BHK 0 Report post Posted August 20, 2004 As you all know courtesy of last night's Smackdown, the big show will soon be returning. Now, my question obviously is, what do they do with him? i'm wondering if they can somehow get that truly monster heel vibe built around him like they've only captured a couple of times before. They've kind of dropped the ball with Kane in that sense. and I don't mean Triple H-ish monster heel. I mean the " I am huge and can crush anything in my path" type heel. Kind of like Zues in No Holds barred. the kind of guy that just absolutely terrifies you. just bring him back and run 2 and 3 on 1 handicap matches for two or 3 weeks, and jsut have him DESTROY people. I hope they can pull it off with him, but I can see other idea working for the character as well. Do they play him face and bring up his imjuring of angle? Do they totally disregard all past history? There's multiple options. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted August 20, 2004 I just have to say this... If Big Show makes it to WrestleMania 21 without being injured and he's on the card, he NEEDS to win a match there. For crying out loud, he's 0-5. He's quickly about to beat Tito Santana's "Worst WrestleMania Record" title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted August 20, 2004 Big Show should be on every TV show, but only wrestle 2-3 times a year. He should play the bodyguard role for someone and never do comedy or be made fun of. He should be pushed as the deadliest guy on the roster and featured more as a special attraction than a regular. He should be pushed hard on house shows. A lot of damage has been done -- that's probably the best way to salvage him. The problem is that he's not over enough to justify going over a lot of top talent, but he's too big to be jobbing all the time. His losses should carry huge weight, no pun intended. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest whitemilesdavis Report post Posted August 20, 2004 The only way to get him over as THAT monster, is to not have him be a regular worker on the show. In other words, don't put him on TV every week. Like, you never know when the big scary giant might show up, and when he does, it's a big deal. EDIT: Loss beat me to the punch. That would work too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Evolution Report post Posted August 20, 2004 Big Show should be on every TV show, but only wrestle 2-3 times a year. He should play the bodyguard role for someone and never do comedy or be made fun of. Unfortunately, that Summerslam commercial wasn't very great in establishing Big Show as a heel in his return. I agree with this, for the most part, except that wrestlers should probably make fun of Big Show in the beginning. Would it be going to far for some wrestlers to try to be buddy-buddy with Show, recalling things like the Showster, only to have him manhandle them backstage? Having people think that Show is the fun-loving guy we expect him to be and then be a complete monster would be a sufficient way to handle him. I agree with only using him sparingly in the ring, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tjhe CyNick Report post Posted August 20, 2004 It seemed to me they were trying to make him a babyface. Maybe we finally get that Big Show-JBL program we've been dreaming about. The onyl way to book him is as a monster. Its not like he's going to tear it up in the ring, so he has to be protected with short matches mainly where he gets to squash people. However, there is only so far you can go with that, becaus eonce he runs out of CW's to squash he has to have normal matches and then he gets exposed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted August 20, 2004 Big Show deserves a title shot at a SD PPV damn it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BHK 0 Report post Posted August 20, 2004 It seemed to me they were trying to make him a babyface. Maybe we finally get that Big Show-JBL program we've been dreaming about. The onyl way to book him is as a monster. Its not like he's going to tear it up in the ring, so he has to be protected with short matches mainly where he gets to squash people. However, there is only so far you can go with that, becaus eonce he runs out of CW's to squash he has to have normal matches and then he gets exposed. Well, I partialyl agree. It depends on if Show is in shape. A tirm and fit Big Show can actually go pretty well in the ring. I can't recall specific matches off hand, as I was never a huge fan of the man, but I do seem to recall a general feeling that a fit Big Show with his working boots on could put out **-*** matches on a regular basis. For example, I seem to once recall in the Ross Report Ross stating that Show was hovering near 475-525 pounds at one point, and he needed to get down to about 400 or so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Angle-plex 0 Report post Posted August 20, 2004 Big Show could easily be the most feared heel in the company, but WWE just has no idea how to use him. They could just copy their Andre The Giant formula and it would work, probably even better since Show can actually have a watchable match. He should be an invincible heel basically, except only two things hurt him (1) Bradshaw clotheslines and (2) Undertaker submission locks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted August 20, 2004 Big Show should be the Smackdown champion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GreatOne Report post Posted August 20, 2004 Big Show? Oh cue the Rock lines here! They tried to make the 'big monster heel' how many times, guess what, they all sucked. --Early 2000 vs Rock begininning with the classic heel turn. "WAAAA, he called me a jabroni, WAAAAA", not exactly bringing Andre/Hogan to mind. --Early 2001 where he destroys Rock, Jericho, and Benoit after the tag match. They looked to be going with Kane/Taker vs HHH/Big Show for Wrestlemania, but they quickly realized that 'Hey it's the Big Show', the Rock was right, him being in the main event will ABSOLUTELY SUCK!!!!!!!!! --Late 2002 where he injures Brock legit and we get the classic WELL THOUGHT OUT Heyman heel turn of 'Brock, you can't F5 the Big Show', which he only does three times leading up to Survivor Series. Maybe he meant 'can't' as in forbidden. Of course all this preceded by months of jobbing on RAW, and you think JBL as champ is lame. --2003 vs Brock which rivaled Sid/El Gigante in big man vs big man stretcher matches. So I don't know how well try #5 (at least) is gonna go this time around. Guess what, it's not totally WWE misusing him either, how many times can you give him the ball when he keeps fumbling it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0 Report post Posted August 20, 2004 Brock never F-5'd Big Show leading up to Survivor Series. I was a big fan of Show from Survivor Series-post Royal Rumble. He was putting on decent matches and was very over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Twisted Intestine 0 Report post Posted August 20, 2004 1) Show should come back as Captain Insano. 2) He should no-sell the clothesline from hell, and chokeslam bradshaw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted August 20, 2004 I predict The Big Show will be the next WWE Champion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GreatOne Report post Posted August 20, 2004 Brock never F-5'd Big Show leading up to Survivor Series. 11/14/02 Smackdown Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted August 20, 2004 I predict The Big Show will be the next WWE Champion. That would be nice, yes. Then they can finally do that long-awaited Big Show/Eddie Guerrero feud...maybe even bringing up the fact that Big Show once beat Guerrero for the US Title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JoeyStyles Report post Posted August 20, 2004 Another lazy hoss in the main event spot that's what SD needs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
what 0 Report post Posted August 20, 2004 Show owns. He's been very good ever since he came to SmackDown. I would say that he should come back as a face but that would probably mean a nightmare program with Bradshaw which nobody wants to see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Teckneek Report post Posted August 21, 2004 WWE really needs to change Big Show's theme music. I really like in the video package that Teddy Long showed, the sound of the footsteps, they should use that at the begining of his theme, then go into some bad-ass song. They should also change his ring attire. I think they should make it like kurt angles outfit in that it has 2 shoulder straps and short trunks, then maybe outline it in silver, then like a silver Bigshow logo on the chest. Repackaging wrestlers sometimes gets them over more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Twisted Intestine 0 Report post Posted August 21, 2004 and then he can go by the name of... Captain Insano! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted August 21, 2004 Big show has a built in angle that is time honored, time tested since the 70's and 80's. He is a Giant. Theres your angle, theres your push. You Push the guy as a Giant. You don't need to get more creative then that. Plus given that fact that Men like Andre never wore the World title, didn't mean they were Squash machines and totally dominated 90% of their opponents. Big Show has been booked and worked like just another wrestler who happens to be around 7 foot and between 460-500... Instead him being what his character is by way of his genetics. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strummer 0 Report post Posted August 21, 2004 If someone would have told me in 1999 that there would be a pro-Big Show thread on a wrestling message board, there would have been no way I would believe it. For those not around on the net in 99-2000, he probably was the most hated wrestler in WWE by Smarks. After reading Herb Kunze's weekly "Tidbits" I would actually feel sorry for Show, as Herb would slaughter the poor guy. He has improved and can have good matches with the right people, but as people have been saying, they have to make his matches a big deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted August 21, 2004 Brock never F-5'd Big Show leading up to Survivor Series. 11/14/02 Smackdown Nope- Brock Lesnar beat the crap out of him with a chair and caused him to gig. He first F5ed the Big Show at Survivor Series. Paul Heyman turned on Lesnar because after HIAC, Brock had become a changed man and was no longer listening to what Heyman had to say. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scroby 0 Report post Posted August 21, 2004 Another lazy hoss in the main event spot that's what SD needs. Yeah when has Show been recently lazy? Every match the guy has he works his ass off. I didn't know working with a bad knee for months for the WWE to help buissness was being lazy. With that in mind, I can't wait for Show to comeback. I'm guessing he'll now be a face and feud with Angle? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Si82 0 Report post Posted August 21, 2004 Another lazy hoss in the main event spot that's what SD needs. I agree. I don't understand all of this love for Big Show. I mean, I think the guy sucks. WWE have dropped the ball so many times with him that I don't care about him. His ring name sucks, his music sucks and his matches suck. WWE should give him a total makeover. Ditch the crappy music, give him a new gimmick. Why not just make him a no-nonsense heel that is after the WWE Championship and never make him do comedy again. Mind you, I would only give the guy that after he dropped about 100 pounds first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Duncan Eternia Report post Posted August 21, 2004 Another lazy hoss in the main event spot that's what SD needs. Why not just make him a no-nonsense heel that is after the WWE Championship and never make him do comedy again. I agree about not making him look goofy through lame comedy scene.....but Big Show coming out to the ring as hogan at backlash was gold! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Si82 0 Report post Posted August 21, 2004 Another lazy hoss in the main event spot that's what SD needs. Why not just make him a no-nonsense heel that is after the WWE Championship and never make him do comedy again. I agree about not making him look goofy through lame comedy scene.....but Big Show coming out to the ring as hogan at backlash was gold! It was gold but it didn't do him any good did it? I mean, that whole "impression" phase they put him through was just pointless and then after that he jobbed to Shane McMahon in another pointless feud. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dobbs 3K 0 Report post Posted August 21, 2004 Well, the internet and critics are partly to blame for WWE trying so much comedy with him. Remember when everyone was raving about Big Show after his SNL appearance? That's where WWE got the idea that they had to have doing comedy and "entertaining" rather than being a legit threat to people. Personally, I agree with the person who said his gimmick is tired. They should drop the "Big Show" name...just call him Paul Wight. I like the idea of having him come out first and acting like he'll be fun-loving again, and then just have him be a total monster. Don't put him on every show, and don't make fun of him. Even if they do keep the Big Show name, at least for the love of everything good and decent give him new music! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boner Kawanger 0 Report post Posted August 21, 2004 Brock never F-5'd Big Show leading up to Survivor Series. 11/14/02 Smackdown Nope- Brock Lesnar beat the crap out of him with a chair and caused him to gig. He first F5ed the Big Show at Survivor Series. Paul Heyman turned on Lesnar because after HIAC, Brock had become a changed man and was no longer listening to what Heyman had to say. No, I can distinctly remember him giving Show the F5 at least once before Survivor Series, because everyone on-line was in disbelief that WWE blew its wad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Promoter 0 Report post Posted August 21, 2004 Big Show could easily be the most feared heel in the company, but WWE just has no idea how to use him. They could just copy their Andre The Giant formula and it would work, probably even better since Show can actually have a watchable match. You are correct, but you must have not seen Andre at his youthful best. Big Show is no Andre The Giant. You need to see his heeldom as Monster Rousimoff and his matches with guys like Stan Hansen. Big Show has never had matches like that. His Japan work had much more workrate to it. Here is an interesting excerpt from an Andre bio that can be found at the link below: www.wrestleline.com/columns/circa/circa052600.shtml "In his formative years in Montreal, Andre grappled with the likes of Butcher Vachon and Don Leo Jonathan, whom Andre is said to have particularly enjoyed working with because of his own size and ability. Along side Carpentier, Andre soon learned to work a very good match for a man of his immense frame. It was not uncommon to see Andre use ring psychology - such as wearing down his opponent's legs - or using moves like the body scissors or a surprise dropkick. With unprecedented size, impressive strength and deceiving wrestling ability, promoters and fans knew they were looking at a major star. When Vince McMahon, Jr. took the reigns of the WWF in 1982, Andre was still a major babyface for the promotion. His act had remarkable staying power. Unfortunately, his physical health was about to decline rapidly. Andre was quite literally the closest thing to a real-life giant a person could ever be - he suffered from the disease acromegaly, or "Giantism," which caused his body to constantly produce growth hormones. Andre could not stop growing in the head, hands, feet or chest. He was visibly falling out of good health, and he became less mobile in the ring. Never a quitter, Andre continued working for the rest of the decade." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
