EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2004 Jeff Kent Gary Sheffield Both guys could use 2-3 more seasons. Kent is slowly sneaking into the argument, while Sheffield is knocking on the door. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2004 ::reads thread title:: Of course I am. Not enough posts Also is questionable when it comes to clutch-posting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mike546 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2004 Derek Jeter Mariano Rivera Olerud Jeter, not yet. He's similar to Trammell, who isn't close to the Hall, but should be in. Sorry, maybe I should have made my Jeter question more specific. Lets say Jeter stays on the same pace hes on now for another 4-6 years. Is he in? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2004 Shawn Green Marquis Grissom BJ Surhoff Ron Guidry Charles Nagy Matt Williams Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2004 Quote: "Shawn Green Marquis Grissom BJ Surhoff Ron Guidry Charles Nagy Matt Williams" NONE of them belong in the hall. My ask: Mariano Rivera? Postseason, so what. He's a fucking closer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted October 16, 2004 How about Don Mattingly? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treble 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2004 How about David Wells? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2004 Shawn Green Marquis Grissom BJ Surhoff Ron Guidry Charles Nagy Matt Williams Of that group, only Ron Guidry has any kind of argument, and he's not in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2004 How about Don Mattingly? I'm sure I covered Mattingly extensively at some point. He declined too quickly. How about David Wells? The weird thing about Wells is that he's very similar to Jaime Moyer. Both are low-strikeout low walk control pitchers in their early 40s. Wells is 212-136, and Moyer is 192-145. Wells isn't a HOF caliber pitcher, in my view. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2004 Randy Johnson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2004 Randy Johnson You're not serious are you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Man in Blak 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2004 I don't remember if you did a Keltner's List for him, but what about the recently-retired Robin Ventura? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goatfish Report post Posted October 16, 2004 Bobby Abreu, Vlad Guererro, and Omar Vizquel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2004 I don't remember seeing you cover it Al (but I'm obvious you have and I've missed the thread)... Eric Gagne. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2004 ::reads thread title:: Of course I am. Not enough posts Also is questionable when it comes to clutch-posting He posted using performance-enhancing drugs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrRant 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2004 Jay Buhner? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B. Brian Brunzell 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2004 How about Andres Galarraga? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest fanofcoils Report post Posted October 16, 2004 Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest fanofcoils Report post Posted October 16, 2004 That was a joke in case if someone thought I was serious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2004 Bobby Abreu Al's likely to burn down the museum if Abreu's not a inducted immediatley after he retires. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted October 16, 2004 I'm Curious more about "THE HAT" for the following Roger Clemens (Boston, Toronto, New York Yankees, Houston) Randy Johnson (Seattle, Arizona) Roberto Alomar (Toronto, Cleveland, Baltimore, New York Mets) Gary Shefffield (Milwauke, Florida, Los Angles, Atlanta, New York Yankees) Mark McGwire (Oakland and St. Louis) Mike Mussina (Baltimore and New York) Manny Rameriz (Cleveland and Boston) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixrising 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2004 Todd Helton Edgar Martinez Javy Lopez Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted October 16, 2004 ::reads thread title:: Of course I am. Not enough posts Also is questionable when it comes to clutch-posting He posted using performance-enhancing drugs. THAT IS PREPOSTEROUS VITAMIN X HAS NEVER AND WILL NEVER USE POST ENHANCING DRUGS AND TO EVEN INSINUATE SO IS AN INSULT TO THE CREDIBILITY OF THE BOARD AND ALL IT REPRESENTS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2004 Randy Johnson Anyone who votes against him should have his/her BBWAA membership revoked. I don't remember if you did a Keltner's List for him, but what about the recently-retired Robin Ventura? Not a chance. Bobby Abreu, Vlad Guererro, and Omar Vizquel As much as I'd like to endorse him, Abreu is probably not having a HOF career. Vlad Guerrero should easily make the Hall if he maintains this career path. As for Vizquel, I dismissed him in depth... http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?...0entry1576503 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2004 Eric Gagne Not a chance. He needs to be an elite closer for another decade. Jay Buhner? Not a chance. How about Andres Galarraga? Just like Olerud and Grace, there are several first basemen who were better in this era. Todd Helton Edgar Martinez Javy Lopez Helton is having a HOF career. He needs to keep it going another 7-8 years. Edgar in my view is a HOFer. I've never seen Javy as a HOFer, but his four best age 33 comps are in, so he's got a chance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Kamala 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2004 I'm Curious more about "THE HAT" for the following Roger Clemens (Boston, Toronto, New York Yankees, Houston) Randy Johnson (Seattle, Arizona) Roberto Alomar (Toronto, Cleveland, Baltimore, New York Mets) Gary Shefffield (Milwauke, Florida, Los Angles, Atlanta, New York Yankees) Mark McGwire (Oakland and St. Louis) Mike Mussina (Baltimore and New York) Manny Rameriz (Cleveland and Boston) Roger Clemens: Boston Randy Johnson: Arizona Roberto Alomar: Hmmm....I'd go with Cleveland. Gary Sheffield: Florida....he won his sole(As of now) World Series there. Mark McGwire: I'd say Oakland, St. Louis has an argument though. Mike Mussina: New York Manny Ramirez: Probably Boston. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted October 16, 2004 Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Clemens went in wearing the Yankee pinstripes..........that was the team he actually WON with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2004 Gary Sheffield: Florida....he won his sole(As of now) World Series there. By this, shouldn't Clemens go in as a Yankee and Alomar as a Blue Jay? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DerangedHermit 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2004 How about the hat for: Mike Piazza (Met or Dodger) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2004 IIRC, Al's said he doesn't think Piazza is a HoFer, so the hat issue would be moot If I'm wrong, apologies in advance to Al Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
