EVIL~! alkeiper Posted October 16, 2004 Author Report Posted October 16, 2004 Jeff Kent Gary Sheffield Both guys could use 2-3 more seasons. Kent is slowly sneaking into the argument, while Sheffield is knocking on the door.
Slayer Posted October 16, 2004 Report Posted October 16, 2004 ::reads thread title:: Of course I am. Not enough posts Also is questionable when it comes to clutch-posting
mike546 Posted October 16, 2004 Report Posted October 16, 2004 Derek Jeter Mariano Rivera Olerud Jeter, not yet. He's similar to Trammell, who isn't close to the Hall, but should be in. Sorry, maybe I should have made my Jeter question more specific. Lets say Jeter stays on the same pace hes on now for another 4-6 years. Is he in?
snuffbox Posted October 16, 2004 Report Posted October 16, 2004 Shawn Green Marquis Grissom BJ Surhoff Ron Guidry Charles Nagy Matt Williams
UseTheSledgehammerUh Posted October 16, 2004 Report Posted October 16, 2004 Quote: "Shawn Green Marquis Grissom BJ Surhoff Ron Guidry Charles Nagy Matt Williams" NONE of them belong in the hall. My ask: Mariano Rivera? Postseason, so what. He's a fucking closer.
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted October 16, 2004 Author Report Posted October 16, 2004 Shawn Green Marquis Grissom BJ Surhoff Ron Guidry Charles Nagy Matt Williams Of that group, only Ron Guidry has any kind of argument, and he's not in.
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted October 16, 2004 Author Report Posted October 16, 2004 How about Don Mattingly? I'm sure I covered Mattingly extensively at some point. He declined too quickly. How about David Wells? The weird thing about Wells is that he's very similar to Jaime Moyer. Both are low-strikeout low walk control pitchers in their early 40s. Wells is 212-136, and Moyer is 192-145. Wells isn't a HOF caliber pitcher, in my view.
Slayer Posted October 16, 2004 Report Posted October 16, 2004 Randy Johnson You're not serious are you?
The Man in Blak Posted October 16, 2004 Report Posted October 16, 2004 I don't remember if you did a Keltner's List for him, but what about the recently-retired Robin Ventura?
Guest goatfish Posted October 16, 2004 Report Posted October 16, 2004 Bobby Abreu, Vlad Guererro, and Omar Vizquel
Lightning Flik Posted October 16, 2004 Report Posted October 16, 2004 I don't remember seeing you cover it Al (but I'm obvious you have and I've missed the thread)... Eric Gagne.
The Czech Republic Posted October 16, 2004 Report Posted October 16, 2004 ::reads thread title:: Of course I am. Not enough posts Also is questionable when it comes to clutch-posting He posted using performance-enhancing drugs.
Guest fanofcoils Posted October 16, 2004 Report Posted October 16, 2004 Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens?
Guest fanofcoils Posted October 16, 2004 Report Posted October 16, 2004 That was a joke in case if someone thought I was serious.
Vern Gagne Posted October 16, 2004 Report Posted October 16, 2004 Bobby Abreu Al's likely to burn down the museum if Abreu's not a inducted immediatley after he retires.
Guest The Shadow Behind You Posted October 16, 2004 Report Posted October 16, 2004 I'm Curious more about "THE HAT" for the following Roger Clemens (Boston, Toronto, New York Yankees, Houston) Randy Johnson (Seattle, Arizona) Roberto Alomar (Toronto, Cleveland, Baltimore, New York Mets) Gary Shefffield (Milwauke, Florida, Los Angles, Atlanta, New York Yankees) Mark McGwire (Oakland and St. Louis) Mike Mussina (Baltimore and New York) Manny Rameriz (Cleveland and Boston)
phoenixrising Posted October 16, 2004 Report Posted October 16, 2004 Todd Helton Edgar Martinez Javy Lopez
Guest Vitamin X Posted October 16, 2004 Report Posted October 16, 2004 ::reads thread title:: Of course I am. Not enough posts Also is questionable when it comes to clutch-posting He posted using performance-enhancing drugs. THAT IS PREPOSTEROUS VITAMIN X HAS NEVER AND WILL NEVER USE POST ENHANCING DRUGS AND TO EVEN INSINUATE SO IS AN INSULT TO THE CREDIBILITY OF THE BOARD AND ALL IT REPRESENTS
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted October 16, 2004 Author Report Posted October 16, 2004 Randy Johnson Anyone who votes against him should have his/her BBWAA membership revoked. I don't remember if you did a Keltner's List for him, but what about the recently-retired Robin Ventura? Not a chance. Bobby Abreu, Vlad Guererro, and Omar Vizquel As much as I'd like to endorse him, Abreu is probably not having a HOF career. Vlad Guerrero should easily make the Hall if he maintains this career path. As for Vizquel, I dismissed him in depth... http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?...0entry1576503
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted October 16, 2004 Author Report Posted October 16, 2004 Eric Gagne Not a chance. He needs to be an elite closer for another decade. Jay Buhner? Not a chance. How about Andres Galarraga? Just like Olerud and Grace, there are several first basemen who were better in this era. Todd Helton Edgar Martinez Javy Lopez Helton is having a HOF career. He needs to keep it going another 7-8 years. Edgar in my view is a HOFer. I've never seen Javy as a HOFer, but his four best age 33 comps are in, so he's got a chance.
King Kamala Posted October 16, 2004 Report Posted October 16, 2004 I'm Curious more about "THE HAT" for the following Roger Clemens (Boston, Toronto, New York Yankees, Houston) Randy Johnson (Seattle, Arizona) Roberto Alomar (Toronto, Cleveland, Baltimore, New York Mets) Gary Shefffield (Milwauke, Florida, Los Angles, Atlanta, New York Yankees) Mark McGwire (Oakland and St. Louis) Mike Mussina (Baltimore and New York) Manny Rameriz (Cleveland and Boston) Roger Clemens: Boston Randy Johnson: Arizona Roberto Alomar: Hmmm....I'd go with Cleveland. Gary Sheffield: Florida....he won his sole(As of now) World Series there. Mark McGwire: I'd say Oakland, St. Louis has an argument though. Mike Mussina: New York Manny Ramirez: Probably Boston.
Guest Dynamite Kido Posted October 16, 2004 Report Posted October 16, 2004 Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Clemens went in wearing the Yankee pinstripes..........that was the team he actually WON with.
alfdogg Posted October 16, 2004 Report Posted October 16, 2004 Gary Sheffield: Florida....he won his sole(As of now) World Series there. By this, shouldn't Clemens go in as a Yankee and Alomar as a Blue Jay?
DerangedHermit Posted October 16, 2004 Report Posted October 16, 2004 How about the hat for: Mike Piazza (Met or Dodger)
Slayer Posted October 16, 2004 Report Posted October 16, 2004 IIRC, Al's said he doesn't think Piazza is a HoFer, so the hat issue would be moot If I'm wrong, apologies in advance to Al
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