Highland 0 Report post Posted September 1, 2004 (edited) I'm wondering: is this entire election going to be rhetoric about the candidate's war records from 20-some years ago? I find it disturbing that the big debate (aside from the WoT) between those seeking to be the most powerfal man on Earth is whether one of the candidates wounded themselves to get a Purple Heart or the other went missing during his National Guard duty. Edited September 1, 2004 by Highland Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted September 1, 2004 Ok here is my take on using 9/11. Quite frankly, I am not upset about using it when it is relevent, however Guliani's speech was about 45 minutes of....."I watched the fireman do their work, I shook hands across NY, I put on a I*heart*NY hat and walked the streets, a man jumped out of a building to his own death. Oh yeah, and vote for Bush. Honestly. I couldn't even tell that the speech was about Bush being a good president, or if Rudy was running for Governor of NY. He never really explained why the aftermath of 9/11 showed Bush to be a strong leader. He kind of threw out that "the taliban heard from us" type statements, however that is flawed since Afganistan was clearly a smokescreen that was rushed through and left unfinished, in order to pave the way for the Iraqi war, which is evidenced by the fact that suicide bombings are still going on there, in fact the other day 7 american civilians were killed from a truck bomb, which receieved maybe a 2 second spot on some obscure media outlet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted September 1, 2004 passing this on. Apparently the DNC had various Republicans/Conservatives talking on the cable networks after the speeches. Yet, the RNC hasn't had that. Damn Liberal Media. At least Theresa LePore lost tonight Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted September 1, 2004 passing this on. Apparently the DNC had various Republicans/Conservatives talking on the cable networks after the speeches. Yet, the RNC hasn't had that. Damn Liberal Media. At least Theresa LePore lost tonight Actually the RNC does have that on MSNBC, it is the same lineup that was at the DNC, and they are all pretty civil in their debating. One difference is though, the DNC got no coverage on the three major networks, and Arnold got his speech along with Laura's on ABC/NBC/CBS........ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 John Kerry is getting OWNED by Zell Miller. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BUTT 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 *BUMP* Zell's on right now, and boy does he seem pissed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BUTT 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 And here comes Dick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 John Kerry is getting OWNED by Zell Miller. Except it's Zell Miller so everybody already knew what to expect. But man, he made Halliburton Dick look moderate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stephen Joseph 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 There's a reason why us Georgia peeps love Zell Miller He speaks his mind. I wouldnt be ashamed of being a Southern Democrat Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingPK 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 Man, Cheney's getting some good zingers in here. I admit, I chuckle at the "flip-flop, flip-flop, flip-flop!!" chants. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted September 2, 2004 *BUMP* Zell's on right now, and boy does he seem pissed. He isn't exactly being friendly to Chris Matthews, either. I have such platonic love for this man. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 Zell Miller is the wrong sort of guy to be interviewed by Chris Matthews. This is just a compressed ball of rage Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted September 2, 2004 Zell Miller is the wrong sort of guy to be interviewed by Chris Matthews. This is just a compressed ball of rage I'm SO loving this. Zell is not taking Chris' shit here. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 Zell Miller is the wrong sort of guy to be interviewed by Chris Matthews. This is just a compressed ball of rage I'm SO loving this. Zell is not taking Chris' shit here. -=Mike I'd take Zell Miller over Chris Matthews in a fistfight. And I don't like what Zell did either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 While I'll admit, Zell was ducking Mathew's questions it was fun as hell TV viewing to watch Zell threaten to kick Mathew's ass. Just awesome, don't piss off that man... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobobrazil1984 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 Zell had some funny lines, but there's something about him that doesn't sit right with me. I'm not sure what... he seems very Dean-like in his speaking, like he'd be right at home with the bush-is-hitler and clinton-was-satan crowds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 Zell Miller is a fucking tool. Woe be to whoever gives someone that insane a spot in government again. The FactCheck/Spinsanity articles debuking his speech will go on for pages. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 Zell Miller is a fucking tool. Woe be to whoever gives someone that insane a spot in government again. The FactCheck/Spinsanity articles debuking his speech will go on for pages. You wouldn't say that if he was a DNC mole. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 You wouldn't say that if he was a DNC mole. His spin was worse than Bill O'Reilly. "Do you think John Kerry wouldn't defend the US?" "I... I admire Mr. Kerry's service, and I've made that clear from the start." "That's not what I said, what I asked was..." "DON'T YOU GET LIPPY WITH ME, IT'S DUELIN TIME." While I would enjoy seeing him let out a large roar and chokeslam a protestor, it saddens me that the man has a place in government. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted September 2, 2004 While I'll admit, Zell was ducking Mathew's questions it was fun as hell TV viewing to watch Zell threaten to kick Mathew's ass. Just awesome, don't piss off that man... Let's keep in mind that Zell was WELL aware of the hose job Michelle Malkin suffered at Matthews and does not even REMOTELY trust the man. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 It's unfortunate that one of the protestors didn't try to rush onto the Matthews set when Miller was on, because I think Zell may be ripped their throat out if they had. Literally. With his teeth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 Miller was inside the building and talking via video feed, before the GOP handlers with the chains tackled him down and carried him away to his cage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 Zell Miller has just done what Pat Buchanan did for the 1992 campaign. Republicans everywhere had better hope that the ratings for this convention are catastrophically low, or this is something they may never recover from. Absolutely abominable performance by the "democrat"; between his hysterical accusations and negative vibes and the fact that he was flat out lying half the time, he and whomever booked him (not to mention whomever approved his speech) should be rendered irrelevant ten times worse than Howard Dean was ever made. This was a hilarious performance to top off one of the weakest conventions ever. Even better, not even the laughably conservative CNN analysts could do anything but bash the fuck out of that tool. I'm so proud to not be a Republican tonight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted September 2, 2004 Zell Miller has just done what Pat Buchanan did for the 1992 campaign. Republicans everywhere had better hope that the ratings for this convention are catastrophically low, or this is something they may never recover from. Keep telling yourself that. This wasn't a class warfare thing. This wasn't a "Gays are bad" speech. It was, brilliantly enough, the most HARSH anti-Kerry speech at the Convention. It was Al Sharpton's DNC speech --- if Sharpton knew how to deliver a speech well and wasn't a blithering racist. Absolutely abominable performance by the "democrat"; between his hysterical accusations and negative vibes and the fact that he was flat out lying half the time, he and whomever booked him (not to mention whomever approved his speech) should be rendered irrelevant ten times worse than Howard Dean was ever made. This was a hilarious performance to top off one of the weakest conventions ever. Even better, not even the laughably conservative CNN analysts could do anything but bash the fuck out of that tool. Man, is the sun yellow in your alternate universe? THIS is what a Convention is supposed to be. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 A red-faced, hysterical rant is what the convention is supposed to be? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 Zell Miller scares me. A lot. How is he a Democrat? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted September 2, 2004 A red-faced, hysterical rant is what the convention is supposed to be? One speech attacking Kerry's Senate record (you know, the "fair" stuff) is hardly something to whine about. Zell gave one awesome speech. And, even better, it was a Democrat who slammed Kerry --- not a Republican. Zell simply spelled out ALL of Kerry's voting problems. Miller made biting, harsh --- and FAIR attacks. Then Cheney came on and cleaned house in a very sober, calm speech. -=Mike ...So, what IS fair to question --- since, apparently, his military service, his post-military activities, and his Senate record are now not... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 A red-faced, hysterical rant is what the convention is supposed to be? When it's a passionate, dead on, downright personal critism of an opponent, while also an unwaivering endorsement of the candidate, from a member of the opposition no less, it's not just effective, it's downright BRILLIANT. Besides Obama (who MD. Lt. Governor Michael Steele rightfully said in his speech yesterday {you'd have to watch C-Span to see it though} gave an excellent Republican speech) no one else impressed me much at the DNC or really made me feel excited about John Kerry. So far I can't decide whether I've liked Rudy, Arnold or Zell's speech the most. And the beauty of it is that they were all so different. Laura so outclassed Theresa it's not even a comparison. I don't know how you can call this convention a disaster. This has been great! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted September 2, 2004 Cheney's "America sees two John Kerrys" line was absolute gold. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted September 2, 2004 It was, brilliantly enough, the most HARSH anti-Kerry speech at the Convention. It was Al Sharpton's DNC speech --- if Sharpton knew how to deliver a speech well and wasn't a blithering racist. Here's the thing you're going to have to remember: At the DNC, Clinton's speech, Obama's speech, Kerry's speech, made only passing comments about Bush. Kerry only invoked Bush by name once to make an admittedly half-assed attempt to ask that both sides keep it civil going into the election (of course, the 527s of either party wouldn't have any of that, but that's them.) At the RNC, Giulianni invoked imagery of men falling 100+ stories and bursting on the ground to persuede voters. And Miller made one of the most vicious attacks we've seen from an elected official in the whole electoral process. That is the message that the Republicans are broadcasting across all the networks in primetime. This is the "party of optimism," allegedly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
