HHH's vendetta against RVD

[Guest MikeSC]

RVD vs. Doug Furnas -- Natural Born Killaz

RVD vs. Bam Bam Bigelow -- House Party '98

RVD vs. Jerry Lynn -- Hardcore Heaven '99

RVD vs. Jerry Lynn -- Living Dangerously '99

RVD vs. Dan Kroffat --All Japan

RVD & Johnny Smith vs. Mitsuharu Misawa & kenta Kobashi -- All Japan

RVD & Johnny Smith vs. Yoshinari Ogawa & Tsuyoshi Kikuchi -- All Japan

RVD & Gary Albright vs. Toshiaki Kawada & Tsuyoshi Kikuchi -- All Japan

 

 

See I can name off a bunch of matches too and just add in......"These are just off the top of my head and are better than ANY thing HHH has done" but unless you have seen every single one of those matches, you can't really say which is better.

 

Oh and as far as the HHH/Foley matches go. Those were just as spotty and as garbage match style as anything RVD has done. The matches were pretty standard and dull until Foley started bumping like a maniac and blading all to hell or falling off a cell, so I am not sure what, if anything that has to do with Triple H other than he was the chosen one to beat Foley upside the head with a Sledgehammer/barbedwire baseball bat etc........

 

If you are tying to claim RVD can't grapple and/or is not good at it, then you just simply don't know what you are talking about. I repeat, watch his Japanese work. There are plenty of websites that sell comp tapes of his japanese matches. Of course I am not expecting you to watch Benoit talent in the ring, but you can watch his japan work and see as plain as day that RVD can adapt to whatever style he has chosen or has BEEN TOLD to work. If WWE wanted him grappling and working a more WWE-main event style, he is plently able to do it. However his style that he is currently using is what is getting him over with the crowd.

Haven't seen enough of his AJPW stuff to comment --- but you HAVE to be kidding about his ECW stuff.

 

Rewatch his crap with Lynn. 30 minute matches with more dead time than a Big Show v Rosie Ironman match (spot - pose - talk to the camera - spot - retry spot since he missed it). You can't HONESTLY think that THOSE are even in the above-average range of matches (though, if you do, I REALLY have doubts about the quality of his AJPW work). And his match with Furnas was blah --- as per usual.

 

There has NEVER been a more overrated series in some circles than RVD v Jerry Lynn. Not one of their matches was in the same ballpark as a MOTYC. Not a single one.

 

"Oh, but the IWC LOVED those matches". The IWC would call ECW static a solid 4-star affair. Heck, some people actually called Barely Legal a terrific PPV, which shows how positively ABSURD many of the smarks were in regards to ECW.

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

RVD vs. Doug Furnas -- Natural Born Killaz

RVD vs. Bam Bam Bigelow -- House Party '98

RVD vs. Jerry Lynn -- Hardcore Heaven '99

RVD vs. Jerry Lynn -- Living Dangerously '99

RVD vs. Dan Kroffat --All Japan

RVD & Johnny Smith vs. Mitsuharu Misawa & kenta Kobashi -- All Japan

RVD & Johnny Smith vs. Yoshinari Ogawa & Tsuyoshi Kikuchi -- All Japan

RVD & Gary Albright vs. Toshiaki Kawada & Tsuyoshi Kikuchi -- All Japan

 

 

See I can name off a bunch of matches too and just add in......"These are just off the top of my head and are better than ANY thing HHH has done" but unless you have seen every single one of those matches, you can't really say which is better.

 

 

Here's the list of Rob Van Dam's matches (*SINGLES* matches on *PPV*) that I rate as being "good matches".

 

Vs Jerry Lynn, Living Dangerously '99

Vs Jerry Lynn, Hardcore Heaven '99

Vs Ballz Mahoney, Anarchy Rulz '99

Vs Sabu, Guilty As Charged '00

Vs Jerry Lynn, Hardcore Heaven '00

Vs Scotty Anton, Heat Wave '00

Vs Rhino, Anarchy Rulz '00

Vs Jerry Lynn, Guilty As Charged '01

Vs Jeff Hardy, InVasion

Vs Jeff Hardy, Summerslam '01

Vs Chris Jericho, Unforgiven '01

Vs Eddie Guerrero, Judgement Day '02

Vs Chris Benoit, Summerslam '02

 

 

That's 13 matches!

 

Not even including TV matches, such as the TV title win against Bam Bam Bigelow or the RAW match vs Eddie, or tag team matches, such as w/Sabu vs Hayabusa and Jinsei Shinzaki at Heat Wave '98 or w/Jerry Lynn vs Lance Storm and Justin Credible at Heat Wave '99 (I could also include Japanese matches that I have seen, such as vs Sabu or vs Dan Kroffat).

I've seen so little of RVD's AJPW work to comment. I DOUBT he suddenly becomes Guerrero over there, but I won't comment --- except to say that if THESE matches are "great" in your eyes, I have SERIOUS questions.

 

OK, in order:

v Lynn (LD '99) --- VERY spotty and the set-up for OT wa BEYOND idiotic. More solid than their rematch, but it wasn't even the best spotfest (or match --- in ECW, they seldom differed) on the card.

v Lynn (Heaven '99) --- Perhaps if RVD didn't spend the, you know, ENTIRE match walking around (or, in other words, STALLING), it MIGHT have been good. But he did, and it was not. Shockingly, slap on a headlock and ECW marks chant "boring". Walk around and do nothing and you have soiled shorts.

v Mahoney (AR '99) --- This is a joke, right? Right? Oh God, you're SERIOUS? Stalling and WAY too much reliance on props, hoping that the mayhem will make fans not realize how bad the match is. Works well for the mind-numbed ECW zombie --- but for a fan of wrestling, it reeked.

v Sabu (GAC 2K) --- spot --- STALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

LLLLLLLLLL - spot. Umm, next?

v Anton (HW 2K) --- Well, it was better than expected --- but so ws McMahon v Hogan. Doesn't make it good. Absolute lack of psychology and the Van Terminator just kind of stretches that whole suspension of disbelief thing, huh? I can't blame Rob solely for this as Scotty is just crap in the ring.

v Rhino (AR '00) --- OK, Rhino in ECW ws unmitigated crap. Let's just be real honest about that here. Care to guess my feelings on this match? Tons of stalling, which shows that ECW did RVD NO favors by asking him to fill up a lot of time as he is painfully uequipped to do that.

v Lynn (GAC '01) --- Well, the fait accompli match. As bad as the usual RVD v Lynn match (meaning not THAT bad, just really average), but FAR more dull. Just a yawner.

v Hardy --- RVD's WWF/E work was MUCH better than his ECW work as they gave him MUCH less time to kill. Still, these matches were STILL spot - stall - spot. Fun every so often, but both guys "offenses" are offensive.

v Jericho (Unforgiven 2001) --- EASILY Rob's best match in the company. Almost 4 stars. RVD wasn't carried, either.

v Guerrero --- Well, JD was the best match of their series, so it's the best choice. A total carry jobby Eddy, but Rob WAS carryable.

v Benoit --- Benoit has not been as good since his surgery, let's get that out of the way. Pretty good match, but Rob can't sell for his life and Benoit works best with a guy with a tiny ability to produce ring psychology.

v BBB --- terrific match. I don't know how it happened as their OTHER matches were rather bad.

v Eddy --- I assume you mean the ladder match. It was pretty good, but ladder matches are overdone and it makes ALL of them, including this one, less impressive.

tag match at HW '98 --- Oh, sweet God, you cannot be serious. A BAD spotfest is "great"? Slow, tedious, and tons of missed spots that took FOREVER to set up in the first place.

tag match at HW '99 --- the personification of "OK". Spotfest (and, as usual with RVD, they ANNIHILATE the entire concept of "suspension of disbelief".

 

You can mention any Sabu match you want as none (and I've seen plenty) were much to write home about.

 

HHH's work towers over this. HHH v Foley at Rumble blows ALL of these matches out of the water --- and the HITC the next month was better than that. I'd say that about 3 of RVD's matches were in the "great" range --- HHH had that many in the first 2 months of 2000.

-=Mike

[NoCalMike 0]

That isn't MY LIST.....but RVD vs. Sabu at GAC was their WORST match ever.(I believe that was the one where Sabu threw up and was sick with the flu)

 

A Matter of Respect '96 was great.

Stretcher Match in 96' was great until the finish.

 

Since you don't like the RVD/Lynn series, scratch those off my list for your liking, and take the rest into consideration.

 

As far as the AJPW goes, it has nothing to do with RVD being Guererro. (Plus, HHH is no Guererro anyway) RVD was an instant hit in Japan mainly because of his ABILITY TO ADAPT to their style. Killing the notion that he isn't "capable of working the wwe style"

 

HHH's work in the Foley matches was pretty standard, run of the mill stuff. He used his three or four knee manuevers and then pulled out a sledgehammer and started nailing Foley with it, and Foley bumped like a madman. Both matches were over simply because of Foley bumping. HHH didn't do anything special to make the match memorable. He was just "said worker" who got to destory Foley. If one wrestler is willing to bump and just totally put the other guy over then generally the match would go the same way no matter who it was against. Compare those matches with HBK/FOLEY or Rock/Foley and you are going to remember a lot more to those matches besides strictly Foley's bumps.

 

Look I don't know where this argument turned into who is the better worker, but I will gladly take equal blame. Maybe we should just stop right now because the point has become moot. I mean all it has become for the last page is, "I like this match better" then "well I don't, I like this better"

[Jobber of the Week 0]

HHH's work towers over this. HHH v Foley at Rumble blows ALL of these matches out of the water --- and the HITC the next month was better than that.

This is why I wish Foley would come back. Just the one night he came back and gave his first promo and HHH interrupted as per the usual he had a fire going that was missing in each and every one of the "blah blah I'm better than you blah blah" promos.

 

Maybe he's just pissed that Mick has nothing more to prove or something.

[Guest TheAnvil]

Hey nitwit that's why i said that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, i got my opinion and you got yours. I'm not going to sit here and try to change your mind about RVD, he might not be your favorite but that doesn't take the fact that he is very over with the fans. You talk about my blind hate for Goldberg, but you fail to mention about your blind hate towards RVD,i got nothing against Goldberg but it doesn't make any sense for Vince to push him since he won't be around much longer.But we could argue all day long and i'll be wasting my valuable time, i rather go pick my boogers.

 

You really don't get it do you? Can you read? I'm not saying you can't have a difference of opinion, I'm saying you did nothing to back your opinion. You stated the reasons that people don't like RVD and instead of giving your reasons for liking him, you said it sounds like Goldberg. That isn't a discussion of any type. Next thing you know, you'll start talking about someone's mom.

 

I don't have blind hate for RVD. I listed the reasons I don't like RVD. I don't hate RVD, he's probably a helluva guy. That doesn't mean I have to like him in the ring, or think he deserves a push.

[Guest TheAnvil]

Fans related to Austin.  Who's gonna relate to RVD?  What does RVD represent?  Stoners?  Drugs aren't cool.  Bottom line.

Drugs aren't cool????????lol, who's this Nancy Reagan or a pimply teen-age virgin?LMAO.

Well, you didn't go so far as to talk about my mom, but close. I like where you can't make an argument, so you try to insult people. Grow up.

 

In response, I'm neither Nancy Reagan, a virgin, or teenage. I'm old enough to know better. I'm sorry that I want to get places in life.

 

RVD is a solid worker. But there are far better workers in the company that would be better off pushed. Val Venis is far better than RVD in the ring, and could be over if given TV time. Lance Storm is better than RVD, and looks to be on the verge of getting over. I'd prefer a Hurricane push to an RVD push anyday. If you look at it, there are people who have been with the company longer that are just as deserving as RVD.

[CanadianChick 0]

This has been said before,but for the hell of it, I'll say it again. RVD should get pushed becauses he is over. Here's the thing that bugs me: why would WWE put so much effort in pushing guys to the moon when they have others, who they've hardly pushed or not pushed at all, that are crazy over? It's mind boggling sometimes. It hasn't been proven that RVD draws or doesn't draw because he's never had that oppertunity. But I'm incline to believe that he would have a better shot at being a ratings draw than someone who gets no reaction.

[Internet Warfare 0]

RVD was ready for the gold a couple of months ago when he was at his peak of "overness" but now how are they gonna portay a pot smoking guy as a serious threat for the world title. Just because he's over does not mean he should get the gold.

 

Just a marks point of view.

[CanadianChick 0]

Why not? Obviously, his character would need a bit of tweaking, but he's constantly been over for two and a half years almost. He keeps the fan's interest. The fans like him. If they gave him a half decent push, he'd be more than ready to have the gold

[Ultra Violence 0]

Goldberg may be shite in the wrestling department, but at least he has an ounce of charisma and ring presence..

hey I disagree RVD does have "an ounce" of charisma

[El Psycho Diablo 0]

It never fails to amuse me how many pathetic pot jokes people can make in one thread.

 

What's the big deal? Some of the biggest IWC darlings have been walking ads for sterioids, and nobody calls -that- into account..

[NoCalMike 0]

It never fails to amuse me how many pathetic pot jokes people can make in one thread.

 

What's the big deal? Some of the biggest IWC darlings have been walking ads for sterioids, and nobody calls -that- into account..

well that and the fact that it is pretty lame to call marijuana a drug in the first place.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

You need both overness and credibility to be ready for a world title run. Of course, this isn't the way that WWE does things, but stay with me. He is still over, but it is going to take a long time to build him up again after the way he has been damaged. People aren't going to pay to see the guy they like lose. If he loses fine, but if going in he isn't viewed as having a chance by the fans they won't order the show.

 

It took Kurt Angle from May 2002 to January 2003 to fully recover from the damage that the Edge feud did to him, and it took a series of great matches with the Smackdown Six (especially Benoit), dominance over said group, a World Title win over the only guy to beat Brock up to that point, and his own gang of thugs to do his bidding. And at no point was he ever as damaged as RVD is now. We're looking at a year or more of steady pushing for RVD before he is ready for the main event level. With guys like Jericho around who can get the same result in a fraction of the time, it probably isn't a good idea to invest that much time in RVD.

[Internet Warfare 0]

yeah, and RVD wont bring the credibility.

[humongous2002 0]

yeah, and RVD wont bring the credibility.

This is funny coming from a guy that has RVD in his poster image.RVD is over w/o any push, so imagine if he was actually being showcased as a true main player with a world title reign, if that happens and RVD fails to meet any of the fans expectations then i'll be the first one asking for his ass to be put back in midcard or undercard level. And by the way he's got more credibility that HHH has right now, putting good matches for one year doesn't make you a true franchise.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

RVD's work in AJPW wasn't anything special. Just because he was surrounded by great wrestlers doesn't mean he was any good.

[alfdogg 0]

It's not always a damn carry, BR.

[LucharesuFan619 0]

Most people assume that HHH has a vendetta against RVD because of him working stiff and sloppy, but I think that it goes waay deeper than that. Now, we all know how insecure and easily threatened Trips is. We also remember how crazy over RVD was during the InVasion angle in 2001. Do you know how much that must have killed Trips? He had to sit in his hotel room every Monday and Thursday night and watch this guy 10x more athletic and naturally charismatic than him, who worked a stiff and unorthodox style, getting over with absolutely NO HELP from the front office...unlike Trips, who was shoved down our throats in 1999 by the powers that be. And unlike these days with his short-term injuries like blood clots and groin injuries, there was NOTHING that he could do about it...he was a good six-eight months away from being able to bury RVD. Do you know how much that must have killed him, watching an ECW guy/Jericho version 2.0 connecting with the fans and getting thrust into a main event only a few months after his debut?

 

So he comes back in 2002, working as a babyface, and he heads to the Royal Rumble. And who is the very first guy that he buries? RVD, with the infamous 10-minute Pedigree of DOOM. This was almost a year before RVD crushed his throat with the botched Five-Star, and I think that this demonstrates that HHH had his sights set on RVD from the very beginning.

You yourself admit that RVD was stiff. What you don't admit was that he was TOO stiff, to the point that wrestlers were complaining. So I think HHH would have a legit complain about RVD, considering HHH is a fantastic worker, 10x that of RVD, who doesn't wrestle, but rather does gymnastics. HHH may be a moron, but he's not wrong in every case, although I know so many of you would like to think that he is.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

yeah, and RVD wont bring the credibility.

This is funny coming from a guy that has RVD in his poster image.RVD is over w/o any push, so imagine if he was actually being showcased as a true main player with a world title reign, if that happens and RVD fails to meet any of the fans expectations then i'll be the first one asking for his ass to be put back in midcard or undercard level. And by the way he's got more credibility that HHH has right now, putting good matches for one year doesn't make you a true franchise.

I'm not talking about that. Even if people want RVD to win against HHH, they won't watch if they don't think he stands a chance. This goes for anybody. HHH has beaten all challengers so decisively that people are trained to expect him to win every time. This is why people were practically screaming for Kane to get a monster push. He was squashing so many people, that in the eyes of marks, he might stand a chance at taking down Trip. Of course, they blew that, but the point remains. Even if RVD wins the World Title on Monday, everyone will just expect him to job it right back. It will take time for him to become a serious threat again. RVD is in worse shape than most, because he just got squashed by the guy who can't beat a McMahon kid.

 

Maven is a bigger threat than RVD at this point.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

HHH will always be a jealous bitch.

[Highland 0]

HHH will always be a jealous bitch.

Jealous of RVD's overness with the fans? Maybe, but that's all he needs to be jealous of. RVD ain't the one banging Vince's daughter and calling the shots, now is he?

 

oh, and HHH is many things, mostly bad, but I'd call him a genius (see above)

[Guest BionicRedneck]

^ Bingo. If anything RVD should be jealous of Trips.

[Guest Coffey]

I don't think that Rob Van Dam should be WWE main event material either. At least not yet. He is missing the "X factor." Hulk Hogan, although lacking in the wrestling department, made up for it in the charisma department. He was great at telling a story and adding emotion to both his matches and storylines leading up to said match. The Rock has it too. RVD doesn't bring that to the table. The Intercontinental Heavyweight division is fine for him. If superstars of yesteryear such as "Ravashing" Rick Rude & Mr. Perfect couldn't get past the IC level, there is no way that RVD should. I guarantee you that Rude had more of the main event tools needed than Rob does. Rude could talk, get heat, and tell a believable story with his believable offense during his matches. Yes, I realize that the face of wrestling has changed over the years, but the fundamentals, for the most part, are still the same. RVD can't talk, and most of his offense is unbelievable. We, as fans, can only suspend out disbelief to a certain degree.

 

Rob Van Dam can not talk well enough to get himself over on promos alone. As a main eventer in the WWE, you have to be able to kick the show off with an extensive in-ring promo. RVD couldn't do that. I love when people try to defend his microphone/promo skills. "He says what needs to be said." "It fits into his stoner gimmick." "He's just laid back." Bullshit. It makes it sound like he's a fucking downer that doesn't give a damn if he is employed or not, let alone if he wins or not. When has the WWE ever mentioned his "stoner persona?" A little light might have shown through via commentary or a promo, but only followers of ECW would've caught on to it. Besides, doing drugs does not make you cool. Why should the WWE make note of it? They shouldn't.

 

I've pointed them out before, but seeing as how this is a new topic, I'll point them out again. So, here is a list of a few moves that Rob Van Dam uses, sometimes each move in every match, that I think he needs to improve on. This fits into the unbelievable offense of his that I mentioned earlier.

• Forearm Shots

   

  I still can't figure out why RVD doesn't just throw punches like everyone else. His punches look better than his forearms, and they fit in the WWE style more. If he wants to main event in the WWE, then he should do what the WWE wants. That makes sense doesn't it? I've pointed this out before, but during the cage match with Kane on Raw a few weeks back, RVD used punches instead of his normal forearm shivers. It looked a lot better too. He should do that all the time.

• Corner Shoulder Thrusts

   

  When on the outside looking in, the corner shoulder thrusts aren't such a bad move. RVD finishes with a Frog Splash, so the shoulder blocks to the midsection definitely add a little bit of psychology to RVD matches. He's building up towards his finisher, and trying to weaken his opponents midsection. OK, that makes sense. What doesn't make sense, as it has been pointed out numerous times, is RVD doing a backflip before connecting with the third shoulder block. Why does he even do it? It looks hokey, it doesn't impress anyone, and if you're thinking about it as much as me, you should realize that it would just give the opponent more time to recover and stop/counter the final blow. That's just bad wrestling if you ask me. Once again, during the cage match with Kane, RVD switched this move up. Kane was stuck on the outside ring apron between the cage and the ropes. RVD hit two shoulder blocks, then bounced off the opposite side ropes to gain momentum going into the third and final shoulder block. Sure, Kane would realistically have time to stop/counter the final blow just like in the previous scenario, but this time, RVD going for the running start actually has a purpose.

• RVD's "Enzuiguri"

   

  Part of the reason why I dislike RVD doing this move isn't even his fault. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't "enzuiguri" mean "back brain kick?" Despite what the commentators label the move, RVD definitely does not kick his opponent in the back of the head. RVD, instead, throws a weak looking kick to his opponents mid-section. Of course, the kick is telegraphed everytime because his opponent always catches the kick. Then, RVD attempts to kick free with his not captured leg. His opponent always ducks this move (which must be due to common sense) but get nailed when RVD comes back the other way with a second attempt (which eliminates tape studying as a reason for dodging the first kick). Anyway, the move never connects correctly. Either the person taking the move won't take the blow (making it look horribly fake) or RVD throws his leg in the wrong place (like against taller people like Test).

• Flying Kick

   

  What a bad move. It just looks bad. RVD always lands awkwardly from the move, so I always think that he is going to get hurt. On top of that, he rarely connects flush with the move so that it doesn't look bad. When he does connect with it properly, he stiffs his opponent and either hurts them or busts them open. I don't know how proper that really is. If he would just change this slop shit move to a missle dropkick he'd be a lot better off.

• Rolling Thunder

   

  Pointless & ugly. Well, I guess it's not completely pointless. It does target the midsection. A normal senton would do more damage. RVD gets a running start, but all the momentum is lost on the ignorant summersault. The move always looks like it takes more out of RVD than his opponent as well. How is this move even credible? I don't understand why anyone would pop for the move. It's never won a match, and everyone knows that it will only get a two count at the most. Hell, even when he adds a chair or something into the equation it isn't enough for more than a two count.

These may seem like little, minor details. The minor details are the ones that matter though. I don't think that Rob Van Dam can carry the company, and that is why he shouldn't win the World Title. You can try to seperate the World Title from the WWE title all you like, but as long as the brand extention is entact, both are important.

 

Now, I'm going to talk about some random things that I would do to change RVD up. Of course, this is all just personal thoughts/ideas, so I don't expect everyone to agree with them or even like them, however I still want to mention them.

 

Rob Van Dam has good finisher and his split-legged moonsault is good too. If he could change his moveset to make these two moves standout more, and make his basic offense less clunky and more believable, that would be a step in the right direction. As far as his promo's go, the WWE could give him a manager/valet. Someone that could talk with/for him during his interviews and whatnot. Bobby Heenan was great at it in the past. He helped get people like Andre the Giant, The Barbarian & Haku through some situations that would've been very awkward without the Brain. RVD had Bill Alfonso in ECW, and although he wasn't the best mouthpiece himself, it helped.

 

So, first thing's first. If RVD is going to the top of the WWE, you have to get him a manager that can be vocal. Someone that doesn't have problems talking. Paul Heyman instantly comes to mind. The WWE could mention their history together (in ECW) & Heyman could remotivate RVD (in storyline). It worked for both Brock Lesnar & The Big Show. The commentators could play up how Heyman can get anyone to the top. If Heyman, or WWE, whoever, make note of RVD's stamina, that could help his matches too. "Rob Van Dam needs to last through the first 15-20 minutes of this match-up. If he can make it through the early offense of his opponent, they will be playing into Rob's game. He has great stamina and can wear down an opponent while they should be catching their breath." Obviously aligning with Heyman would turn RVD heel too. He was a heel/tweener in ECW, and it worked for him then. If RVD is going to cut his "whatever" promo's, then what better way to get heat than to tell that crowd that you couldn't care less about them?

 

Heyman: "Did you hear the crowd for your match Rob? I don't think they like your business relationship with me."

RVD: "Whatever. That's cool."

 

It's gold I tell ya!

 

So, that's what I would do. Give RVD Heyman as a manager and turn RVD heel. Book him in longer matches and make note of his stamina, and how he has to wear down his opponents and take their breath away. Have RVD throw some more stomach/rib/midsection work into his matches and possibly some other moves that take an opponents wind away from them (like sleeper hold variants or whatnot) and he would drastically improve. Or at least I think he would.

[SamoaRowe 0]

It's fine if RVD wants to act like a stoner and all because it's funny the way he does it (not that I think drugs are cool or anything, I think they are stupid). But i agree that it would be wrong for WWE to openly play into it. RVD could have a good "Cheech and Chong" thing going, or something along that nature.

[Guest Super Pissed Smark]

This has been said before,but for the hell of it, I'll say it again. RVD should get pushed becauses he is over. Here's the thing that bugs me: why would WWE put so much effort in pushing guys to the moon when they have others, who they've hardly pushed or not pushed at all, that are crazy over? It's mind boggling sometimes. It hasn't been proven that RVD draws or doesn't draw because he's never had that oppertunity. But I'm incline to believe that he would have a better shot at being a ratings draw than someone who gets no reaction.

 

Vince: "That's crazy talk!"

 

Steph: "Pure insanity!!!"

 

Triple-H: "You just don't understand the business-uh."

 

New writer, about to be fired: "Actually I think she has a few good points--"

 

Vince, Steph and Triple-H: "SHUT UP!!!!"

[Guest Super Pissed Smark]

HHH will always be a jealous bitch.

 

You forgot the words useless and pathetic.

[KTID 0]

and boring and unwatchable.

[Guest Coffey]

Just because the majority of the IWC talk bad about Triple H, that doesn't mean that everyone hops aboard the bandwagon.

 

I don't find Triple H unwatchable at all. Nor is he useless.