Dangerous A 0 Report post Posted October 12, 2004 This will just make WWE all the more weaker. While not all of Patterson's ideas were gold (some were pure shit) he was THE man in laying out matches in the back and I have a feeling you will see the quality in match endings take a dive very, very quickly. I really hope Patterson gets on OTR or WOL and just lets loose on the going-ons in the lockeroom of the WWE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downhome 0 Report post Posted October 12, 2004 ...and I have a feeling you will see the quality in match endings take a dive very, very quickly. So what you are saying is that things will go from bad to worse? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted October 12, 2004 I always thought Brisco was the yes man of the duo. Great, Vince probably ignores the wakeup call, WWE gets worse than it is now (which is really hard ti magine since it's simply horrible now), and HHH-a-mania will run wild even more. What's it going to take for Vince to realize HHH is NOT the answer? A smack in the head with a crowbar, or a sledge hammer? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted October 12, 2004 If Patterson leaves, who's going to provide the miracle booking whenever Vince decides to have Hogan wrestle again? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Enigma 0 Report post Posted October 12, 2004 I remember when everyone thought the WWF was going to die when Vince Russo left. heh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted October 12, 2004 Patterson played a yes man on TV, but I don't think he's ever been a yes man per se in real life. This situation reminds me of some experiences my dad told me about in the car business. My dad was a fairly well regarded salesman, and usually had some favor with the boss. At a few dealerships however the boss's daughter would marry some dumbass who was then given all sorts of power beyond his ability, and of course would fuck business up. My dad would inevitably get sick of not being listened to and move on to another dealership. It's no wonder my dad has said "I've known the HHH type for years." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quit Calling My Mama 0 Report post Posted October 12, 2004 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted October 12, 2004 So if Patterson leaves does this mean that La Resistence will lose the tag team titles soon and that Rene Dupree will be the next Val Venis.......only to be seen on Velocity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gary Floyd 0 Report post Posted October 12, 2004 I always thought Brisco was the yes man of the duo. Great, Vince probably ignores the wakeup call, WWE gets worse than it is now (which is really hard ti magine since it's simply horrible now), and HHH-a-mania will run wild even more. What's it going to take for Vince to realize HHH is NOT the answer? A smack in the head with a crowbar, or a sledge hammer? I think HHH has the sledgehammer Man,this really sucks. Someday, if the WWE finally dies, I wonder if Vince will realize what/who led to it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted October 12, 2004 I always thought Brisco was the yes man of the duo. Great, Vince probably ignores the wakeup call, WWE gets worse than it is now (which is really hard ti magine since it's simply horrible now), and HHH-a-mania will run wild even more. What's it going to take for Vince to realize HHH is NOT the answer? A smack in the head with a crowbar, or a sledge hammer? I think HHH has the sledgehammer Man,this really sucks. Someday, if the WWE finally dies, I wonder if Vince will realize what/who led to it. The internets killed wwe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobobrazil1984 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2004 bahahahahaha *laughing at Vince* You moron. This sort of crap has only been building since like 2002 (before actually), but of course there are always plenty of apologists, here, and no doubt in WWE also. HHH has already driven ME away from WWE as a regular viewer since the springtime. Of course he's not on SD and i dont watch that either, but h constantly being in the spotlight is just too tiresome. After three or four years of it, and he's really not that great. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2004 I get the feeling Patterson left because of Taboo Tuesday. It's so revolutionary that it's too revolutionary. Patterson is too damn old school to see how this will change the world because it truly is the ultimate in fan participation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TroughOfMantaur Report post Posted October 13, 2004 Meltzer has said on Wrestling Classics that while Brisco is a genuine yes man, Patterson isn't and has likely been as annoyed as we have at recent things like the Orton/HHH debacle, etc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2004 I remember when everyone thought the WWF was going to die when Vince Russo left. heh. One, I don't think anyone could have seriously thought that the WWF was going to die when Russo left. Secondly, no one single person leaving is going to kill WWE, or any company; it'll be a series of blunders that does that. And thirdly, Patterson's influence is more important, at least over the long term, than Russo's, at least as far as the in ring stuff goes. Because of that, I think Patterson's departure is going to do more damage than Russo's ever did, in ways that might not even be obvious to a lot of people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2004 I remember when everyone thought the WWF was going to die when Vince Russo left. heh. Who is this 'everyone'? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
what 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2004 I remember when everyone thought the WWF was going to die when Vince Russo left. heh. Who is this 'everyone'? At the time, a ton of people thought it was turn the tide and make WCW a competitor again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teke184 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2004 Patterson has been one of Rock's biggest supporters for a long time... This makes me infer two things: 1. The "It doesn't matter" riff by Trips recently may have been a subtle "fuck you" to Pat 2. Rock, while not exactly a regular WWE guy anymore, is much less likely to come back now. The crap with Jericho and Hurricane getting screwed already seemed to have gotten on his nerves and this may convince him it's not worth the hassle anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted October 13, 2004 I get the feeling Patterson left because of Taboo Tuesday. It's so revolutionary that it's too revolutionary. Patterson is too damn old school to see how this will change the world because it truly is the ultimate in fan participation. HBK/HHH iron man matches on every show for the next decade? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2004 Well, I guess there is always Smackdown. If only they will trade Benoit back there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2004 I remember when everyone thought the WWF was going to die when Vince Russo left. heh. Who is this 'everyone'? At the time, a ton of people thought it was turn the tide and make WCW a competitor again. I dont remember this... I didnt realize the internets community took Russo so seriously Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2004 Actually yes, for a while (and I mean just a month or two in late 1999) it looked as if WCW could MAYBE turn it around under Russo. The WWF product during the first HHH title push was pretty sad really, what with pushing guys who really didn't have it anymore (like Bulldog, who is my favorite wrestler ever but was on his last legs) and having shows that were a serious step down from what they'd been doing 6 months earlier. WCW actually was a fresh and enjoyable show for the first month or two of the Russo "Powers That Be" era. It was certainly leagues better than the dreck they'd produced during the Summer of 1999, which was some of the worst garbage ever to be seen. Eventually WCW reverted back to yet another NWO incarnation and seemingly everyone on the roster got hurt at the wrong time: World champ Bret Hart had the career ending injury vs. Goldberg, US champ Jeff Jarrett forfeited his title due to a concussion, etc. From there Russo did seemingly everything wrong, wanting to put the title on Tank Abbott in a battle royale the most shocking suggestion. Sensing that Russo was totally insane (and really who could blame them?), he was relieved of command and Kevin Sullivan was named booker. At that point the Radicals all jumped ship and the company was toast, staggering to its end over the next year. But yeah, for maybe 2 months (Oct.-Nov. 1999) it looked as though WCW might have a shot at getting their act together. It just all fell apart VERY fast. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kizzo 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2004 Yep...Patterson and The Rock are very good friends(and continues to support Rock in the locker room)...and if this is true...I'm sure this will piss the Rock off....if it was all done by politics... Which now brings me to this....if Patterson can't get through to McMahon....a guy that McMahon would always listen to in years past....then who the hell can......this is a bad sign for things to come IMO... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bottyboy Report post Posted October 13, 2004 Maybe Pat just got tired, and wanted to retire...That does happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Valcourt Report post Posted October 13, 2004 He probably is tired, and ready to be done with the biz. It just seems easier to blame it on HHH. Yeah, it's HHH's fault. FUCK HIM! Ahh.. I feel better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted October 13, 2004 Maybe it's a very weird coincidence that just a week after bad mouthing HHH for being the focus of RAW for the past 76 years he decided to retire too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DeathBecomesYou Report post Posted October 13, 2004 Just thinking, if someone who's been with the company for 30 odd years leaves on less than pleasant terms, it doesn't do much for the idea of the "WWE Family" does it? It doesn't really fit their whole concept of everyone getting along when even one of Vince's closest confidants has had enough of the bullshit and wants out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2004 I didnt realize the internet community took Russo so seriously He listened to the internet back then, and based his decisions on the feedback he got on the internet. He openly admitted this very frequently back then. When the little person finally has someone who listens to them, they're bound to defend that person, no matter how much their faith is misguided. And I can see only the most blinkered of Russo fans genuinely thinking that Russo leaving the WWF could have killed it, or even done serious damage. To actually think Russo leaving for WCW could have turned things around would require totally ignoring or grossly downplaying the political minefield that was WCW. It wouldn't have mattered if someone with the combined creative talent of Heyman, McMahon, Raven and Shakespeare had taken over WCW at that point; the politics would have wound up taking WCW down the same path. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
geniusMoment 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2004 I guess this makes it official, no more stooges. I am going to miss they way he had that cig behind his ear, and the way he always wore tennis shoes with a suit even though it makes one look like a jackass. Seriously, what is the deal with people wearing tennis shoes and a suit, it makes them look horrible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
humongous2002 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2004 Wow... just wow. Is Vince McMahon really that out of touch with reality? The fans are saying it, other wrestlers are saying it, the ratings are reflecting it, and even his long-time friend Pat Patterson is saying it: Triple H is killing Raw! Triple H has been killing RAW since 2002 and it seems the killing will never stop. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SamoaRowe 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2004 Wow... just wow. Is Vince McMahon really that out of touch with reality? The fans are saying it, other wrestlers are saying it, the ratings are reflecting it, and even his long-time friend Pat Patterson is saying it: Triple H is killing Raw! Triple H has been killing RAW since 2002 and it seems the killing will never stop. Is it wrong for me to wish a second quad tear on Triple H? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
