Styles 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 Yeah I can't forget to give props to Cheney who's speech may have not been the most exciting, but may have been one of the most biting and influencial. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 Hahahaha. Look at this crazy shit. I continue to be impressed with all that Governor Barnes and Lieutenant Governor Taylor and the Speaker and the General Assembly are getting done over at the Gold Dome. Georgia is fortunate to have this kind of leadership. My job tonight is an easy one: to present to you one of this nation's authentic heroes, one of this party's best-known and greatest leaders – and a good friend. He was once a lieutenant governor – but he didn't stay in that office 16 years, like someone else I know. It just took two years before the people of Massachusetts moved him into the United States Senate in 1984. In his 16 years in the Senate, John Kerry has fought against government waste and worked hard to bring some accountability to Washington. Early in his Senate career in 1986, John signed on to the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Deficit Reduction Bill, and he fought for balanced budgets before it was considered politically correct for Democrats to do so. John has worked to strengthen our military, reform public education, boost the economy and protect the environment. Business Week magazine named him one of the top pro-technology legislators and made him a member of its "Digital Dozen." John was re-elected in 1990 and again in 1996 – when he defeated popular Republican Governor William Weld in the most closely watched Senate race in the country. John is a graduate of Yale University and was a gunboat officer in the Navy. He received a Silver Star, Bronze Star and three awards of the Purple Heart for combat duty in Vietnam. He later co-founded the Vietnam Veterans of America. From where did this bullshit come? http://miller.senate.gov/speeches/030101jjdinner.htm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 Seeing as how Kerry got no bump from the convention- the Democrats plan of 'play nice' didn't seem to work. George Bush is running against John Kerry so I think they have to attack him and try to convince the American voter that he's not the man for the job Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 Hahahaha. Look at this crazy shit. I continue to be impressed with all that Governor Barnes and Lieutenant Governor Taylor and the Speaker and the General Assembly are getting done over at the Gold Dome. Georgia is fortunate to have this kind of leadership. My job tonight is an easy one: to present to you one of this nation's authentic heroes, one of this party's best-known and greatest leaders – and a good friend. He was once a lieutenant governor – but he didn't stay in that office 16 years, like someone else I know. It just took two years before the people of Massachusetts moved him into the United States Senate in 1984. In his 16 years in the Senate, John Kerry has fought against government waste and worked hard to bring some accountability to Washington. Early in his Senate career in 1986, John signed on to the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Deficit Reduction Bill, and he fought for balanced budgets before it was considered politically correct for Democrats to do so. John has worked to strengthen our military, reform public education, boost the economy and protect the environment. Business Week magazine named him one of the top pro-technology legislators and made him a member of its "Digital Dozen." John was re-elected in 1990 and again in 1996 – when he defeated popular Republican Governor William Weld in the most closely watched Senate race in the country. John is a graduate of Yale University and was a gunboat officer in the Navy. He received a Silver Star, Bronze Star and three awards of the Purple Heart for combat duty in Vietnam. He later co-founded the Vietnam Veterans of America. From where did this bullshit come? http://miller.senate.gov/speeches/030101jjdinner.htm "TAKE THAT BACK TYLER!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 Cheney's speech looked a lot more moderate after Zell's mighty wind, and it might have actually improved Cheney's image tonight. He doesn't speak often, but I have to admit after listening that he is a good speaker, he doesn't shout into the microphone like so many other politicians do, thinking they need to yell to be heard like the amplifiers have somehow been turned off. The constant hammering of stuff like the $87 billion and other issues that have been similarly shot to hell and back kind of deflated it a bit, but the crowd was eating it up, although convention crowds always consist of the most simple-minded partisan flacks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted September 2, 2004 It was, brilliantly enough, the most HARSH anti-Kerry speech at the Convention. It was Al Sharpton's DNC speech --- if Sharpton knew how to deliver a speech well and wasn't a blithering racist. Here's the thing you're going to have to remember: At the DNC, Clinton's speech, Obama's speech, Kerry's speech, made only passing comments about Bush. At the DNC, Clinton's speech was all about Clinton. Rudy pimped Bush big-time. Arnold pimped Bush AND the Republican Party. Laura pimped Bush expertly. So, rather than having a racist charlatan bitching about Kerry --- Bush had a Senator do it for him. Brilliant --- especially how amazingly good the speech was. Amazing that this convention had three exquisite speeches. Kerry only invoked Bush by name once to make an admittedly half-assed attempt to ask that both sides keep it civil going into the election (of course, the 527s of either party wouldn't have any of that, but that's them.) Bush hasn't spoken yet, hate to break it to you. At the RNC, Giulianni invoked imagery of men falling 100+ stories and bursting on the ground to persuede voters. He pimped Bush BIG-TIME. He couldn't have pimped Bush more than he did. And Miller made one of the most vicious attacks we've seen from an elected official in the whole electoral process. One, that is DEMONSTRABLY false (you know what was said about Andrew Jackson?). Two, NONE of it was below the belt. People like you have bitched that the GOP is focusing on Kerry's Vietnam experience too much (even though the GOP has not really mentioned it) --- so Miller attacked his 20 YEAR SENATE CAREER. That is the message that the Republicans are broadcasting across all the networks in primetime. This is the "party of optimism," allegedly. You're really bad at spinning things. -=Mike ...Who, unlike Edwards, will remember this VP candidate's speech come tomorrow... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted September 2, 2004 Hahahaha. Look at this crazy shit. I continue to be impressed with all that Governor Barnes and Lieutenant Governor Taylor and the Speaker and the General Assembly are getting done over at the Gold Dome. Georgia is fortunate to have this kind of leadership. My job tonight is an easy one: to present to you one of this nation's authentic heroes, one of this party's best-known and greatest leaders – and a good friend. He was once a lieutenant governor – but he didn't stay in that office 16 years, like someone else I know. It just took two years before the people of Massachusetts moved him into the United States Senate in 1984. In his 16 years in the Senate, John Kerry has fought against government waste and worked hard to bring some accountability to Washington. Early in his Senate career in 1986, John signed on to the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Deficit Reduction Bill, and he fought for balanced budgets before it was considered politically correct for Democrats to do so. John has worked to strengthen our military, reform public education, boost the economy and protect the environment. Business Week magazine named him one of the top pro-technology legislators and made him a member of its "Digital Dozen." John was re-elected in 1990 and again in 1996 – when he defeated popular Republican Governor William Weld in the most closely watched Senate race in the country. John is a graduate of Yale University and was a gunboat officer in the Navy. He received a Silver Star, Bronze Star and three awards of the Purple Heart for combat duty in Vietnam. He later co-founded the Vietnam Veterans of America. From where did this bullshit come? http://miller.senate.gov/speeches/030101jjdinner.htm Hey, Tyler --- times have changed. Defense is the key issue --- not economics. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 Hahahaha. Look at this crazy shit. I continue to be impressed with all that Governor Barnes and Lieutenant Governor Taylor and the Speaker and the General Assembly are getting done over at the Gold Dome. Georgia is fortunate to have this kind of leadership. My job tonight is an easy one: to present to you one of this nation's authentic heroes, one of this party's best-known and greatest leaders – and a good friend. He was once a lieutenant governor – but he didn't stay in that office 16 years, like someone else I know. It just took two years before the people of Massachusetts moved him into the United States Senate in 1984. In his 16 years in the Senate, John Kerry has fought against government waste and worked hard to bring some accountability to Washington. Early in his Senate career in 1986, John signed on to the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Deficit Reduction Bill, and he fought for balanced budgets before it was considered politically correct for Democrats to do so. John has worked to strengthen our military, reform public education, boost the economy and protect the environment. Business Week magazine named him one of the top pro-technology legislators and made him a member of its "Digital Dozen." John was re-elected in 1990 and again in 1996 – when he defeated popular Republican Governor William Weld in the most closely watched Senate race in the country. John is a graduate of Yale University and was a gunboat officer in the Navy. He received a Silver Star, Bronze Star and three awards of the Purple Heart for combat duty in Vietnam. He later co-founded the Vietnam Veterans of America. From where did this bullshit come? http://miller.senate.gov/speeches/030101jjdinner.htm Just in case you didn't see that the first time I posted it. That Senate record really must've changed! ... Zell Miller: Making Howard Dean Like A Teddy Bear With Each Breath He Takes I just felt the need to repost that, by the way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted September 2, 2004 Hahahaha. Look at this crazy shit. I continue to be impressed with all that Governor Barnes and Lieutenant Governor Taylor and the Speaker and the General Assembly are getting done over at the Gold Dome. Georgia is fortunate to have this kind of leadership. My job tonight is an easy one: to present to you one of this nation's authentic heroes, one of this party's best-known and greatest leaders – and a good friend. He was once a lieutenant governor – but he didn't stay in that office 16 years, like someone else I know. It just took two years before the people of Massachusetts moved him into the United States Senate in 1984. In his 16 years in the Senate, John Kerry has fought against government waste and worked hard to bring some accountability to Washington. Early in his Senate career in 1986, John signed on to the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Deficit Reduction Bill, and he fought for balanced budgets before it was considered politically correct for Democrats to do so. John has worked to strengthen our military, reform public education, boost the economy and protect the environment. Business Week magazine named him one of the top pro-technology legislators and made him a member of its "Digital Dozen." John was re-elected in 1990 and again in 1996 – when he defeated popular Republican Governor William Weld in the most closely watched Senate race in the country. John is a graduate of Yale University and was a gunboat officer in the Navy. He received a Silver Star, Bronze Star and three awards of the Purple Heart for combat duty in Vietnam. He later co-founded the Vietnam Veterans of America. From where did this bullshit come? http://miller.senate.gov/speeches/030101jjdinner.htm Just in case you didn't see that the first time I posted it. Saw it. Doesn't matter even remotely. -=Mike ...In case you missed it, defense is the primary issue... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 John has worked to strengthen our military, Gee golly, it doesn't seem like ol' Zell had a problem with John's focus on defense in that speech, does it? He went out of his way to mention his committment to strengthening the military. He could've focused on domestic issues, but... ... John has worked to strengthen our military, Yes, that's right. "JOHN HAS WORKED TO STRENGTHEN OUR MILITARY!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 At the DNC, Clinton's speech was all about Clinton. Duh. Bubba loves to talk about nothing more than Bubba. But the point is that Bubba didn't sit around and talk about how Bush can't defend America. So, rather than having a racist charlatan bitching about Kerry I don't think Sharpton was included for any other reason than he would have made a big stink if he didn't, but that's just me. Brilliant --- especially how amazingly good the speech was. Amazing that this convention had three exquisite speeches. Are you truly telling me that you didn't notice all the lies? Are you that deaf and blind? I'll wait for the non-partisan dissection if need be, but surely you could have seen it all for yourself. Bush hasn't spoken yet, hate to break it to you. Exactly. Bush hasn't spoken yet, and already the primetime speakers have directly assailed Kerry way more than any primetime speaker at the DNC even mentioned Bush in passing. He pimped Bush BIG-TIME. He couldn't have pimped Bush more than he did. You don't seem to understand what a potential there is for backfire in bringing up the violence and barbarism and destruction and death of 9/11 to support a candidate. One, that is DEMONSTRABLY false (you know what was said about Andrew Jackson?). I meant THIS election. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 2, 2004 Part of me wants to see Bush win, because the left is still very splintered at this point. One of the positives of the sixties was that a lot of people realized that the problems in society did not exist in a vaccuum. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 Tyler.. does Zell Miller's face of optimism not tell you that while he praised Kerry in this decade, he has realized that Kerry is bad, because Kerry voted against stuff in the 80s, before Miller praised Kerry, and um.. my eyes are now crossed out of confusion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 "ZELL MILLER DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE CONFUSED. ZELL MILLER DOESN'T FLIP FLOP. LOOK, DON'T MAKE ZELL MILLER FUCKING KILL YOU, COCKSUCKER. ZELL MILLER WILL KILL YOU LIKE ZELL MILLER KILLED CHRIS MATTHEWS. PUNK ASS BITCH." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 "SHUT UP, WHORE! Fuckin' liberal. Fuckin' freedom hater. Fucking DIS-RESPECT-FUL." "Man, now I look like a huggable teddy bear." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 Anyone else find it ironic and wonderfully amusing that the former Dean love-slave is daring to call another politician as mentally unstable? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 HAHA! Zell Miller makes Howard Dean look like the poster child for mental stability. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jesse_ewiak 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 At this rate, Andrew Sullivan will be endorsing Kerry by the end of Bush's speech... Zell Miller's address will, I think, go down as a critical moment in this campaign, and maybe in the history of the Republican party. I kept thinking of the contrast with the Democrats' keynote speaker, Barack Obama, a post-racial, smiling, expansive young American, speaking about national unity and uplift. Then you see Zell Miller, his face rigid with anger, his eyes blazing with years of frustration as his Dixiecrat vision became slowly eclipsed among the Democrats. Remember who this man is: once a proud supporter of racial segregation, a man who lambasted LBJ for selling his soul to the negroes. His speech tonight was in this vein, a classic Dixiecrat speech, jammed with bald lies, straw men, and hateful rhetoric. As an immigrant to this country and as someone who has been to many Southern states and enjoyed astonishing hospitality and warmth and sophistication, I long dismissed some of the Northern stereotypes about the South. But Miller did his best to revive them. The man's speech was not merely crude; it added whole universes to the word crude. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 Of course, Dean showed signs of delusion when he said he would win the Massachusetts Primary. "CHRIS MATTHEWS, I CHALLENGE YOU TO A DUEL. WHATCHAGONNADO?" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jesse_ewiak 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 It's sad we can't have Dean v. Miller as like a side attraction to the debates. "Tonight, before debate one..."THE DOC" HOWARD DEAN VERSUS "TURNCOAT" ZELL MILLER IN A FIFTEEN FOOT HIGH STEEL CAGE! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 Maybe the Republicans will feature Zell in the next "Wild Eyed Democrats" ad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/9/2/05830/98912 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 "I WAS FOR JOHN KERRY'S VOTING RECORD ON THE MILITARY BEFORE I WAS AGAINST IT!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CronoT Report post Posted September 2, 2004 http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/9/2/05830/98912 Brilliant. Simply brilliant. Zell Miller has always struck me as being way off his rocker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justice 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 ALL I'M GOING TO SAY TO DEAN IS THIS: WHATCHA GONNA DO OUT THERE, WHEN YOUR FACING ME IN THAT 15 FOOT TALL STEEL CAGE AND 90,000 LITTLE ZELLSTERS ARE OUT THERE, WAITING FOR ZELLAMANIA TO RUN WILD ALL OVER YOU!? WHATCHA GONNA DO, COMMIE, WHATCHA GONNA DO?! Okay, that's fun as hell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5810451 The Hardball video is halfway down the page. Zell quotes: "What?" "I wanna get in your face!" "I think we oughta cancel this interview!" "You're hopeless." "Get outta my face" "I wish we lived in the day where you could challenge a person to a duel!" "I don't even know why I came on this program" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 I hate to admit this, but besides Zell Miller's debacle of an attempt to attack Kerry, I'd say the RNC has been more effective then the DNC. Their tactics have just been more organized and focused. Also I truly think Kerry's "after all this, I'd still vote for the war blah blah" bush-lite approach will come back to haunt him. The Democrats held a trump card, which was the ability to differentiate the Iraq War from "The War on Terrorism" the ball was in their court, they had an oppurtunity to bring up that Bush did a 180 shift from Bin Ladin/Afganistan and turned straight towards Iraq before the "mission was accomplished' He could have easily stated that Osama Bin Ladin is a name that has dissapeared from Dubya's vocabulary ever since the start of the Iraq war, and that Bush's focus and purpose definately changed. I think there was enough substance to argue these points whether everyone on this board agrees with them or not. To me, Kerry totally dropped the ball with the Vietnam schtick, and should have focused on why Bush TODAY has been a disaster for foreign policy.....I am kind of depressed, but at the same time not really suprised. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 You know that somewhere, in another plane of existance, modern America's favorite Republican watched the aftermath of tonight's event and is doing this: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 You know that somewhere, in another plane of existance, modern America's favorite Republican watched the aftermath of tonight's event and is doing this: You sure he's not doing that after reading this thread? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 I'll be the first to admit that a site called "Bushlies" isn't going to be taken as credible by anyone, but I'll skip their crap and give you direct links to the Miller interviews, Miller on CNN. Miller's speech is broken down and at one point you can see one of the hosts actually laughing at him. Wolf Blitzer mentions Cheney opposing some of the same defense systems Kerry is attacked for, and it's like talking to a brick wall. Miller on MSNBC. SHUT UP CHRIS MATTHEWS IM GONNA DUEL WITH YOU Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
