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Note: At least WCW had the excuse of having idiot writers for putting on bad PPV's. Whats TNA's excuse? They have more than enough talent on the roster, yet cram about 90% of them into a battle royale, put on a stinker of a match that should've been 4-stars, had JEFF HARDY main event a $30 PPV, had the B-Team 3LK challenge for the tag titles, brought in Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, and Randy Savage to do nothing but stand around giving each other hair care tips, shafted AJ Styles and Petey Williams by giving them barely 10:00 to have a match on a 3 hour PPV, and brought in Piper and Snuka to talk for 10 minutes about their coconuts. They put on a meaningless womens match with Titzilla vs. Trinity, the ugliest female wrestler, and have a MEXICAN MINIS MATCH.

 

Any idiot can see that this PPV should've and did bomb.

Looneytune for mod!!!

 

I'll download this before giving an opinion on it. Sounds like that last man standing match was one of those things that just don't workout for whatever reason.

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From 1Bob:

 

"Elix Skipper was taken by ambulance to a local hospital in Orlando following the Last Man Standing match vs AMW at TNA's Victory Road PPV.

 

Skipper suffered what is thought to be a concussion early in the match and was disjointed and unaware of his surroundings throughout the remainder of the match. Backstage after the match he didn't remember anything that had happened during the match."

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Amazingly, I enjoyed this PPV. You can tell that the production values have increased tenfold and the company was really giving it their all tonight. Some matches were good, albeit short. Some weren't great and the main event wasn't good either, but that was to be expected based on the card on paper.

 

They wanted to establish Trinity, so they put her over the known face, Jacqueline. Albeit with interference, so I don't think it's a one time appearance for her.

 

Triple X & AMW have had WAY better matches and there were too many spots blown.

 

The Piper/Snuka segment really didn't go anywhere and that's not who the X Guys need the rub from.

 

There should have been no midget match.

 

But, I do see a LOT of good coming out of this PPV.

 

Green or not, Monty Brown sure is over and that Monster's Ball match got a "This is awesome" chant from a casual crowd. That sure said a lot to me.

 

The main event had constant "Let's Go Jarrett" and "Let's Go Hardy" matches, so it did have some heat.

 

Williams vs. Styles got the crowd going, the finish was fucking BANANAS and both men got over. Styles got even more over after the main event.

 

Dave Sahadi is going a kick ass job with the video packages as I would say that they introduced many of the characters perfectly.

 

Triple X & AMW's post match angle did a good job of getting heat.

 

They've set up a couple of matches for the next PPV.

 

The Bottom Line is that it gave us 3 hours of a non-WWE PPV with styles & enough action that you don't see in WWE these days for the casual fan to have their interest peaked.

 

I was very impressed with their effort and if Jarrett can get his head out of his ass in terms of booking the main event scene and stop trying to dominate it, this company could have a fighting chance.

 

Dames

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Less then 10 minutes for AJ v. Petey???????

 

TNA does it again

 

For everyone who is saying Williams/Styles should have gotten more time... I do not. I loved that match... it was similar to Kidman/London from WWE, except even better.

 

The Reason I think It shouldn't have gotten more time is because Petey won... and it makes you want more.. more for the next ppv, AJ vs Petey Williams at the NEXT PPV with 20-25 + minutes makes you wanna order it doesnt it?

 

Now if they completely skip this, and jam to "rematch" into Impact in about 5 minutes... then it was stupid to make that match 10 minutes. But if they go the road I said, and book it for the 2nd Pay Per View... this match was amazing as it was.. and I want more... and ill damn sure order TNA's 2nd PPV if it even has a remote chance of having a decent supporting Card to the AJ/Williams match..

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Jarrett had to win, I couldn't bear to see Jeff fucking Hardy the world champion. :throwup:

 

I'm surprised about Piper / Snuka though, where's Rikishi when you need him?

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TNA isn't smart enough to book a X-Division Match longer than 12:42.

I tremble in your mighty posting presence.

I'd rather have a shorter match that works, than a longer one that doesn't work as well.

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Less then 10 minutes for AJ v. Petey???????

 

TNA does it again

 

For everyone who is saying Williams/Styles should have gotten more time... I do not. I loved that match... it was similar to Kidman/London from WWE, except even better.

 

The Reason I think It shouldn't have gotten more time is because Petey won... and it makes you want more.. more for the next ppv, AJ vs Petey Williams at the NEXT PPV with 20-25 + minutes makes you wanna order it doesnt it?

 

Now if they completely skip this, and jam to "rematch" into Impact in about 5 minutes... then it was stupid to make that match 10 minutes. But if they go the road I said, and book it for the 2nd Pay Per View... this match was amazing as it was.. and I want more... and ill damn sure order TNA's 2nd PPV if it even has a remote chance of having a decent supporting Card to the AJ/Williams match..

I agree with that, it seems like they booked an Impact style match for the PPV, which shouldn't be happening, and it will be stupid if they do the rematch on Impact and basically give it away for free. If they do a 20+ minute rematch at the December PPV, great, but it seems like they're setting up AJ/Hardy/Savage v. JJ/Hall/Nash, so don't hold your breath....

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Guest LooneyTune
TNA isn't smart enough to book a X-Division Match longer than 12:42.

I tremble in your mighty posting presence.

I'd rather have a shorter match that works, than a longer one that doesn't work as well.

Except 90% of the TNA X-Division Title Matches in the last 18 months have peaked at "average" and when they DO book a can't miss match, they give it maybe 10 minutes tops with a dead crowd or the match doesn't click.

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I still can't tell who is uglier, Jacqueline or Trinity...

 

TNA BOMBSHELLS!!!!!!!!!!!

Jacqueline.

 

Trinity has a nice body, she's just a butter face.

 

Jacqueline though......*shudders*

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I really enjoyed the show tonight. It was the first time I have enjoyed TNA in probably a year, but I will watch the next ppv, and give their show another try. If they continue to use jobber matches I will stop again. Actually, this is the first wrestling event period I have enjoyed in a year, sans old tapes.

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Guest BrokenWings

Just finished watching the tape, and yeah, AMW/XXX was disappointing. I didn't think it was negative stars bad, perhaps Keller rated it as such because he had very high hopes. I thought it was quite clear Skipper had no idea where he was, so I don't really fault him for his performance. Bad karma, I suppose.

 

The main event was just sort of there. I didn't think it was bad, nor did I think it was good. I don't know where they're going from here, as I'm praying we don't have to sit through Hall/Nash -v- Macho/Hardy matches, or something of that kind. But I can't think of anything else for Hardy to do, really.

 

I thought it was a good show put on by TNA, with Petey/AJ, Monster's Ball and the Gauntlet being good matches, and nothing being overly bad really. Of course they could have cut some of the fat (Mini's, Women's) and given more time to Petey/AJ, but as someone mentioned I'd imagine they're going to have rematch at the December show, and get to go all out.

 

I liked this show more than the last three the WWE has put on, and it rejuvenated me somewhat regarding the promotion (I haven't gotten Impact!, due to being in Canada.)

 

All in all, I thought it was a hit for TNA. I think they'd have done MUCH better if the show was $20, however. I'm excited to see what road the company takes now, as the next two or three months are going to be crucial to TNA's survival.

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Guest Reservoir_Kitty

I thought this PPV was pretty good, actually. It was the first wrestling PPV I've watched in a LONG time that actually kept my attention and kept me interested. I'm sorta surprised that everyone's so negative about the show - but I know I shouldn't be. This seems to be the hardest crowd to please around here.

 

I liked it. The matches were good, the only one that I was blah about was the lucha minis, but that made me laugh, so it wasn't all bad.

 

I bet I'll be happier with this over Survivor Series next weekend. TNA is lacking a few things that the WWE has, but at least they're actually *trying* to put together a decent show.

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Hogan was backstage? No shit....

 

It's sad to see how much like WCW TNA has become, but I guess that was always the idea. At least when they go down in flames it will be spectacular.

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I think this was a good show, but not a great show, which is probably what they needed. Here are my thoughts:

 

First of, the production was top-notch (WWE-like even) and I've never seen a crowd hot for an entire TNA event like this one was. TNA couldn't have asked for a more enthusiatic audience.

 

The opener was absolutely fanastic. They gave them plenty of time (over 20 minutes), so they didn't have to do super fast eliminations. The guys all hit their big spots and worked the crowd into a frenzy. Great opener and good way to get the show rolling.

 

The 8 man was just there. As much as I like Killings and Kash and as much as the mark in me loves the Johnny B. Badd gimmick, these minutes could have been given to Styles/Williams.

 

My fears came true in the Mins match because I enjoyed the Minis match at the anniversary show live, but I was afraid it wouldn't really translate to TV very well. The crowd seemed to like it, but I was just kinda blah.

 

I really liked the tag title match. It was about what I expected, which was a good old school tag bout and the crowd ate it up. I love Team Canada, so I was sad to see them drop the belts, but TNA has shown us that they aren't afraid to change the tag belts on Impact, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them regain the straps soon.

 

The Pit segment seemed disjointed to me. I appreciated what they were trying to do, but it fell flat in my eyes. I can dig a possible Kash/Dutt feud though.

 

Jacqueline was a nice little "surprise," though it seemed like the crowd didn't recognize her. I like that they put the homegrown talent over the "name" though, even though the match was just kinda there.

 

I really enjoyed the Monster's Ball. These guys did a fantastic brawl, and it went over so well because there wasn't a lot of brawling on this show (except the Main Event). Brown looked like a star here and the clean win should elevate him, but to where? I was disappointed we didn't see Mitchell here, but I guess that's coming soon, because they didn't drop the storyline.

 

The X title match was fantastic while it lasted. I liked that they put Williams over here, because he needs that belt much more than AJ at this point. While the match was short, it didn't feel rushed, like say Mysterio/Hardy from WM19. The guys laid out a nice match that built to a conclusion. It wasn't the classic many were looking for, but it was far from disappointing.

 

The Last Man Standing Match was, however, very disappointing. This was the worst AMW/XXX match ever, and that's shocking because save the cage match, this was the biggest. I know Skipper had the concussion, but this match just never got going. I'm a huge fan of both of these teams, but I very unsatisfied with this match.

 

Dusty's promo was short and had no interruptions, which was good. I also liked that he announced a match for Turning Point early, because they only have 4 weeks to build to it.

 

The Main Event delivered, IMO. It was way better than it had any right to be considering the workers. I was a lil' disappointed by the finish, but that was mostly because I wanted DDP to make the save. Otherwise, it was the most obvious finish in wrestling history.

 

It will be interesting to see where they go from here. It looks like Monty should be in line for a title shot, but the ME might be crowded with former WCW'ers for now. The BDSSP specials won't tell us much, since they were taped before this, but the commentary should give us some indication of where they're going. I'd like to see Jarrett vs Monty and Hall/Nash vs Hardy/Savage as the top matches at Turning Point, (instead of a six man with Styles) and then have Styles face Williams and Garza in a 3 way for the X-belt, the cage match and Kash/Dutt (or Kash and Dallas vs Dutt and the returning Sabu).

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Guest Salacious Crumb
Hogan was backstage? No shit....

 

It's sad to see how much like WCW TNA has become, but I guess that was always the idea. At least when they go down in flames it will be spectacular.

They're kind of stuck. They need the starpower of the old WCW stars to try and increase their fanbase. I think their goal has always been to bring back the 3 million WCW fans that disappeared in 2001.

 

For the record I'd much rather see Hogan than Savage these days. Savage basically humiliates himself everytime he steps into a ring anymore. Anyone who saw the 2000 Dome Show knows what I'm talking about. His match with Jarrett will be a trainwreck. At least Hogan/Jarrett would be a non-offensive match with the crowd really into it.

 

They should've brought DDP in instead of Savage. DDP/Jarrett usually have good matches together.

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Guest Donners

The reviews seem quite strong from those who actually saw it (as opposed to some here, it seems) but it just gives the impression of lacking that something special. Here's hoping they come in with a really big one in December.

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From what I read, sounds like their going to the Styles vs Jarrett route with Styles having to go through Hall and Nash first....umm what happen to the National Guard?

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Is it just me, or has Christopher Daniels not had a very good match since his shoulder injury this year? I know about Skipper's concussion, but Daniels could have made last night's match a little better if he wasn't injured.

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Guest Dynamite Kido

Well, I was gonna get on last night after the PPV...........but I had to wake up too early to be on here all night. So here are my thought's on a VERY mediocre PPV. Also, I am trying to be as positive as I can.........but don't expect many nice words.

 

-DO NOT sell me other PPV's when you can not do it correctly on your NETWORK TV SHOW!!!!! The video packages are great, so try selling your product IN THE RING.

 

-I was dissappointed in almost every match last night. I have followed TNA from the beginning and I have liked and disliked many things about the promotion. But I didn't see much last night to make people want to order again. I admit(even though I wasn't on the net at all yesterday to read about it) the Savage thing surprised me.................but it didn't make me want to order again. I was SHOCKED that AJ/Petey got less than 10 minutes and with all the wasting of time(the Trinity thing....and the Piper's Pit come to mind)that they did last night.........is just criminal. AMW/XXX was a sloppy mess and just was not the match that they were expecting. I understand that Skipper was injured and I'll cut this match a break. As much as I DON'T like Monte Brown, they did a good job last night at making him look like a star. I don't know what they hell is going on with Raven(outside of him being horribly unmotivated......I'm sure), and Abyss did a solid job as well. That match was surprising to me(even though it wasn't the greatest match ever.......what they were going for was effective) and was probably the biggest bright spot of the night IMO. The Gauntlet was good and basically did it's job in getting the crowd on it's feet. Also, I wanted to throw this out there..........WTF is up with Red? He looked horrible last night and he looks to still be injured. If that is the case.......LEAVE HIM OFF TV. The Piper's Pit segment was absolutely terrible and didn't even showcase what good Piper can still do(I'm a long time Piper fan and I'll admit that's not much........anymore). Plus, why do they act like Kash isn't a good enough heel? Did he really NEED that segment to get him heat? Don't even get me started on the abomination that was the main event either. Seriously, that match is the utter defination of "clusterfuck". I didn't expect this to be good, but WTF? Jarrett and Hardy looked either to be halfassing this match or were blown up half way through. Either way it was a fucking abomination of a main event PPV match that people PAY for. What a horrible thing to do to your paying fans. Not only that, but we all got the predictable bullshit ending with Hall and Nash turning. Greeeeeeeaaat, nWo 2004 only this time we get Triple J with them. If it didn't work in the WWE with the original three....and all the nWo copyrights.............then it won't work here as a copy. The REAL THING wouldn't work here either..........

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This seems to be the hardest crowd to please around here.

It's mostly because we've been watching TNA for a while, and have shown no ability to actually put on a competent show. The PPV sounds ok, though, and I'll download it to give it my own opinion.

 

EDIT: Anyone know where I can DL this? My usual site is down.

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I was at the show last night and it was incredible. The only match that sucked was the AMW/XXX because the rules were not eplained that you had to get the pin and then they had until the 10 count. People were upset about that and how slow the match was. People were in line around 1 o clock and by the time they opened the door, the line outside Universal wrapped around Hard Rock Cafe. The crowd was hot most of the night. Great surprises. During Pipers Pit, when he said he was bringing someone from the X Division, the crowd went "awww" and then Superfly came out and we went crazy. It definitely had a WCW like feel to it.

 

Some notes - to the people who say ardy no-sold the two guitar shots, I believe he was supposed to and then take the head shot from Jarrett.

 

AJ/Petey did really well despite how short it was, they didn't need more than 10 minutes to fight.

 

After the show, for those who bought the Interaction package, there was a post show party. It wasn't much of a party, only a few people came out, mainly the x division gauntlet guys, the NYC, Kash and Dallas, Spanky, Watts and a few others. None of the Main Eventers

 

Really great show, crowd was really happy at the end.

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Guest LooneyTune

After reading through more thoughts, it sounded decent, but decent is not what you want for your first big PPV. On paper, there's just too many problems that TNA is still doing. With a 3-Hour PPV they STILL fuck over everything so Jarrett can have 20 minute matches and have dull segments (cough:Piper:cough).

 

It sounds better than most of the SD PPV's this year, and I didn't waste my money on those either.

 

Here's the real question: Was this PPV worth $30 despite having a cliff-hanger finish, a horrible AMW/XXX match (Skipper was injured, so free pass), a filler under-card, and only one match where the faces actually went over (3LK winning the tag titles) in the more important matches.

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Guest Dynamite Kido
After reading through more thoughts, it sounded decent, but decent is not what you want for your first big PPV. On paper, there's just too many problems that TNA is still doing. With a 3-Hour PPV they STILL fuck over everything so Jarrett can have 20 minute matches and have dull segments (cough:Piper:cough).

 

It sounds better than most of the SD PPV's this year, and I didn't waste my money on those either.

 

Here's the real question: Was this PPV worth $30 despite having a cliff-hanger finish, a horrible AMW/XXX match (Skipper was injured, so free pass), a filler under-card, and only one match where the faces actually went over (3LK winning the tag titles) in the more important matches.

Being perfectly honest...........I can say that No Mercy was a WAY better show than this was.

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