2003 by EN090

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Goldberg didn't need to be head booker or have a "stable of brown-nosers" - he had Eric Bischoff ten feet up his ass, giving him anything he wanted.

 

Like when in the peak moments of his streak, Nash booked himself over Goldberg to end the streak and win the title?

 

Then job it back to Hogan in a momentous screwjob weeks later, to further devalue the title?

 

Goldberg was programmed to have an ego, as instilled by Eric Bischoff's booking. BUT, Bischoff was so far up Hogan and Nash's ass, he didn't have the time to come up for air and address Goldberg's possible concerns with his direction.

 

Actually it was 1wrestling, smartass. Go look up some Daily Lariet articles from summer of 2000.

 

In the summer of 2000, Goldberg agreed to job to two of the three men I mentioned earlier - and whaddya know? He didn't even get a World title reign down the road for doing this either!

 

Steiner - It took Vince Russo, Midajah, a baseball bat, and a lead pipe. And they used the "passed out in the Steiner Recliner" finish

 

::clears throat:: ALL of Steiner's matches during his late-2000 run were horrifically overbooked - Russo felt the need to incorporate Midajah and lead pipes into every match Steiner worked in, to cover Steiner's weaknesses (and further his heel heat).

 

Booker - was supposed to job clean to him on a Monday Nitro. They had to change much of the script to Goldberg's liking because he didn't want to job clean. And it still took a chairshot from Jeff Jarrett (which Shitberg didn't sell, of course) to get Booker to pin him.

 

Booker beat him in TWO MINUTES with the Bookend - Goldberg no-sold all of the shots from Jarret and Cat, so that means Booker's finisher pinned Bill in...once again, TWO MINUTES. Please tell Goldberg DIDN'T lose heat from that.

 

Go find me the show that Goldberg jobbed to Vince Russo on. You might have a little trouble because IT NEVER HAPPENED.

 

My mistake. Goldberg looked like an idiot spearing Russo through the cage, where he beat Booker for the title.

 

The punctured artery was legit but don't tell me it prevented him from showing up on the 4/10/00 re-launch Nitro in a non-physical role. .

 

Considering the amount of workers already booked to appear, I doubt they needed to risk using him, even in a non-physical role. That particular Nitro had everyone under the sun appearing - and anyway, Bret's appearance at the end eliminated people's negative feelings about Goldberg not showing up.

 

He used to pick on Evan Karagias back in WCW and got into a fight with Jericho earlier this year.

 

He challenged both to shoot fights? It's called a backstage scuffle. It doesn't involve MMA holds and throwdowns - they use PUNCHES.

 

Again, Goldberg has only challenged one man to a shoot fight - it was HHH, which he made several mentions of said proposal to, when they had that imfamous confrontation at a comic (?) convention.

 

I don't have a problem with him getting the ball because he's "got it." The problem is he refuses to show any respect to the other guys who did have to pay their dues and work their way up in the business.

 

Please list said signs of not showing respect.

 

My definition of talent is Shawn Michaels pulling great matches out of guys like Sid, not Goldberg throwing around a jobber for two minutes every week on Nitro.

 

And which of these talents drew? Umm, was it GOLDBERG? Why yes...yes, it was.

[haVoc 0]

What was the story with Goldberg choking out Evan Karagias?

[Fökai 0]

What was the story with Goldberg choking out Evan Karagias?

A quick hit from tpww.net -

 

Backstage at the September 4 Nitro, Bill Goldberg and Evan Karagias got into a scuffle when Karagias said something in jest to Goldberg who took it the wrong way. Things between the two were ironed out later...

[Adam 0]

Australia didn't want Goldberg anyway.

[Guest ILiveUnderABridge]

I wish Nash and Hartbreak would win the tag straps for raw cause it would be cooler and lots of older people remember them as good guys and friends.

[razazteca 0]

What an exciting backstory for the Elimination Chamber......NOT.

[Guest EN090]

Goldberg was programmed to have an ego, as instilled by Eric Bischoff's booking. BUT, Bischoff was so far up Hogan and Nash's ass, he didn't have the time to come up for air and address Goldberg's possible concerns with his direction.

 

What possible concerns could Goldberg have? He was getting paid a fat contract to squash jobbers every week.

 

In the summer of 2000, Goldberg agreed to job to two of the three men I mentioned earlier - and whaddya know? He didn't even get a World title reign down the road for doing this either!

 

So just because Goldberg puts two other main eventers over (and bitches about putting over Booker - I'll get to that) he needs the belt put on him? Gimme a break.

 

::clears throat:: ALL of Steiner's matches during his late-2000 run were horrifically overbooked - Russo felt the need to incorporate Midajah and lead pipes into every match Steiner worked in, to cover Steiner's weaknesses (and further his heel heat)

 

They were overbooked but I highly doubt that Goldberg would job clean, if asked.

 

Booker beat him in TWO MINUTES with the Bookend - Goldberg no-sold all of the shots from Jarret and Cat, so that means Booker's finisher pinned Bill in...once again, TWO MINUTES. Please tell Goldberg DIDN'T lose heat from that.

 

It's funny how you talk about how my claims are unfounded yet you don't bother checking any of your facts before opening your mouth. Unlike your "Russo beating Goldberg" myth, which was COMPLETELY fabricated, there is a lot more to this match and to that whole show. First, This was the second match of the night between the two as Goldberg beat Booker in the first. In the second match, Goldberg was beaten after Jarrett and the Cat interfered. Book got the 1-2-3 and that was followed by Goldberg getting RIGHT BACK UP and delivering the spear/Jackhammer combo to Book as the show went of the air. It made Booker look like a complete chump.

 

That entire show had to be re-written thanks to Goldberg.

 

Read page 3 of this Daily Lariat----

http://www.1wrestling.com/columns/lariat/d...eid=2346&page=3

 

He challenged both to shoot fights? It's called a backstage scuffle. It doesn't involve MMA holds and throwdowns - they use PUNCHES.

 

Call it whatever you want...I call it Goldberg trying to acting like a child and showing how big his ego really is.

 

Please list said signs of not showing respect.

 

For one, balking at putting over Booker T as I mentioned before. Just go read one of his website chats and you'll get plenty more.

 

And which of these talents drew? Umm, was it GOLDBERG? Why yes...yes, it was.

 

Goldberg drew when WCW as a whole was doing good. When WCW as a whole was doing bad Goldberg didn't draw jack. Same with Michaels - when he was at his peak the entire company was in a hole.

Edited August 23, 2003 by EN090

[Ultra Violence 0]

What an exciting backstory for the Elimination Chamber......NOT.

It would be interesting if they turned the elimination chamber into a shoot fight.

 

Goldberg, Jericho and HHH would all be going at it.

[Guest MikeSC]

Here's a guy who played just as much (if not more) politics in WCW as Nash did and as HBK did in the WWF.

 

Goldberg was a head booker for an entire wrestling company?

 

Goldberg had his own stable of brown-nosers willing to stick up for him, while refusing jobs and using Goldberg's status as World champion?

 

...had several Monday Nitro's completely re-written to please him

 

Why, thank you for referring to wrestlezone.com for your news and rumors.

 

 

Refused to job and sell moves (even to Booker T, the WCW champion at the time)

 

Yet he jobbed to Steiner, Booker and VINCE FREAKING RUSSO so that they'd be perceived as World title threats - your claims are not only unfounded, but has a good chance of being fabricated(refused to sell moves?) to damage his reputation.

 

milked injuries

 

Right, like the punctured ARTERY in his arm, when he punched through a limosouine window for a STORYLINE.

 

challenged guys to shoot fights

 

One founded example and that's of the same man (Triple H) who has been talking down about Goldberg, even though Bill has done TRIPLE the business than HHH as a face champion.

 

and acted like he was god's gift to wrestling.

 

Demanding money because he's already a ready-made star is BAD, right?

 

And the sad thing is that he didn't pay any dues in the business, and had everything handed to him on a silver platter.

 

Pay any dues? What is this, being a comedian?

 

Fuck, if an agent or trainer sees SOMETHING in you, fuck training in the Power Plant or OVW, you're coming up RIGHT NOW. It's happened with countless guys over the last decade.

OK, point-by-point:

 

1) GB refused to work with Jericho. GB refused to play heel when asked and did everything in his power to sabotage it.

 

GB did PLENTY to screw companies up.

 

2) I read those same stories years ago on "reputable" sites.

 

3) GB jobbed to Steiner? You mean the match where it took Midajah and Russo nailing him with a friggin' lead pipe to take him down? Way to build up Scotty, there. (Not that Steiner was worth pushing).

 

Wasn't aware he jobbed to Russo. If you mean that horrid Triple cage match, spearing Russo through the cage to give Vinnie the win isn't exactly "putting" anybody "over".

 

And he totally overshadowed Booker when Booker was the champ.

 

4) No, he punctured his artery because the window didn't break on cue and he got mad. The man is borderline psychotic.

 

5) Um, he challenged Austin also.

 

And, for all of his problems, the WWE didn't DIE when he was the "top draw" --- something WCW DID with GB as THEIR top attraction. WWE w/ HHH as champ in 2000 did more money than WCW ever did with GB.

 

GB drew for about a year --- and didn't draw again after that. And he won't draw now.

 

6) GB is a ready-made star? Explains WCW's huge boost when he came back in 2000. Oh wait, nothing improved.

 

7) So, GB not paying dues is OK because we would have done it? Interesting logic.

-=Mike

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3) GB jobbed to Steiner? You mean the match where it took Midajah and Russo nailing him with a friggin' lead pipe to take him down? Way to build up Scotty, there. (Not that Steiner was worth pushing).

 

Point was made a few days ago, that Steiner rarely was booked to win cleanly as a heel. Russo took the ass-backwards route of overbooking every Scott Steiner match in 2000 with foreign objects and interference.

 

Proof? Looking at his PPV history in 2000 -

 

Souled Out - NO MATCH.

 

Superbrawl - NO MATCH.

 

Uncensored - NO MATCH.

 

Spring Stampede - beat Awesome with interference of Nash using a crutch.

 

Spring Stampede - beat Sting with interference of Vampiro.

 

Slamboree - beats DeMott with interference of nWo girls.

 

Great American Bash - uses chain to defeat Tank Abbott & Rick Steiner.

 

Bash at the Beach - loses to Awesome, after usage of chair, after Miller interferes, then Miller prevents him from winning and strips him of his U.S. title.

 

New Blood Rising - pinfall loss to Nash.

 

Fall Brawl - defeats Goldberg with use of lead pipe.

 

Halloween Havoc - intentionally DQ'ed after using lead pipe on Booker and various referees.

 

Mayhem - defeats Booker with use of steel chair in "Caged Heat" match.

 

Starrcade - defeats Sid with interference of Jarrett, after use of lead pipe.

 

 

Wasn't aware he jobbed to Russo. If you mean that horrid Triple cage match, spearing Russo through the cage to give Vinnie the win isn't exactly "putting" anybody "over".

 

He SHOULD be putting Russo over? And he should make sure to look even more like a neanderthal?

 

I admitted that I was wrong on the account that he jobbed to Russo - that spear was from the Booker/Russo title match, which made Goldy look like more of a jackass for costing Booker the title.

 

And he totally overshadowed Booker when Booker was the champ.

 

I could counter with a "And whose fault was that?" quip, but it's not worth the argument. Booker was given the belt at horrible spots in the company, so not only did those who were booked to look invincible (Goldberg, Steiner) overshadowed him, but he was given the worst feuds to build on.

 

 

4) No, he punctured his artery because the window didn't break on cue and he got mad. The man is borderline psychotic.

 

Uhh, NO. The pipe laid in his arm sleeve (which was there to puncture the window) slipped, so he instead threw a full-force punch with his HAND going through the window first.

 

 

5) Um, he challenged Austin also.

 

Again, his only serious threats were against HHH - he mentioned this ad nauseum in interviews in 1999.

 

 

And, for all of his problems, the WWE didn't DIE when he was the "top draw" --- something WCW DID with GB as THEIR top attraction. WWE w/ HHH as champ in 2000 did more money than WCW ever did with GB.

 

HHH as a HEEL CHAMPION did that. The post was referring to HHH as a face champ, which did HORRIBLE business and drew bad buyrates.

 

 

GB drew for about a year --- and didn't draw again after that. And he won't draw now.

 

When was he booked properly after his initial streak ended in December 1998? The company put their focus on everyone BUT Goldberg in the waning years, including extra title reigns for Sting, Hogan, Nash and Sid.

 

 

6) GB is a ready-made star? Explains WCW's huge boost when he came back in 2000. Oh wait, nothing improved.

 

"Ready-made" meaning a star from the WCW's boom period. In his mind, he SHOULDN'T consider himself a ready-made star, when Vince laid out a contact that treated him as such?

 

Example 1 - Booking him over the WWE's top attraction (The Rock) in his first PPV.

 

 

7) So, GB not paying dues is OK because we would have done it? Interesting logic.

 

No, because ANYONE in his shoes would've done it, and that person is a liar if he/she says otherwise.

 

 

NOTE: I answered every question fully and to the best of my knowledge over two days ago - my apologies if any of this came off as hostile.

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

Last I checked, the WWE champions since early 2001 weren't drawing anything except flies. Bringing up face HHH against Goldberg proves nothing really because no one was drawing in that environment. A 2000 face HHH might have been a totally different story.

[Guest EN090]

I could counter with a "And whose fault was that?" quip, but it's not worth the argument.

 

It's not worth the argument because you're wrong. It was Goldberg's fault, like I explained to you earlier.

 

Booker was given the belt at horrible spots in the company, so not only did those who were booked to look invincible (Goldberg, Steiner) overshadowed him, but he was given the worst feuds to build on.

 

Again, what part of "Goldberg refusing to put over Booker clean" do you not understand?

 

The way it was written was for Booker, the WCW champ at the time, to overshadow Goldberg and add some credibility to his title reign. It didn't work out that way because Goldberg had too big of an ego. You can keep trying to put a spin on it but it won't work.

 

Again, his only serious threats were against HHH - he mentioned this ad nauseum in interviews in 1999.

 

I don't see how the HHH thing is more serious than Goldberg challenging Austin, threatening Karagias, and getting into a scuffle with Jericho.

 

No, because ANYONE in his shoes would've done it, and that person is a liar if he/she says otherwise.

 

Yeah but not everyone would let it go to their head and act like an asshole.