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their only PG is Marquis Daniels and Tony Delk.

You forgot Devin Harris.

Ok but even with Devin Harris added to the collection of Tony Delk and Marquis Daniels at point I don't see them adding up talent wise to Jason Kidd. Tony Delk is usually trade bait for whatever team he is on anyways so he'll probably be gone before the trade deadline or even in the Walker/Kidd deal if it ever happens.

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Part of the blame could sure as hell be blamed on Kidd, who got them to sign Mourning, which is money which could have went to Kenyon.

 

I respect his right to ask for a trade, but this is not a slam dunk deal that the nest must do it, after re-upping him for max money (even though he has injury problems), giving him his coach, and giving mourning a huge contract even though he had a disease which would seemingly preclude him from playing.

 

niko

With all his actions in the last year and a half, I've really grown to like Kidd.

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the neverending Crawford trade may finally, uh, end soon. It sounds like the Knicks dropped Shandon Anderson and the Bulls dropped Eddie Robinson.

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Say good-bye the USA's undefeated record in exhibition international play. God damn how pathetic was that Italy vs. USA game. I found myself constantly yelling at the TV for them to guard people. The USA players are dumbasses for constantly leaving everyone on the Italy team open for three point shots. If more players on Italy would have connected with their three point shots the USA could have potentially lost that game by over thirty. Tim Duncan did play very well for being mauled most of the game.

 

Apparently Eddy Curry is now tipping the scales around 320 pounds. The Bulls wanted him around 285 this summer. Paxson is still denying any trades involving Curry. Eddy Curry is "supposed" to be hitting the gym heavily now with a couple of trainers. I'll believe that when I see him not resembling Oliver Miller.

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they were on the court, I wouldn't necessarily say they played

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Who is going to be the scapegoat for Team USA now that Pierce isn't on the team?

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Apparently Eddy Curry is now tipping the scales around 320 pounds. The Bulls wanted him around 285 this summer. Paxson is still denying any trades involving Curry. Eddy Curry is "supposed" to be hitting the gym heavily now with a couple of trainers. I'll believe that when I see him not resembling Oliver Miller.

From an ESPN.com Insider article...

 

League sources told Insider this weekend that the Grizzlies and Bulls had discussions about Curry and that GM John Paxson is willing to trade him for the right price. The Grizzlies have a ton of assets to throw at the Bulls, and a trade that would send Bonzi Wells and a re-signed Stromile Swift to Chicago for Curry, Eddie Robinson and Chris Jefferies works under the cap.

 

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Getting a combo of Wells (who is in the last year of his contract) and Swift allows the Bulls to save some face.

 

If anyone wants the rest of the article, PM me, because I doubt I can post the entire article here (has to be entirely re-typed, due to ESPN.com eliminating the C&P option from Insider pages, which is pretty slick).

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Apparently Eddy Curry is now tipping the scales around 320 pounds. The Bulls wanted him around 285 this summer. Paxson is still denying any trades involving Curry. Eddy Curry is "supposed" to be hitting the gym heavily now with a couple of trainers. I'll believe that when I see him not resembling Oliver Miller.

From an ESPN.com Insider article...

 

League sources told Insider this weekend that the Grizzlies and Bulls had discussions about Curry and that GM John Paxson is willing to trade him for the right price. The Grizzlies have a ton of assets to throw at the Bulls, and a trade that would send Bonzi Wells and a re-signed Stromile Swift to Chicago for Curry, Eddie Robinson and Chris Jefferies works under the cap.

 

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Getting a combo of Wells (who is in the last year of his contract) and Swift allows the Bulls to save some face.

 

If anyone wants the rest of the article, PM me, because I doubt I can post the entire article here (has to be entirely re-typed, due to ESPN.com eliminating the C&P option from Insider pages, which is pretty slick).

Use Mozilla or FireFox and you should be able to Copy and Paste.

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If anyone wants the rest of the article, PM me, because I doubt I can post the entire article here (has to be entirely re-typed, due to ESPN.com eliminating the C&P option from Insider pages, which is pretty slick).

If you have Microsoft Front Page, try getting it there. Once you get it there you can get copied and paste. If not, PM some of the article if it has the Knicks mentioned.

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so before the season starts, the Bulls could get rid of Robinson, Williams, Crawford, and Curry?

 

Maybe this team isn't so hopeless after all.

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I'm on my lunch break, so I'll post the entire article at 3:30 PST (need to re-download Mozilla or Firefox).

 

The article is about 10 NBA teams that rebuilt or improved their teams over the offseason. Covered are the Grizzlies, Mavericks, Knicks (I'll post it, CW :)), Nets, Hawks, Rockets, Grizzlies, Timberwolves, Hornets and Sonics (I'll post it, Rant :)).

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Oh my god...

 

The Knicks have finally signed somebody...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Trevor Ariza.

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Here's something I'm throwing out since I'm not sure:

 

Could the Knicks sign Jamal Crawford, Vince Carter, Antoine Walker and Erick Dampier for this season or would they be too over the salary cap?

 

And could Dallas sign Jason Kidd who I hear wants a trade from New Jersey?

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The Knicks can theoretically sign anyone because the owners/management have given Zeke the ability to not worry about luxury taxes and such. They don't care about payroll problems, just winning.

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Mavs, Grizz and Knicks still have work to do

 

By Chad Ford

ESPN Insider

Monday, August 2nd, 2004

 

The free-agent frenzy is over and a number of high-profile teams have a lot to show for it. With NBA spending at an all-time high and trades going down in frantic pace, there is a growing parity in the league that gives hope to franchises that have had little to cheer about the past few years.

 

From Boston to Utah to Orlando and even Cleveland, GMs can stand up credibly after a busy summer and tell fans that hope is on the way.

 

Unfortunately, not everyone can say that. A number of teams have done nothing. A few more have made only minor, lateral moves that won't likely affect the win column once the season begins.

 

With all the focus the past few weeks on what teams have done in an effort to improve, it's just as instructive to look at what a handful of teams haven't done. A number of teams on the list, including the Grizzlies, Knicks and Hawks, came into the summer with high hopes. With nothing to show for it (yet), is it time to write them off or will they still make a big splash this summer?

 

Insider takes a look 10 teams that still need a major overhaul this summer. Can the Mavs land Jason Kidd? With the Grizzlies finally get their hands on a big man -- Eddy Curry? Will Isiah Thomas finally make the big move he's been promising? Here's our take.

 

Dallas Mavericks

Cash remaining: None

Players signed/added: Calvin Booth, Marquis Daniels, Devin Harris, Didier Ilunga-Mbenga, Pavel Podkolzine

Players lost: Danny Fortson (Sonics), Steve Nash (Suns)

Skinny: Are the Mavericks rebuilding? That's the question everyone in the league is asking in the wake of their decision not to match the Suns' six-year, $60 million offer to Steve Nash. With the exception of Booth, all four players the Mavs signed this summer are either rookies or have just one year of experience in the NBA. The team has no money left. They had to spend their mid-level exception to re-sign Daniels and their $1.6 million exception to sign rookie Mbenga. The Mavs are hoping that Mbenga, a 23-year-old 250 pound African 7-footer built like Ben Wallace, will give them some defense and shot blocking in the paint, but he's probably a year or two away from making an impact.

 

Where do they go from here? Their one major asset is Antoine Walker. Walker is in the last year of his contract and has received heavy interest from the Knicks and 76ers. The Mavs still need a veteran point guard and some defensive toughness in the paint. Can either team deliver? The Mavs want Samuel Dalembert in any package the 76ers put together -- but there's no way Sixers GM Billy King is going to do that. Dalembert is too valuable. The Knicks are trying to sell the Mavericks on a package that includes Kurt Thomas. The Mavs are interested, but only if they take back Jerry Stackhouse, not Walker, in return.

 

The most attractive option for the Mavs? Working out something with the Nets. The team is cutting costs like crazy right now and it's evident that Jason Kidd no longer wants to stick around for the rebuilding process. A Walker/Josh Howard/Tony Delk for Kidd and Alonzo Mourning trade works under the cap and would give the Nets more than $20 million under the cap next season -- even if they do re-sign Richard Jefferson.

 

However, given owner Mark Cuban's sudden fiscal responsibility, is he really willing to swallow the last five years, $85 million of Kidd's contract given his recent knee surgery? Probably not, unless, that is, the Nets also are willing to take back at least one big salary in return. The Nets have a $10 million trade exception and could easily swallow a player like Calvin Booth, Jerry Stackhouse or Tariq Abdul-Wahad in return.

 

Memphis Grizzlies

Cash remaining: $1.6 million exception

Players added: Antonio Burks, Brian Cardinal, Andre Emmett

Players lost: None

Skinny: Brian Cardinal may be the hardest-working guy in the NBA, but he isn't going to be the player who puts the Grizzlies over the top next season. Jerry West has been looking for a legit big man for the past two seasons but still keeps coming up empty. The Grizzlies were the front-runners to land Erick Dampier in a sign-and-trade earlier in the summer, but the Warriors aren't willing to make a trade, leaving Memphis no real options for Damp.

 

Late last week the Grizzlies turned their attention to landing a younger, but riskier big man -- Eddy Curry. League sources told Insider this weekend that the Grizzlies and Bulls had discussions about Curry and that GM John Paxson is willing to trade him for the right price. The Grizzlies have a ton of assets to throw at the Bulls, and a trade that would send Bonzi Wells and a re-signed Stromile Swift to Chicago for Curry, Eddie Robinson and Chris Jefferies works under the cap.

 

Paxson has grown weary of Curry's inconsistency and lack of conditioning. He reportedly showed up at the Bulls' training facility 35 pounds overweight two weeks ago -- after vowing to get in the best shape of his career as the season ended. The team is beginning to think that Curry, with all the distractions of living and playing in his hometown, needs a change of scenery to succeed. Getting a combo of Wells (who is in the last year of his contract) and Swift allows the Bulls to save some face.

 

On the Grizzlies' side of things, Curry has the ability to be a dominant low-post scorer in the league. But does he have the head? The Grizzlies believe that coach Hubie Brown can turn his career around. If Brown can do it (the fact that Curry is in a contract year also provides some motivation) the Grizzlies could move into the top tier in the West. Without Curry or a similar dominant big man on board, the Grizzlies could end up sinking a bit this year given the major improvement of several non-playoff teams in the West.

 

New York Knicks

Cash remaining: Mid-level exception; $1.6 million exception

Players added: None

Players lost: None

Skinny: Isiah Thomas has been in hot pursuit of every free agent on the planet this summer -- but so far he's come up empty. By now you know about the high-profile attempts to work out a sign-and-trade with the Warriors for Erick Dampier and with the Bulls for Jamal Crawford. Both deals look dead at the moment.

 

The Warriors are telling everyone that they aren't inclined to take on more salary just to get Dampier more money on the open market. Bulls GM John Paxson is insisting that he won't do a deal with the Knicks unless Thomas takes back Jerome Williams and Eddie Robinson. Paxson wants only expiring contracts and Shandon Anderson back in return. The Knicks also tried hard to pry away Antoine Walker from the Mavericks to no avail.

 

On the chance that all of Isiah's pursuits fall through . . . what's left, Knicks fans? The Knicks still have their mid-level, though it appears they'll give three million of it to Vin Baker. It doesn't look like there are any unrestricted free agents out there are worth Isiah's time with the extra $1.9 million he'd have left. The Knicks do have the valuable expiring contracts of Dikembe Mutombo, Othella Harrington, Frank Williams and Cezary Trybanski to work with, which gives Thomas one shot, if he combined all four players, of taking on a contract worth roughly $10.3 million. The Mavs are also pushing Jerry Stackhouse their way if the Knicks would give up Kurt Thomas in return.

 

New Jersey Nets

Cash remaining: Mid-level exception; $1.6 million exception

Players added: Rodney Buford, Nenad Kristic, Jacque Vaughn

Players lost: Kerry Kittles (Clippers), Kenyon Martin (Nuggets)

Skinny: Donald Sterling, meet your soul mate, new Nets owner Bruce Ratner. There's talk that help is on the way in the form of free agents Eric Williams and Ron Mercer. But don't kid yourselves. Neither of those players replaces Kittles, let along Kenyon. The Nets are burning down the house and team president Rod Thorn is distraught.

 

Whether Jason Kidd officially demands a trade is irrelevant. The team needs to trade him this summer if it wants any real chance of cap flexibility down the road. The Nets are already talking about a near-max extension with Richard Jefferson (6 years, $75 million) that puts them right up against the cap next season. Assuming they also re-sign Jason Collins, give Williams the three-year, $11.5 million deal they've been talking about and use some of the first-round picks they got in the Kenyon Martin deal next year, they're likely be over the cap again.

 

What's the point? Without a legit center or power forward the Nets are no longer championship contenders in the East -- even with a healthy Kidd. As Kidd gets older and his contract keeps escalating by 12.5 percent, their flexibility is gone. The challenge for the Nets isn't whether to trade Kidd, it's whether they can right now. He's coming off knee surgery and might not be able to go by training camp.

 

Is there an owner out there willing to swallow his deal and send expiring contracts or talented young players back in return with that much uncertainty? The Mavericks are the only team to come to mind (though you have to wonder if they're really interested given the contract they refused to match for Nash). The Nets may have to wait until mid-season, when they can prove Kidd is healthy, to trade him.

 

It's too bad ownership didn't listen to Thorn before the trade deadline when he advocated moving Kidd to San Antonio for Tony Parker and expiring contracts. Thorn saw the writing on the wall and wanted to give the Nets a shot at keeping Martin. Now, the Spurs wouldn't touch that deal and the Nets are in ruins.

 

Atlanta Hawks

Cash remaining: $10.7 million

Players added: Josh Childress, Jason Collier, Al Harrington, Josh Smith

Players lost: Michael Bradley (Magic), Stephen Jackson (Pacers), Jacque Vaughn (Nets)

Skinny: A member of the Hawks' ownership group objected to my characterization last week in a chat that the front office was a mess and that the ownership group didn't see eye-to-eye on everything. The information came directly from a number of GMs and player agents who have dealt with the Hawks this summer. However, he rightly pointed out the team has made progress. They've cleared more than $10 million in cap space, hired an up-and-coming head coach in Mike Woodson and made a great trade for Harrington.

 

Given where the Hawks were last season, those are all improvements. Still, cap space is only meaningful if you use it. The Hawks' excuse is that teams are overpaying for free agents and they don't want to fall into the same trap. It's tough to argue with that premise (I've been railing on teams for overspending all summer) but . . . cap space and a team full of shooting guards and small forwards (they've drafted six in the past two years -- Boris Diaw, Travis Hansen, Childress, Collier, Donta Smith and Royal Ivey) don't win games.

 

Whatever GM Billy Knight's vision is, so far it includes no bigs and no true point guard (Jason Terry will always be more comfortable at the two) -- a recipe for disaster in the NBA. The team has made two high-profile attempts to land free agents. Both have failed. Kenyon Martin turned his nose up at a max contract with the Hawks, choosing the Nuggets instead. Erick Dampier continues not to commit to the Hawks despite the fact that they're the only team with cap room willing to pay him more than the mid-level exception.

 

With the free-agent market thinning, the Hawks are running out of options. Damp will always be a possibility as long as a team he actually wants to play for doesn't figure out a sign-and-trade with the Warriors. Stromile Swift could be another option if the Grizzlies don't use him in a sign-and-trade first.

 

After that, there isn't much left. The Hawks can always try to use their cap space or Terry to facilitate a trade. Short of that, however, the team is on the verge of challenging the Bobcats for worst record in the league next season. That's not exactly the progress the new ownership was looking for when it headed into the offseason.

 

Houston Rockets

Cash remaining: $5.4 million trade exception; Mid-level exception; $1.6 million exception

Players added: Reece Gaines, Juwan Howard, Tyronn Lue, Tracy McGrady

Players lost: Kelvin Cato (Magic), Steve Francis (Magic), Cuttino Mobley (Magic)

Skinny: The Rockets pulled off the second-biggest trade of the summer when they swapped Francis and company for Tracy McGrady. A combo of T-Mac and Yao Ming should easily get the Rockets into the postseason next year. But you don't make a blockbuster trade like this unless you're gunning for a championship. To that end, the Rockets still have a couple of major holes to fill. Losing Francis left the team very thin at the point guard position. Lue is a backup and Gaines isn't even that yet.

 

So far their search for a legit, veteran point has come up empty. They flirted with Eric Snow, Derek Fisher, Brent Barry and even Mike James, but all of them committed elsewhere. There isn't an obvious solution to their problem left on the free-agent market. A guy like Charlie Ward might be serviceable, but he isn't ideal either.

 

The team also has no depth at center. Yao averaged just 33 mpg last season. Who plays the other 15? The good news is that the Rockets have a huge trade exception and their full mid-level to work with. The bad news is there aren't many bigs on the market (free agent or trade) worth wasting their time on.

 

Sacramento Kings

Cash remaining: None

Players added: Kevin Martin, Greg Ostertag

Players lost: Vlade Divac (Lakers)

Skinny: We're still scratching our heads at the Kings' decision to let Vlade Divac go only to replace him with Greg Ostertag. The Kings cited money concerns at the time, but Insider has learned that the Kings actually guaranteed more money to Ostertag than the Lakers did to Divac. Divac's deal is for two years, $10.3 million, but only $2 million of his contract is guaranteed for his second season, bringing his guaranteed money down to $6.9 million over two years. Ostertag's deal is for two years, $8.4 million.

 

Maybe it had something to do with Chris Webber's diatribe in the Sacramento Bee where he seemingly called out Divac a number of times for being soft, not lifting weights and not having a serious attitude in the locker room. Webber claims that it wasn't Peja Stojakovic he's was railing on in his post-playoff rant but other players who play like they're from the "suburbs."

 

"It's time to stop playing soft and (like) suburban kids. That's what we play like. We play like we're from the suburbs and the best basketball is played in the city. Everybody knows that."

 

Webber's list of tough guys? Stojakovic, Bobby Jackson, Doug Christie, Mike Bibby and Darius Songaila. That leaves just one player, Brad Miller, left on the team in CWebb's doghouse. It isn't likely that the Kings will trade Miller, given that he and Ostertag are the only big guys left on their roster. However, Stojakovic and Christie have been offered around the league. If a trade doesn't work, it appears that the team has some serious interest in bringing Nuggets free agent Rodney White into the fold.

 

Minnesota Timberwolves

Cash remaining: Mid-level exception

Players added: Fred Hoiberg, Troy Hudson

Players lost: None

Skinny: The Timberwolves shook off that first-round playoff hex and made it all the way to the Western Conference Finals last season. Do they have what it takes to go all the way this year? The only player who may not be returning is starting two guard Trenton Hassell. The Blazers gave him a six-year, $27 million offer sheet that may be too rich for the Wolves' blood. Hassell's defensive intensity will be missed, but his loss shouldn't be a major impediment to the Wolves' quest for the Finals.

 

Still, with so many teams improving in the West, should the Wolves stand completely still? They have their full mid-level exception at their disposal and one very valuable trade asset -- Wally Szczerbiak. The Blazers have been after Wally for a while. A combo of Wally and Michael Olowokandi for Shareef Abdur-Rahim or a combo of Derek Anderson, Vladimir Stepania and a re-signed Darius Miles could help put the team over the top next season.

 

New Orleans Hornets

Cash remaining: Mid-level exception

Players added: Chris Anderson, J.R. Smith

Players lost: Robert Traylor (Cavs)

Skinny: Yawn . . . . Once again it's a relatively quiet offseason for the Hornets. They did make a run at restricted free agent Morris Peterson, but the Raptors quickly matched, putting an end to that quest. Chris Andersen is a decent pick-up for the front court. He'll give them some athleticism and shot blocking for around 20 mpg. There was heavy speculation last week that the Hornets were making a play for Vince Carter, but Raptors GM Rob Babcock blew that out of the water claiming there was nothing to the rumors.

 

The team has plenty of money to spend and one semi-valuable asset in Jamal Mashburn they're trying to trade. Short of that, there isn't much going on. A new high-profile coach, Byron Scott, and hot shot rookie J.R. Smith, who lit up the summer league (for whatever that's worth), will have to be enough to propel the Hornets out of mediocrity in the Western Conference this season. Right now, the odds of that don't look too hot.

 

Seattle SuperSonics

Cash remaining: Mid-level exception; $1.6 million exception

Players added: Danny Fortson, Robert Swift

Players lost: Brent Barry (Spurs), Calvin Booth (Mavs)

Skinny: The Sonics are in perpetual rebuilding mode. They made no significant improvements to a team that won just 37 games last year and lost its starting point guard, Brent Barry, to the Spurs. Fortson should give the Sonics some needed toughness in the post, but there's a reason he couldn't get off the bench in Golden State or Dallas the past two seasons.

 

Jamal Crawford and Stromile Swift both would make some sense in Seattle, but the team knows that the mid-level won't be enough to land either guy. There is significant trade interest in a number of their players from Ray Allen to Rashard Lewis to Vladimir Radmanovic. However, the only guy they've been close to moving is backup point guard Antonio Daniels. Something has to give in Seattle or the team faces the real possibility that they'll challenge the Clippers and Warriors for the worst record in the West next season.

 

Chad Ford covers the NBA for ESPN Insider.

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I think they should try to move possibly Allen or Lewis or both. The small team they have been using for so long is really not working out.

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From the Chicago Sun-Times

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August 3, 2004

 

This is the second half of an article about Jamal Crawford being signed and dealt to New York.

 

Meanwhile, since Bulls center Eddy Curry slacked off on his summer conditioning program and allowed his weight to balloon to 320 pounds -- 35 over the weight the Bulls had targeted for him -- he is no longer encouraging operations chief John Paxson to offer him a lucrative extension before the Oct. 1 deadline.

 

Still, Paxson says he's not trying to trade the 6-11 Harvey native, who is entering his fourth season.

 

But according to league sources, one person very interested in acquiring Curry is Knicks general manager Isiah Thomas, who probably would include power forwards Mike Sweetney and Kurt Thomas in a deal and take the contracts of Robinson and Williams off the Bulls' hands. But Paxson is not ready to give up on Curry.

 

"I get phone calls about Tyson [Chandler] and Eddy quite often,'' Paxson said Monday. "Size is still a value in this league. And they are big, young guys with so much untapped potential. The bottom line is that no matter what we do, they won't be given up easily. I still hang on to the belief that, as we've seen Tyson work hard and start getting better, the same can happen with Eddy if he keeps aspiring to get better.

 

"It's up to Eddy to get in shape. We've talked about this many times, and he knows this. Nobody can do it for him but him. From the time the season ended, we told him [to choose] whatever way he feels is best for him to get into shape. I've always respected Tim Grover and the success he's had with players. Tim does a great job. But Tim can't work out for Eddy, either. Eddy's got to put the time and the effort in.

 

"The only thing disappointing about [Eddy] at this point is that you want to see guys get in shape incrementally over time. But now, he's got to cram a lot into seven weeks before we start training camp. The bottom line is that I just want to see him in shape.''

 

Paxson said reports of the Memphis Grizzlies offering Bonzi Wells and Stromile Swift for Curry "are not accurate'' and that he did not want to comment on trade rumors involving Curry.

 

Unless Paxson enjoys lying or stretching the truth it looks like Curry isn't going anywhere until maybe mid season if he is playing poorly before the deadline.

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A combo of Wally and Michael Olowokandi for Shareef Abdur-Rahim or a combo of Derek Anderson, Vladimir Stepania and a re-signed Darius Miles could help put the team over the top next season.

 

Nah, that couldn't be more off base. I think they're MUCH better off with Wally and Kandi than any of those guys. They need Kandi's minutes at center, plus he was fighting a knee injury all last year and should be ready to play more minutes this year, and Wally was a scoring machine in the playoffs. I wouldn't even give up JUST Wally for Shareef, when would he even get the ball or good position with the offense revolving around KG, Spree and Cassell?

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Wasn't Shareef's problem in Portland that he was pissed about Zach Randolph taking his minutes at PF? So how would he act in Minnesota, with KG taking all the minutes. And I mean ALL the minutes, because KG is more in shape than Zach and will play more, which means Shareef plays even less. If I were Shareef, I'd be trying to get traded to the Sonics. They have Collison and Fortson, but I'm Shareef can beat them out for the starting spot.

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The Celtics offseason is pretty pathetic. They haven't lost anybody except Brandon Hunter in the expansion draft but they haven't added anyone. Zilch. I haven't even heard rumors about the Celtics acquiring anyone. Those guys are pathetic.

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Why can't KG move over to Center and let Shareef play Power Forword?

Then you'd still have the same problem as last year.

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if anyone offers anything for Olowakandi, the Wolves should take it. Period.

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