Tawren 0 Report post Posted September 1, 2003 Have you ever seen the original? I know that the Hurricane isn't trying to do the move the exact same way that Keiji Muto does it. Muto jumps off of his opponents knee and knees them in the head. The Hurricane kindof does a running leg lariat. Isn't Hurricane's an entirely different move Shining Black Wizard, not Shining Wizard, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. S£im Citrus 0 Report post Posted September 1, 2003 Yeah, I always thought that the move was supposed to be a Shining Black, and JR just called the move wrong, because... well, because JR's old and senile... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Coffey Report post Posted September 1, 2003 Well, it was 'supposed' to be the Shining Wizard. The Hurricane made a joke once stating something to the effect of "It's not really a Shinning Wizard. It's not as good, maybe it should be called the Shinning Black." It was something like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted September 1, 2003 Yeah, I always thought that the move was supposed to be a Shining Black, and JR just called the move wrong, because... well, because JR's old and senile... Jim Ross, you're stupid. And old. And nobody likes you because you're stupid and old. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted September 1, 2003 Yeah, I always thought that the move was supposed to be a Shining Black, and JR just called the move wrong, because... well, because JR's old and senile... Jim Ross, you're stupid. And old. And nobody likes you because you're stupid and old. Oh, good 'ol Bret Hart. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AlcoHALLicForLife Report post Posted September 1, 2003 Orton does the Diamond cutter terribly. I don't think it's bad. It's not a Diamond Cutter either. It's the RKO, his version of the DC. With that being said, it's just his way of doing it, putting his own spin into the move. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Coffey Report post Posted September 1, 2003 With the WWE calling it the "RKO" it seems like they are acknowledging Mark Mero's "TKO" and trying to ignore Johnny Ace & DDP. Maybe that's just that way I look at it. That's why I always call it the "Super Orton Cutter." I think it's a funny name, and it's basically a super sloppy diamond cutter so the name makes sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest T0rrent Report post Posted September 1, 2003 Wow, 4th page and no one mentioned that fruity People's Elbow Jeff Hardy did on the Rock the night before he got fired?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adam 0 Report post Posted September 1, 2003 He did? I don't remember that, but I do remember it was a good match to finish off on, and Rock made him look like a million bucks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted September 1, 2003 Let's not forget the People's Kneedrop by Lenny Lane Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Real Nosferatu Report post Posted September 2, 2003 How bout Vince McMahons crappy Peoples Elbow he did a few times in 2000. (once he connectd, at KOTR Rock caught him before he finished) Hardys was gayer than John from the SImpsons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2003 No, I can't say that i have seen the orginal. But to the untrained eye sort of speak, it doesn't look sloppy. If you've seen the original, only two possibilites exist. a) Helms is doing a variation of the move, as some have postulated here, or b) He's doing one hell of a fucked-up, retarded version of Mutoh's SW. I mean, seriously. George Hines can do it better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dandy 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2003 The RKO quite possibly gets the name due to the knock out reference, Orton's arrogance and his character wanting to name his finisher after himself, and the fact that Randy Keith Orton's initials are.....................R.K.O. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adam 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2003 They said RKO his enitials last week on RAW dude. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Rising Star Report post Posted September 2, 2003 (edited) Whose version of the Over Castle is better? Hurricane or Buff? Do you mean the Blockbuster/Diamond Dust? Masato Tanaka does the best. Sting has the best ScorpionDeathlock /Sharpshooter ever. The speed and the pressure is very well executed. Essa Rios' moonsault is the best in the business. Edited September 3, 2003 by The Rising Star Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vermilion 0 Report post Posted September 3, 2003 Whose version of the Over Castle is better? Hurricane or Buff? Do you mean the Blockbuster/Diamond Dust? Masato Tanaka does the best. They are seperate moves. The Blockbuster is a flipping neckbreaker and the Diamond Dust is a flipping stunner. The guy taking the move is facing the complete opposite way. Hurricane's Shining Wizard isn't that bad..........but it's certainly not the Shining Wizard. Mutoh does a knee to the head and Helms does an enzuigiri, correct? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adam 0 Report post Posted September 3, 2003 You can't possibly think that Stings Sharpshooter > Bret Harts Sharpshooter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notJames 0 Report post Posted September 3, 2003 Not to be a pedant or anything, but Hurricane's Buff Blockbuster is called the Overcast… it's a weather reference, like the Eye of the Storm. And I must say that Trish Stratus' "spinebuster" is horrendous. And technically, it should be called a sidewalk slam ala Ron Simmons since the attacker doesn't spin around. And the thing they call a sidewalk slam should really be called a side salto or side slam ala Dino Bravo. Unfortunately, that got bastardized in the '90s, most likely by Vince McMahon or Tony Schiavone. My head hurts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spaceman Spiff 0 Report post Posted September 3, 2003 Yeah, much like some people's figure 4. It's kind of stupid I remember Dean Malenko trying to put the Figure 4 on somebody, and he couldn't quite figure it out. He ended up maneuvering his opponents legs into position, then sticking his own leg through the "hole". Guess that was the 1 move he *didn't* know Yeah, I always thought that the move was supposed to be a Shining Black, and JR just called the move wrong, because... well, because JR's old and senile... To be fair, Helms started doing the move on SD, and Tazz and/or Cole called it the Shining Wizard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Cucaracha 0 Report post Posted September 3, 2003 Lesnar's 'Angle Slam' on Shelton Benjamin early in the year/late last year during the Team Angle gauntlet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dubq 0 Report post Posted September 3, 2003 Rocky's stunner sucks as bad as Hall's. Rocky did a Crippler Crossface back in 00 that sucked as I recall. He also did a shitacular Ankle Lock, didn't he? Rock should stick to his own moves. Don't forget Rocky's crappy Pedigree at Judgement Day 2000... This is what caused the ban on piledrivers. HHH was woozy and couldn't remember the last few minutes of the match because of the Rock's pedigree...but Vince thought it was the tombstone and banned piledrivers....at least that's how I remember it... I've always heard that it was actually Undertaker's Tombstone on HHH in that match which gave him a Stinger and caused the ban. Dames I believe you're correct there, sir. It was when The Undertaker debuted as the American Bad Ass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dubq 0 Report post Posted September 3, 2003 If you recall Austin's early versions of the Stunner, it was slow and wasn't as nice visually as it became later. His stunner's just a more dramatic variation of the stun-gun he used in WCW. I thought the Stungun was the Hotshot, when you get the guy held up like a spinebuster but fall back so his neck bounces off the rope. By the way, yes, the seminal Stone Cold Stunner was different in that he took a little longer to position the guy and I think may have gotten off the ground a bit more with it. It wasn't the fluid motion of the KICK-WHAM-STUNNER we see today. Ecto Cooler is on crack, the SCS is nowhere close to being a Stun Gun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Rising Star Report post Posted September 21, 2003 You can't possibly think that Stings Sharpshooter > Bret Harts Sharpshooter. Oh, yes I do. And Benoit's Sharpshooter is better than Bret's too. Benoit used the Sharpshooter (Sasorigatame) already in the 80's, as well as British Bulldog and Ted DiBiase. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted September 21, 2003 RESURRECTION! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted September 21, 2003 AHHH!! Van Hammer as a glam rocker! Kidding--I hated Gill. I'd like to nominate any "wrestling moves" that Coach or JR attempt tomorrow night for this topic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
