AboveAverage484 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 Here they are: 400. "Motorbreath" by Metallica 399. "Billion Dollar Babies" by Alice Cooper 398. "Death or Glory" by Holocaust 397. "Stranger in a Strange Land" by Iron Maiden 396. "Be Quick or Be Dead" by Iron Maiden 395. "Misty Mountain Hop" by Led Zeppelin 394. "My Last Words" by Megadeth 393. "Love You to Death" by Type O Negative 392. "Mean Streak" by Y&T 391. "Cities on Flame with Rock and Roll" by Blue Öyster Cult 390. "Outshined" by Soundgarden 389. "You're in Love" by Ratt 388. "Trial by Fire" by Testament 387. "The Ivory Gate of Dreams" by Fates Warning 386. "The Prisoner" by Iron Maiden 385. "Becoming" by Pantera 384. "Sunshine of Your Love" by Cream 383. "I See the Light Tonight" by Yngwie Malmsteen 382. "Future Breed Machine" by Meshuggah 381. "Riff Raff" by AC/DC 380. "Trashed" by Black Sabbath 379. "I Am a Viking" by Yngwie Malmsteen 378. "Blood of the Kings" by Manowar 377. "Killed by Death" by Motörhead 376. "Welcome Home" by King Diamond 375. "Ten Ton Hammer" by Machine Head 374. "Jesus Built My Hotrod" by Ministry 373. "Desperate Cry" by Sepultura 372. "Lick It Up" by Kiss 371. "Wheels of Steel" by Saxon 370. "The Eagles Has Landed" by Saxon 369. "The Years of Decay" by Overkill 368. "Thunder Kiss '65" by White Zombie 367. "Angel of Death" by Angel Witch 366. "High 'N' Dry (Saturday Night)" by Def Leppard 365. "Left Hand Path" by Entombed 364. "Harvester of Sorrow" by Metallica 363. "Running Free" by Iron Maiden 362. "Long Live Rock 'N' Roll" by Rainbow 361. "T.N.T" by AC/DC 360. "All We Are" by Warlock 359. "Falling Off the Edge of the World" by Black Sabbath 358. "Cult of Personality" by Living Colour 357. "A Fine Day to Die" by Bathory 356. "Wild Side" by Mötley Crüe 355. "Thunderstruck" by AC/DC 354. "Knocking at Your Back Door" by Deep Purple 353. "Shout It Out Loud" by Kiss 352. "Davidian" by Machine Head 351. "More Human than Human" by White Zombie 350. "Cowboy Song" by Thin Lizzy 349. "Aqualung" by Jethro Tull 348. "Disciples of the Witch" by Testament 347. "It's a Long Way to the Top (If You Wanna Rock 'N' Roll)" by AC/DC 346. "Post Mortem" by Slayer 345. "Lay It Down" by Ratt 344. "The Tower" by Angel 343. "Antisocial" by Anthrax 342. "22 Acacia Avenue" by Iron Maiden 341. "The Call of Ktulu" by Metallica 340. "Jesus Christ Pose" by Soundgarden 339. "Shot in the Dark" by Ozzy Osbourne 338. "Hollow" by Pantera 337. "Keeper of the Seven Keys" by Helloween 336. "The Apparition" by Fates Warning 335. "Angry Again" by Megadeth 334. "Sirens" by Savatage 333. "Lost Horizons" by Michael Schenker Group 332. "Still Loving You" by Scorpions 331. "The Spirit of Radio" by Rush 330. "Space Station #5" by Montrose 329. "Armed and Dangerous" by Anthrax 328. "Tears of the Dragon" by Bruce Dickinson 327. "Rocket Queen" by Guns N' Roses 326. "Space Truckin'" by Deep Purple 325. "Metal Church" by Metal Church 324. "I Don't Believe in Love" by Queensryche 323. "Look at Yourself" by Uriah Heep 322. "Pictures of Home" by Deep Purple 321. "God of Thunder" by Kiss 320. "Mandatory Suicide" by Slayer 319. "Imaginations from the Other Side" by Blind Guardian 318. "Pour Some Sugar on Me" by Def Leppard 317. "Supernaut" by Black Sabbath 316. "Anarchy in the UK" by Sex Pistols 315. "Metal Gods" by Judas Priest 314. "Chainsaw Charlie" by W.A.S.P. 313. "Die Young" by Black Sabbath 312. "Perfect Strangers" by Deep Purple 311. "I'm Broken" by Pantera 310. "Search and Destroy" by Iggy and the Stooges 309. "Refuse/Resist" by Sepultura 308. "Modern Day Cowboy" by Tesla 307. "July Morning" by Uriah Heep 306. "Mean Streets" by Van Halen 305. "The Boys are Back in Town" by Thin Lizzy 304. "Episode 666" by In Flames 303. "D.N.R. (Do Not Resuscitate)" by Testament 302. "Hot for Teacher" by Van Halen 301. "The Evil That Men Do" by Iron Maiden Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B. Brian Brunzell 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 Yikes. Y & T? How can I take this list seriously now? "Cowboy Song" should be much higher on the list. I've never heard a song whose solos match it more perfectly. It's also a great song, my personal favourite from Thin Lizzy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted December 11, 2003 316. "Anarchy in the UK" by Sex Pistols 310. "Search and Destroy" by Iggy and the Stooges Certainly the 316th and 310th best heavy metal songs of all time....doy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AboveAverage484 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 Certainly the 316th and 310th best heavy metal songs of all time....doy. I'm sure Dave Mustaine had Anarchy on his list Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted December 11, 2003 Hey, it's a good tune, but heavy metal it ain't. I mean, that's even less questionable than the AC/DC mentions on there, as far as I'm concerned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AboveAverage484 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 Yeah, I whole heartedly agree. Maybe some voted for it as being influential on them as heavy metal musicians which is how I look at this list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 399. "Billion Dollar Babies" by Alice Cooper 395. "Misty Mountain Hop" by Led Zeppelin 392. "Mean Streak" by Y&T 391. "Cities on Flame with Rock and Roll" by Blue Öyster Cult 390. "Outshined" by Soundgarden 389. "You're in Love" by Ratt 384. "Sunshine of Your Love" by Cream 381. "Riff Raff" by AC/DC 372. "Lick It Up" by Kiss 366. "High 'N' Dry (Saturday Night)" by Def Leppard 361. "T.N.T" by AC/DC 358. "Cult of Personality" by Living Colour 356. "Wild Side" by Mötley Crüe 355. "Thunderstruck" by AC/DC 354. "Knocking at Your Back Door" by Deep Purple 353. "Shout It Out Loud" by Kiss 350. "Cowboy Song" by Thin Lizzy 349. "Aqualung" by Jethro Tull 347. "It's a Long Way to the Top (If You Wanna Rock 'N' Roll)" by AC/DC 345. "Lay It Down" by Ratt 340. "Jesus Christ Pose" by Soundgarden 333. "Lost Horizons" by Michael Schenker Group 331. "The Spirit of Radio" by Rush 330. "Space Station #5" by Montrose 326. "Space Truckin'" by Deep Purple 323. "Look at Yourself" by Uriah Heep 322. "Pictures of Home" by Deep Purple 321. "God of Thunder" by Kiss 318. "Pour Some Sugar on Me" by Def Leppard 316. "Anarchy in the UK" by Sex Pistols 314. "Chainsaw Charlie" by W.A.S.P. 312. "Perfect Strangers" by Deep Purple 310. "Search and Destroy" by Iggy and the Stooges 308. "Modern Day Cowboy" by Tesla 307. "July Morning" by Uriah Heep 306. "Mean Streets" by Van Halen 305. "The Boys are Back in Town" by Thin Lizzy 302. "Hot for Teacher" by Van Halen Are not metal. Fuck, a couple of those bands are Classic Rock, and some are Punk. Wow..."best" list for Metal ever, eh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Metal Maniac 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 See, I can easily forgive the presence of glam bands and people like AC/DC, because even if it's debatable as to how "metal" they are, I think it can be assumed that they're still a part of the overall metal community. But Sex Pistols? That's just ludicrious. *retracts previous statements as to the quality of this list, while standing by the point that when you get up into the higher numbers, it improves somewhat* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2003 Dammit, if this list is already out somewhere, publish the top 100 already. I can't take much more of thise Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Metal Maniac 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2003 It's a whole book, actually. It looks to be a neat read, though I've never read it (I glossed through it in Chapters once or twice, but that's it). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DARRYLXWF 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2003 Yeah, I saw it at a shop today. It's pretty detailed actually, a paragraph is dedicated to each song as well as comments from the composers. I also saw a book titled (I think) 'Bang Your Head: The rise and fall of Heavy Metal'. It looked like a bit of fun, anyone here read it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DR PHIL Report post Posted December 12, 2003 'Bang Your Head: The rise and fall of Heavy Metal'. Yep, good read. Especially since I was only starting to get into metal at the time. But corey won't like it because it classifies "hair" and all the bands on that list as metal, moreso, because of influence. Well worth getting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Art Sandusky 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2003 What makes metal metal? AC/DC has tons of energy, the choppy distorted riffs, and songs about drinking, screwing, and raising hell. I say they qualify. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Metal Maniac 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2003 Personally, I don't find AC/DC heavy enough. To me, they just sound like rock. That's a personal thing though, and it doesn't mean I don't like AC/DC - just that I'd call them a hard rock band, not a metal band. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swift Terror 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2003 I wish to hell Popoff would come out with an updated version of The Collector's Guide to Heavy Metal. Great book, but hasn't been updated since 1997. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2003 The definitive book on metal, I believe, would be Heavy Metal: The Music And Its Culture by Deena Eisen (I forget the name, as the book is somewhere in my room, but the title is accurate). It goes into detail about why hard rock is falsely considered metal, and why rap/rock and nu-metal bands are NOT metal. It also explores what makes metal METAL, and why certain bands are not metal, whereas others are. Although the list of must-need metal albums is flawed (including AC/DC and Motley Crue and Kiss), the book itself explains that these are pivotal albums to metal in terms of INFLUENCE on its perception and evolution. The book, however, was released in the mid 90's, so I doubt great bands like Opeth and such are on the list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DARRYLXWF 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2003 A really good book I read earlier this year was Sound the Beast: The complete Headbanging history of Heavy Metal The best thing about the book is that its written by a fan whose passionate about the subject, so he covers a wide range of topics not usually found in other "metal" collections which seem to concentrate on AC/DC and Metallica as the only bands that people have heard of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Art Sandusky 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2003 So you're saying it's basically a totally subjective issue, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Metal Maniac 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2003 Sort of, but not really. I know that there's good reasons that AC/DC isn't metal. I may not be totally sure what the overall concensus of why they're not is (though I really do like Laz's theory that in order to be metal, it must be birthed from another form of metal, and someone else pointed out in the other thread that hard rock is basically party music, while metal is more depressing) so I'm not going to come right out and state that AC/DC isn't metal because they don't sound like metal to me. I've heard many people say that AC/DC isn't metal. I don't know all the reasons they give for it. But I do know that they sure as hell don't sound like heavy metal. They sound like rock. So that's the reason I give. Is it subjective? Yeah, kinda. Does that mean it's a totally subjective issue? Nope. Man, these threads really need to be one... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coffin Surfer 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2003 I've been told by a few different local gutiarists, and heard else where that for metal to be metal it must have a classical influence, which can be found in metal bands ranging from Iron Madien to Metallica to Nile. While it's obviously not always true(nothing ever is), it is one possible criteria to consider for determining the difference between metal and hard rock(which often has a strong blues influence, rather than classical). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest macheteofodin Report post Posted December 13, 2003 Do lyrics make a band "metal," or is it the overall sound of the music. I mean I could write a song that sounds like Death Metal, but I'm growling a ballad. It can't be depressing lyrics because according to many metal heads, Nu Metal is not "Metal." Classical music can't be the key either. There are a shit load of "Metal Bands" that have no audible classical influence (most Grindcore bands)...but then again, do THEY classify as "Metal?" As stated previously, what is metal is subjective, but there are always some bands that ARE metal to practically everyone. Slayer, Pantera, Metallica, Megadeth, and Iron Maiden just to name a few. People may not like them, but they are recognized as being Metal bands. According to some people's definitions of Metal, Black Sabbath wouldn't be Metal. To me it's a combination of lyrics, look and the music. After years upon years of listening it's something you just recognize. It can't be defined. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Metal Maniac 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2003 I didn't mean depressing lyrics soley - more just a depressing, gloom and doom feel to the music overall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2003 In order for something to be metal, it NEEDS to have a branch to Black Sabbath in some way. Sabbath started it (and the entire "according to most definitions, Black Sabbath ISN'T metal" comment is BULLSHIT, since they'd be doom metal), and as the originators are the ones that every following band will be compared to. In the 500-401 list, I made a Family Tree of the bigger metal styles (Heavy, NWOBHM, Thrash/Speed, Black, Death), and I'll post a full Family Tree in due time (including Power, Doom, Brutal, Rapcore, Prog, and other forms I can think of). But in order for a band to be metal, it NEEDS a link to Black Sabbath. Coffin, you have my utmost permission to kick these local guitarists in the balls, because Black Sabbath is more blues than anything else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steviekick 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2003 Although the list of must-need metal albums is flawed (including AC/DC and Motley Crue and Kiss), the book itself explains that these are pivotal albums to metal in terms of INFLUENCE on its perception and evolution. So would it be acceptable to call AC/DC, Kiss, and Crue "proto-metal", or even "light metal"? Think of how cool it could be...you could say "yeah, i'm into the aluminum scene" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest macheteofodin Report post Posted December 13, 2003 and the entire "according to most definitions, Black Sabbath ISN'T metal" comment is BULLSHIT, since they'd be doom metal It wasn't MOST definitions. To be exact I stated "According to some people's definitions of Metal, Black Sabbath wouldn't be Metal." One such definition would be the Classical Music one that was brought up. I know they are metal, I was just pointing out that some definitions are incorrect. I didn't mean depressing lyrics soley - more just a depressing, gloom and doom feel to the music overall. Would you consider Korn to be Metal? I mean they are pretty depressing in terms of the whole package. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Metal Maniac 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2003 Ah, but that's just one part of the music, and it doesn't work in all circumstances (For example, power metal is metal, and it generally sounds happy). That's just, like, the EZ guide to "is it hard rock or metal?" And no, I wouldn't call Korn metal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2003 Yes, Stevie, I would call bands like AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Motley Crue, and others "proto-metal", because while they were not metal themselves, they DID lend prototypical foundations for following metal bands to build off of (ESPECIALLY AC/DC and Deep Purple, and I actually consider Deep Purple to be the band closest to the borderline of what is metal and what is hard rock). Wait...we're having discussions over what is and isn't metal...without flaming and pointless comments? Wow. A first for messageboards everywhere! EDIT: Also, many punk bands could be called "proto-metal," especially since Thrash/Speed is based off of punk and metal. Listen to The Plasmatics tune "The Damned," and TELL ME that isn't a metal tune. Plasmatics were INCREDIBLY borderline, even moreso than Deep Purple (only between punk and metal), and it's a shame they broke up and then Wendy O killed herself before a reunion could occur. AMAZING band. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest macheteofodin Report post Posted December 13, 2003 Ah, but that's just one part of the music, and it doesn't work in all circumstances (For example, power metal is metal, and it generally sounds happy). That's just, like, the EZ guide to "is it hard rock or metal?" And no, I wouldn't call Korn metal. Good point, but should it be included in the definition of what Metal is if not all sub-genres "fit the mold?" I'm not sure if that is your point or not...my brain blew up like 10 minutes ago. haha If it is not yet apparent, I'm extremely bored today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steviekick 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2003 Yes, Stevie, I would call bands like AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Motley Crue, and others "proto-metal", because while they were not metal themselves, they DID lend prototypical foundations for following metal bands to build off of (ESPECIALLY AC/DC and Deep Purple, and I actually consider Deep Purple to be the band closest to the borderline of what is metal and what is hard rock). Wait...we're having discussions over what is and isn't metal...without flaming and pointless comments? Wow. A first for messageboards everywhere! EDIT: Also, many punk bands could be called "proto-metal," especially since Thrash/Speed is based off of punk and metal. Listen to The Plasmatics tune "The Damned," and TELL ME that isn't a metal tune. Plasmatics were INCREDIBLY borderline, even moreso than Deep Purple (only between punk and metal), and it's a shame they broke up and then Wendy O killed herself before a reunion could occur. AMAZING band. Deep Purple is very metal-like, and way ahead of the others in the proto-metal group. Their musicianship seperates them. The Plasmatics were amazing. They are propably one of the most underrated punk bands ever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steviekick 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2003 As for one of the biggest problems of why we find difficulty in classifying things as being metal or not is partly because metal itself is a subgenre of rock and roll. Because of that, it borders so many other different sub genres, as well as being so broken up by itself into its own sub genres, it's too mixed up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites