haVoc 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 I think it's funny people believe Cobain was important enough that the Government would cover up his "murder." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nighthawk 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 But who knows why the government does anything? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haVoc 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 That is true. It's obvious the government had 2pac and Biggie killed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Baron 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 or the government had to do with John Lennon death. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Jesus, too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justsoyouknow 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 And Hitler. ....wait.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B. Brian Brunzell 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 If this isn't CWM joke-posting, Courtney Love murdering Kurt is nothing but a rumour... As JSYK said, where's the evidence? Does anyone actually think that Courtney Love would be capable of planning a murder, writing a suicide letter, and covering up the whole thing so she gets off scott-free? Yeah, I don't think so either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Art Sandusky 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 I think I know what Inc had something to do with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Does anyone actually think that Courtney Love would be capable of planning a murder, writing a suicide letter, and covering up the whole thing so she gets off scott-free? Yeah, I don't think so either. She may or may not have had help from El Duce from The Mentors and Kelly Canary (sp) from the band Earth. If that triad isn't able to plan and execute and unsolvable murder, then no one can. Actually, more than anyone else, I figure it was this Canary person that assisted since he helped him jump the wall at rehab and then took him to buy the gun. speaking of Earth, apparently they are one of the most disturbing and frightening projects that nobody has heard of. It's nearly impossible to track their shit down though to see what it's about. Someone hook a brotha up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace309 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Kurt kobain was god to the punk world ... u must be really stupid Anyone remember that scene from Les Misérables, where the French Government claims the fallen revolutionary hero as their own to try to bolster their own cause? Yeah, me neither. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nl5xsk1 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 In partial agreement with what Thumbtack said, I've heard that Il Duce admitted to some involvement, with some admissions ranging as far as he pulled the trigger. But, in the grand scheme of things, I care so little about Cirk Kobean that I really don't care who pulled the trigger. So, my post might just be a big ol' +1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 or the government had to do with John Lennon death. they did try to deport him for political purposes so its a bit more believable... still not true though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cobainwasmurdered Report post Posted June 15, 2004 The lead singer from nirvana supposivly commited suicide. But was it true did the government tell lies or did courtney love do it. My suspictions lean to courtney love because all the evidence kind of points to her. Kurt Cobain. fucking douche. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Metal Maniac 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 I still wanna know why people refuse to believe that a suicidal heroin addict killed himself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Metal Maniac, to answer that you would have to look at what was being said by his other close friends. That being that his daughter meant the absolute world to him and he loved being a father. In return that also lead to him kicking heroin as he had been reportedly clean for a few weeks before the suicide occured. Why would a man who's finally clean of his demons and loves being a father to his newborn daughter kill himself? That's the part that doesn't add up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 I personally believe that he was killed. But I'm not going through this again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KK Rage 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Here's the only things I've heard that would point to him being murdered. 1) The police (not Sting) supposedly found five times the amount of heroin in him that it would take to kill a human being i.e. somebody pumped a shitload of heroin in his veins to cover themselves. 2) Supposedly a handwriting analyst concluded that the handwriting in the last five lines of the suicide note didn't match the rest of it, or any of Cobain's for that matter. Keep in mind, I've HEARD these things, not verified. Take them for what you will, I'm taking the Socrates way out of this one. (I admit I don't know, therefore I am right) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Giuseppe Zangara 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 I think I know what Inc had something to do with. I don't get this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ill One 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Bodha is ashamed of you all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Doyo Report post Posted June 16, 2004 http://www.justiceforkurt.com/investigation/reasons.shtml Eldon Hoke (aka "El Duce"), singer of a band called the Mentors, claimed he was offered $50,000 by Courtney Love three months earlier to kill her husband. On March 6, 1996, Hoke was administered a polygraph test by Dr. Edward Gelb, who is one of the country's leading polygraph experts. He was also teaching the advanced polygraph course for the FBI. Hoke passed a lie detector test with 99.7% certainty that he was telling the truth. Eldon Hoke briefly appeared in the Nick Broomfield "Kurt & Courtney" documentary. On April 19th 1997, eight days after having his story filmed by Broomfield, Hoke was found dead in Riverside, California by the California Highway Police. A source described the events as "highly suspicious. He showed up at his house in Riverside with this guy who he introduced as his new friend none of his roommates had ever met before and said they were going out to the liquor store and would be back soon. He never returned. The 'friend' was never seen again and Hoke was found squashed on a railroad track, apparently hit by a train. Anybody who knew Hoke, according to his friends, knew that the best way to befriend him was to offer to buy him a drink. So the scenario is quite obvious." video of El Duce from "Kurt & Courtney" documentary Courtney says "all publicity is good publicity" Courtney's husband is missing but she happily states that bad things can help her sell records Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Giuseppe Zangara 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2004 El Duce was a drug-addled scumbag. You people are fucking retarded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cobainwasmurdered Report post Posted June 16, 2004 El Duce was a drug-addled scumbag. *DING DING DING* We have a winner. Even if Kurt was killed, El Duce wasn't involved. He was far too stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted June 16, 2004 Even if Kurt was killed, El Duce wasn't involved. He was far too stupid. So there are no stupid criminals? He didn't need to be the mastermind behind it all. Somebody could have given the man instructions as they were going along. The fact he is dumb as shit and on dope would make it more likely that he was involved, since he'd be willing to follow whomever for a nice batch of smack. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2004 Kelly Canary(or whatever his name is...something similar anyway) killed Curt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cobainwasmurdered Report post Posted June 16, 2004 Even if Kurt was killed, El Duce wasn't involved. He was far too stupid. So there are no stupid criminals? He didn't need to be the mastermind behind it all. Somebody could have given the man instructions as they were going along. The fact he is dumb as shit and on dope would make it more likely that he was involved, since he'd be willing to follow whomever for a nice batch of smack. we're not talking about something random and simple were you just blast the fucker. This (if it was a murder) was carefully planned and executed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrRant 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2004 or the government had to do with John Lennon death. I would have killed him too for letting Yoko Ono get publicity. Unfortnately the plan backfired. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted June 16, 2004 we're not talking about something random and simple were you just blast the fucker. This (if it was a murder) was carefully planned and executed. I understand, but again he didn't have to be the mastermind. He could have just been the person to shoot the heroin into Kurt and then put Kurt's finger round the trigger and pull. Basically the idiot you get to do it all so nothing can be pinned on you if they do open an investigation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cobainwasmurdered Report post Posted June 16, 2004 we're not talking about something random and simple were you just blast the fucker. This (if it was a murder) was carefully planned and executed. I understand, but again he didn't have to be the mastermind. He could have just been the person to shoot the heroin into Kurt and then put Kurt's finger round the trigger and pull. Basically the idiot you get to do it all so nothing can be pinned on you if they do open an investigation. Even that's a little much though. Think about how everything was found. There were no finger prints on the gun. No signs of a struggle. Cobain's Heroin paraphenelia had been carefully put away and his sleeves rolled back down and buttoned. After leaving the Killer locked the door behind him. Some of that is grounds for wondering if it is indeed, a murder but El Duce couldn't have been involved. Kurt didn't know him so how did he convince A paranoid Kurt (who thought people were out to get him) to let him into his home AND inject Heroin into him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmy no nose 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2004 I don't follow a lot of this Kurt Cobain talk, but I know all about El Duce and the Mentors. It's pointless to even argue about whether or not El Duce was involved because his story all along had been that he wasn't involved. He said that Courtney asked him to do it months before it happened. I'm pretty sure he was actually on tour way out of the area when the murder happened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted June 16, 2004 Kurt didn't know him so how did he convince A paranoid Kurt (who thought people were out to get him) to let him into his home AND inject Heroin into him? That is the million dollar question my friend. Somewhere within all that is the answer. He says that Courtney had spoken to him previously about killing Kurt. Now, this man was Courtney's friend and from all accounts Kurt still trusted and loved her(although you probably know more about that than me and I'd like your input on if that's correct.) Now with all that's been discussed within this thread, add up the fact that Nirvana's manager was absolutely livid over Kurt refusing to do the 25th anniversary of Woodstock and you get this situation. Just bare with me and follow it, then discuss. Courtney feels she's in Kurt's shadow and will never be able to escape this. She's selfish and all that truly matters to her is fame. Kurt offers to leave Nirvana and join Hole to work with her but she knows that will just overshadow her more. Courtney goes to El Duce and offers him $50,000 to kill Kurt. He agrees but no formal plans of how to do so are placed at this point. Kurt turns down Woodstock citing that he would rather not play with Nirvana any longer because he wants to join his wife in Hole so the entire family can basically be together even when on tour as well as go into detox and get clean. This enrages the group manager as it costs him literally millions of dollars. It also opens up a window for Courtney. Canary helps Kurt get out of rehab early, Kurt states he's clean but others around him aren't so sure. While leaving rehab Canary advises Kurt to purchase a gun, which he does. Question 1 now arrises: What made Kurt want to leave rehab? He entered himself in and by all accounts was completely gung-ho this time about getting clean for both his daughter and marriage. Something had to have been said to him to get him to want to bail early. Courtney knows of the large fight between Kurt and his manager. She goes to him and talks of how she has gotten somebody to agree to kill Kurt. The manager being a man of shady dealings places the money into it knowing that if Kurt Cobain dies then Nirvana CDs will sadly fly like hotcakes fresh off a skillet. He draws up the plan with Courtney and agrees to supply the large amount of heroin needed in the plan. A short time later Courtney tells Kurt they're going to have company or some shit in which he's ok with El Duce coming over. The toxicollogy reports that I have seen didn't just say there was heroin in Kurt's system, but also some form of barbituate. Perhaps Courtney fixes them all drinks and slips a few ground up pills or something into his which relaxes him. El Duce pulls out the heroin, and Kurt having left rehab early agrees to it and shoots up. Now, I've watched my uncle shoot up with some of his friends...and if they're all doing it they just fill the syringe, pump a little in and then pass it. Perhaps that's how they had the syringe fixed, Kurt passed out with it in his arm and El Duce or Courtney just pressed down on the top and released the rest into his veins. From there Courtney tidies everything up knowing exactly where her husband keeps everything. The shotgun is brought over using gloves or some form of cloth to keep it from gaining fingerprints. Its then propped up and the trigger is pulled with Kurts own hand. He's eventually found dead by police. El Duce takes a lie detector test later on saying Courtney paid him to do it, and this and that. Shortly afterwards he's found dead which brings up question #2. Who killed El Duce? It was all too conveniant and he died along with a friend which would show it was possibly a double homicide. You answer those 2 questions and you got the missing pieces as far as I'm concerned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
