Guest Jay Z. Hollywood Report post Posted January 4, 2004 I've recently made some friends who are huge fans of the three genres in the title, and I'd like to sound intelligent, so if any of you guys are also Jazz/Funk/Hip-Hop connosseiurs and could name some good lesser-known stuff so I can sound intelligent, I'd appreciate it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Myxamatosis 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2004 Hip Hop wise, you can't go wrong with Talib and Mos Def. They both have stayed true to the spirit of old school hip hop, both in innovation and style. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nighthawk 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2004 I'll give you a couple starting points: For hip hop, you might want to familiarize yourself with Dan the Automator, because by association he'll lead you to several good performers, such as Kool Keith (who is also well networked), Deltron 3030 and Handsome Boy Modeling School. On the funk side, just get to know Funkadelic, which I'm sure you've heard of, but so many people passed through there, it will lead to all kinds of stuff. Just know who Eddie Hazel is, you'll be cool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2004 Guru's album Jazzamazz Camp Lo Talib and Mos Def = Blackstar Arrested Development Digable Planet's album Rebirth of Slick Bootsy Collins & the Rubberband George Clinton P-Funk Allstars James Brown Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest macheteofodin Report post Posted January 4, 2004 I just got into Jazz about a year ago. I'm not too "well versed" in the genre, but what I've heard I absolutely love. Al Di Meola is the shit. One of the best guitar players I have ever heard. He can outshred anyone while keeping it coherent and beautiful. I recently picked up Kind of Blue by Miles Davis and really enjoy it. I've heard tons of other stuff, but i can't put a name with the songs. I'm not exactly sure what the differences between Hip Hop and Rap are. Are they one in the same? Is one more sophisticated than the other? I always figured Hip Hop was more sophisticated in the sense that there are live musicians and original music. Also, lyrics were a lot less "bling bling" and more informative. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
k thx 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2004 DJ Shadow and Dan The Automator's stuff, as well as some of Outkast's back catalogue for hip-hop, as well as Miles Davis for Jazz. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2004 The Roots is a Hip-Hop band not a Rap band, I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Doyo Report post Posted January 4, 2004 I'm not exactly sure what the differences between Hip Hop and Rap are. Are they one in the same? Hip hop = break dancing, graffiti art, DJing, rapping. Rap has emerged as the dominant form of hip hop, so the words get used interchangeably, but rap is still only one part of the whole hip hop culture. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2004 Some more suggestions: Cameo - Word Up!, Candy Earth, Wind, and Fire Rick James Ohio Players O'Jays US3 8ball & MG Stetsasonic - Talking All That Jazz Whodini - Friends, Freaks Come Out At Night Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Henry Spencer 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2004 Get everything you can find by Charles Mingus. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2004 hiphop - Rakim, Blackalicious, Aesop Rock, Digital Underground Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2004 Ultramagnetic MC's Kool Keith Dr Doom Jungle Brothers Afrika Bambata Kool Herc Grand Master Flash Melly Mel Pretty Tony Egyptian Lover Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steviekick 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2004 You should definitely check out Jurassic 5. These guys kick ass and have great old-school production to their stuff. As far as some hip hop influenced jazz music, check out DJ Spooky's Optometry on Thirsty Ear records. In the last year or so, they have put out many great modern jazz records that are very cool and accessible. If you are into hardcore/heavy metal music, check out the bands Yakuza and Candiria, as both of them are really noticabley influenced by jazz. (Yakuza has sax lines through it over heavy chugging breakdowns and it works well). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masked Man of Mystery 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2004 Miles Davis, John Coltrane, and Dizzy Gillispe(I propably mispelled the last fellow's name) are all cool "modern" jazz artists, and I recently discoveredf the fusion pianist Keiko Matsui, who I like. You also couldn't go wrong with Benny Goodman or Artie Shaw Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2004 You should definitely check out Jurassic 5. I will second this opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Winter Of My Discontent Report post Posted January 5, 2004 Miles Davis, John Coltrane, and Dizzy Gillispe(I propably mispelled the last fellow's name) are all cool "modern" jazz artists, and I recently discoveredf the fusion pianist Keiko Matsui, who I like. You also couldn't go wrong with Benny Goodman or Artie Shaw Wow, thats quite the blanket statement. First, Diz had been playing since the 40's and teamed up with Charlie Parker in the more traditional bebop style. Miles originally played with Bird (Parker) and his first few albums were bebop styled shit (Birth of the Cool) then he moved onto the Kind of Blue sessions with John Coltrane which moved away from bebop. In and around Kind of Blue, he produced orchastra pieces with Gil Evans - Porgy and Bess, and Sketches of Spain which were a lot different from his bebop style. Davis' work with Coltrane signalled the solo career of the tenor player. Coltrane eventually moved into much more spiritual, improvisational, and avant-garde styles (A Love Supreme and Meditations) that would become more "modern". But was much much much much different than Diz...or even Davis' work up to that point. Davis eventually accepted more electric aspects of his music and released In a Silent Way...and later the greatest selling jazz album (Bitches Brew) which signalled the rise of fusion music. So tell me, how is Diz a modern artist? Most hardcore jazzaphobes consider the bebop genre that Parker and Gillespie championed during the 40's and 50's as the definitve style, but considering its orgins were conceived nearly 80 years ago doesn't make it modern. And a career as prolific as Davis' surely didn't always fit the caption of being "modern". Coltrane could be argued that he is more modern with his unique style. If anyone wants to get into jazz music, start at Miles Davis. Check out the essential albums (Kind of Blue, Sketches of Spain, Birth of the Cool, Bitches Brew) and see who he worked with. From there, there is a ridiculously entangled relationship of great jazz artists who all played together at one time or another. Generations are connected through Davis from the 30's and 40's up until today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheArchiteck Report post Posted January 8, 2004 Good shit @ Dan The Automator and Dj Shadow. I enjoy Dj Honda and Prefuse 73 a lot. Even though Prefuse is more on the downtempo/techno type of vibe. Dj Cam and Dj Food are also good. To me Mos Def is one of the greatest MCs. Common is also pretty good, check out his early album "Ressurrection". Dope stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mw679 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2004 Hip Hop: EPMD Boogie Down Productions/KRS-One 3rd Bass Eric B. & Rakim Wu-Tang Clan- "36 Chambers" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2004 Better off getting the solo albums by Method Man, Ol Dirty Bastard, Ghostface killah than the Wu Tang Clan album. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Winter Of My Discontent Report post Posted January 9, 2004 None of this is jazz hip hop. But most of these people mentioned are tremendous emcees. I'll promote Mos Def, Common, Gift of Gab, Del, NAS, and Kool Keith as some of my faves in my limited interest of the hip hop genre. Wu Tang's 36 Chambers beats the ever-living PISS out of any of the Wu Tang solo albums. Like seriously, its not even funny. The only solo artist worth a damn from Wu Tang is Ghostface. But the sum of their parts is far greater than the individualistic albums. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B. Brian Brunzell 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2004 You should definitely check out Jurassic 5. I will second this opinion. I'm with these guys. Black-Eyed Peas are always good, and for GOD'S SAKE MAN, listen to The Roots. Brubeck, Miles, Coltrane, Parker, Louis Armstrong, Duke Ellington, Weather Report, George Benson, Bela Fleck and Jaco Pastorius are definite must listens in the Jazz genre. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Winter Of My Discontent Report post Posted January 9, 2004 The 2003 Black Eyes Peas minus Lets Get Retarded sucks balls. The Roots are always great. For some reason I could never dig on Duke. I can't put my finger on it. I'll pimp Thelonious Monk, Buddy Rich, Bud Powell, Oscar Pederson, Herbie Hancock, and Fats Navarro for jazz dudes in addition to Brunzell's list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edwin MacPhisto 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2004 Tribe, Tribe, Tribe! How'd we get to 20 posts and no mention of A Tribe Called Quest? If you like a smooth jazz feel with your hip-hop, it doesn't get much better than Tribe. Q-Tip flows like liquid, and The Low-End Theory should be mandatory listening. I've had a burn for year and a half and I actually feel a bit dirty. Actually, I'd better finally buy it tomorrow and get the dirt off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Winter Of My Discontent Report post Posted January 9, 2004 Tribe, Tribe, Tribe! How'd we get to 20 posts and no mention of A Tribe Called Quest? If you like a smooth jazz feel with your hip-hop, it doesn't get much better than Tribe. Q-Tip flows like liquid, and The Low-End Theory should be mandatory listening. I've had a burn for year and a half and I actually feel a bit dirty. Actually, I'd better finally buy it tomorrow and get the dirt off. Fuck, I feel dirty for not mentioning them. *hangs head in shame* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C Dubya 04 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2004 I agree with everything that's been recommended so far as they are excellent places to start. For a couple of different recommendations.... Tower of Power Dave Brubeck And to the guy who recommend Al Di Meola, you have to check out Friday Night in San Francisco. It's Al, John McLaughlin and Paco Delucia playing a live acoustic show. Just the three of them. They play acoustics with more speed and precision than most can master on an electric guitar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B. Brian Brunzell 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2004 The 2003 Black Eyes Peas minus Lets Get Retarded sucks balls. The Roots are always great. For some reason I could never dig on Duke. I can't put my finger on it. I'll pimp Thelonious Monk, Buddy Rich, Bud Powell, Oscar Pederson, Herbie Hancock, and Fats Navarro for jazz dudes in addition to Brunzell's list. Oh no doubt. Anything pre-Elephunk by BEP is gold. The new album, however, is not. I feel bad being a piano player and NOT mentioning Thelonious Monk, as he's one of my favourites, right up there with Brubeck and Fats MOTHERFUCKING Domino. **marks out for the mentioning of The Low-End Theory** Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mesepher Report post Posted January 9, 2004 jazz guitar greats: Joe Pass - rythmn, lead and bass all in one... plus the Joe Pass Trio is amazing Hank Garland - Hank was on his way to becomming one of the great jazz guitarists in the world untill his accident, sadly. Wes Montgomery - octave madness Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2004 Method Man's Tical album must be owned by everyone, his Judgement Day 2000 album is pure crap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Winter Of My Discontent Report post Posted January 10, 2004 Method Man's Tical album must be owned by everyone, his Judgement Day 2000 album is pure crap. 36 Chambers is far greater than Tical. Bring the Pain is ok but the rest of whateva. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anorak 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2004 Tribe, Tribe, Tribe! How'd we get to 20 posts and no mention of A Tribe Called Quest? If you like a smooth jazz feel with your hip-hop, it doesn't get much better than Tribe. Q-Tip flows like liquid, and The Low-End Theory should be mandatory listening. I've had a burn for year and a half and I actually feel a bit dirty. Actually, I'd better finally buy it tomorrow and get the dirt off. Their first three albums are all great. De La Soul and Gang Starr deserve mention alongside them as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
