Old school shows of the week #7

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Okay, so these aren't really old school...but they're over 5 years ago, so they count. Anyways, as always, post your thoughts, comments, memories, etc...anything you want to relating to these shows:

 

No Mercy 1999

 

October 17, 1999 in Cleveland, OH

Gund Arena drawing 18,742 ($478,156)

Shown live on PPV (0.84)

 

1. The Godfather pinned Mideon (7:31).

 

2. The Fabulous Moolah pinned Ivory (3:01) to win the WWF Women's Title.

 

3. Hardcore & Crash Holly beat The New Age Outlaws (10:11) via DQ.

 

4. Chyna pinned Jeff Jarrett (8:37) in a "good housekeeping" match to win the WWF I-C Title.

 

5. The Rock pinned The British Bulldog.

 

6. Matt & Jeff Hardy beat Edge & Christian (16:30) in a "ladder" match.

 

7. Val Venis pinned Mankind (9:26).

 

8. X-Pac won a "four corners" match (10:08).

* Kane pinned Bradshaw (8:25).

* X-Pac pinned Kane.

* X-Pac pinned Farooq (10:08).

 

9. WWF World Champ Hunter Hearst Helmsley pinned Steve Austin (21:53) in an "anything goes" match.

 

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Halloween Havoc 1999

 

October 24, 1999 in Las Vegas, NV

MGM Grand Garden Arena drawing 8,464 ($314,000)

Shown live on PPV

 

1. WCW Cruiserweight Champ Disco Inferno pinned Lash Leroux (7:35).

 

2. Harlem Heat beat Billy Kidman (subbing for Rey Misterio, Jr.) & Konnan and Brian Knobbs & Hugh Morrus (5:02) in a "triangle" match to win the WCW Tag Title when Booker pinned Knobs.

 

3. Eddie Guerrero beat Perry Saturn (11:12) via DQ.

 

4. Brad Armstrong pinned Berlyn (4:23).

 

5. Rick Steiner pinned Chris Benoit (12:50) to win the WCW TV Title.

 

6. Lex Luger beat Bret Hart (7:46) via submission.

 

7. WCW World Champ Sting pined Hulk Hogan (0:03).

 

8. Bill Goldberg TKO Sid Vicious (7:11).

 

9. Diamond Dallas Page pinned Ric Flair (12:49) in a "strap" match.

 

10. Bill Goldberg pinned Sting (3:08) to win the WCW World Title. (Decision reversed the next night)

 

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November to Remember 1999

 

November 7, 1999 in Buffalo, NY

Bert Flickinger Center drawing 3,000

Shown live on PPV (0.21)

 

1. Spike Dudley pinned Simon Diamond (2:59).

 

2. Little Guido pinned Nova (4:20).

 

3. Jerry Lynn beat Yoshihiro Tajiri and Super Crazy (10:59) in a "three way dance."

* Tajiri pinned Crazy (6:44).

* Lynn pinned Tajiri (10:59).

 

4. Spanish Angel, Tony DeVito, Vito Lograsso, & PN News beat New Jack, Axl Rotten, & Balls Mahoney (8:21) in a "handicap" match when Angel pinned New Jack.

 

5. Sabu beat Chris Candido (17:42) via submission.

 

6. ECW Champ Mike Awesome pinned Masato Tanaka (12:26).

 

7. ECW TV Champ Rob Van Dam pinned Taz (14:34).

 

8. Rhino, Justin Credible, & Lance Storm beat Raven, Tommy Dreamer, & Sandman (9:19) when Credible pinned Sandman.

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No Mercy

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Well, didn't the "Good Housekeeping Match" lead to Jeff Jarrett being blacklisted from WWE? I think he held up the IC belt for a lot of cash, and said if he wasnt paid he would take it to WCW with him, or not show up for the match at all. It was something like that.

 

Halloween Havoc

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Didn't Sid pull an impressive blade job when he was TKO'ed by Goldberg at Havoc? At least I think I am remembering the correct match.

 

Also, did anyone else think Goldberg beating Sting for the title was a big shock? Did WCW always have the World Title tourney that Hart won, planned? Or did they just loose confidense in Sting? I know I cant find many reasons to justify a lot of WCW's decisions around this time.

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Russo and Ferrara had just come in, so that title tournament hadn't been planned for very long. The Goldberg/Sting match was just a way to get that tournament to happen.

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You got any info on Survivor Series '99?

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Wait...Sting pinned Hogan in 3 seconds? Please don't tell me another Finger Poke of Doom.

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Didn't Hogan lay down for Sting for some inane reason?

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Well it's how they did the whole angle to start the tournament...Sting came back out and wanted a match, Goldberg beat him, Sting beat up Charles Robinson, so they stripped him of the title (since the match wasn't a sanctioned title match) and started the tournament. Don't know much else.

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Why was Bret stuck wrestling w/ Luger? Ugh.

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8. Rhino, Justin Credible, & Lance Storm beat Raven, Tommy Dreamer, & Sandman (9:19) when Credible pinned Sandman.

Aw man, I remember that match. Raven backdropped Justin right in the ropes and almost crippled him.

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Jeff Jarrett leaving the WWF

 

Because Jarrett’s contract expired the day before No Mercy, he was legally under no obligation to wrestle at No Mercy, and could have simply not shown up. However, Jeff agreed to wrestle and drop the IC Title to Chyna, but only if he were paid all the monies he was owed from merchandising, etc, as well as any money he would be due from PPV payoffs, upfront. This amounted to around $250,000. Needless to say, Vince wasn’t that happy about having to do this, even though Jeff was perfectly entitled to do so. This resulted in a lot of bad blood, and saw Jeff, for all intents and purposes, fired live on air on the last Nitro.

 

Hogan laying down for Sting:

 

This was yet another wonderful pointless swerve from Superbooker Vince Russo, in conjunction with Hogan. The idea was that to push Hogan as being a rebel due to not being cooperative with the new hot writers in WCW, one of which just happened to be Russo. In the angle, Hogan, because he didn’t want to put Sting over, would just lie down for him, and thus not have to really put him over. Hogan would then be suspended, and later come back to feud with whomever. When the angle played out, as soon as Sting ‘pinned’ Hogan, they immediately went to a video package, to try and further the illusion that it was a shoot. In addition to that, also in order to try and make it seem legit, they never talked about it again, and when Sting came out on Nitro, explaining his match with Goldberg was non-title because he only offered to face someone to help WCW out of a jam because of having no main event, he did so without make-up, once again to try and make it seem legit. It never dawned on Russo that if nobody talks about an angle, it doesn’t register with anyone and it doesn’t get over. But, of course, Superbooker was too smart for such outdated concepts like making money

 

Coincidentally, ratings at the time were beginning to slide, and Hogan usually pulled some kind of vanishing act at times like this, so as to avoid being associated with bad ratings. Then, after a while, Hogan would come back, cause an artificial jump in ratings, and use this to fool executives who didn’t know any better, and even some that did, that this was proof that without him people stopped caring about WCW, and thus he deserved his big salary and the top spot.

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No Mercy main event ended with Rock hitting Austin with a sledgehammer to cost him the match against HHH. what were the long term plans for the top storyline before Austin got injured? would Rock turn fully heel, or would Austin snap and turn heel on him? or was it just that Austin wouldn't job clean to Hunter (a la SummerSlam from the same year) so they did a screwy finish?

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No Mercy main event ended with Rock hitting Austin with a sledgehammer to cost him the match against HHH. what were the long term plans for the top storyline before Austin got injured? would Rock turn fully heel, or would Austin snap and turn heel on him? or was it just that Austin wouldn't job clean to Hunter (a la SummerSlam from the same year) so they did a screwy finish?

The plan was for a heel Austin to face a face Rock at WM XVI. As part of that, the finish for Austin v Rock v Hunter at Survivor Series was Austin accidentally hitting Rock with the sledgehammer, and Hunter to pin Rock. As for Austin not wanting to put Hunter over at Summerslam, that isn't true. Austin had always agreed to put Hunter over at Summerslam. The only reason Mankind got put in the mix was because with Austin banged up, it was felt that an excellent match was unlikely, which they wanted Austin v Hunter to be, so Mankind was put in to, if you can believe it, carry the load.

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Plus, with Ventura as the guest ref, they didn't want him awarding the title to a heel.

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Rock v. Austin was suppose to happen for WM XVI? I thought it was Austin v. Show that was scheduled for the show. I might be crossing different news bits here, but I thought when Show first came to the WWF, it was already set to have them wrestle at WM XVI.

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Rock v. Austin was suppose to happen for WM XVI? I thought it was Austin v. Show that was scheduled for the show. I might be crossing different news bits here, but I thought when Show first came to the WWF, it was already set to have them wrestle at WM XVI.

Austin v Show was meant for WM XVI, but sometime around the middle of the year they lost confidence in Show for that spot, and the plan was changed to Austin v Rock. Actually, I'm not sure they didn't lost confidence in Show, not necessarily as a WM main eventer but in general, not long after he showed up, because he did a clean job five weeks into his run, which is a strange thing to do with your 'hot new monster'.

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Do you have the Survivor Series results of that year, the one where Austin got hit by the car, right? I remember ordering that PPV on a complete whim and watching it by myself at home.

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Results for Survivor Series 99 (Survivors in bold)

 

Godfather, D-Lo Brown, & the Headbangers d. The Dudley Boyz & the Acolytes

 

Kurt Angle d. Shawn Stasiak (Angle's on-screen debut)

 

Val Venis, Mark Henry, Gangrel, & Steve Blackman d. The British Bulldog & the Mean Street Posse

 

Tori, Debra, Fabulous Moolah & Mae Young def. Ivory, Jackie, Luna, & Terri Runnels (one fall)

 

Kane d. X-Pac by DQ

 

The Big Show def. Big Boss Man, Prince Albert, Mideon, & Viscera (Show's partners were Kaientai & The Blue Meanie, but he attacked them before the match because he didn't want partners)

 

WWF Tag Team title: New-Age Outlaws d. Mankind & Al Snow

 

WWF Intercontinental title: Chyna d. Chris Jericho

 

Hardcore Holly, Crash Holly, & Too Cool d. Edge, Christian, & the Hardy Boyz

 

WWF Title: Big Show def. Rock and HHH in a triple threat match.

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Thanks, Alfdogg. Much appreciated. I rmember the No Mercy show because of the Terri invitational. I really liked that match. I have a couple of questions, if anybody doesn't mind answering them:

 

1) Why were Bret/Luger and Flair/DDP feuding at the time?

 

2) What was the overall opinion on Halloween Havoc?

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1) Why were Bret/Luger and Flair/DDP feuding at the time?

 

2) What was the overall opinion on Halloween Havoc?

I don't recall Flair / DDP. I think it had something to do with Kim Page.

 

IIRC, Luger knocked Bret out with the baseball bat during a main event tag match on Nitro. One of Bret's first matches back, shortly after the bout with Benoit.

 

I don't think Havoc 99 sucked, at least not compared to all the other stinker PPVs from that year. I went to the Nitro the night after, in Phoenix, and that definately had its ups (Bret pinned Goldberg for the US belt, Benoit vs. Malenko).

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Thanks for the info, cawthon. I remeber that that N2R was good overall, and that No Mercy was a so-so kind of show. I guess this is what other people on this board implied earlier. They said that 1999 was a crappy year for WWF PPV's. Only 2 or 3 matches on each PPV being good, but the show being crappy overall.

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Dallas Page & Kimberly were fucking with David Flair. Including Kimberly giving David her hotel room with "Page out of town". She drugged a drink in the room for David as she undressed into some hot lingerie. When Flair knocked at the door and came into the room, it was Ric, not David. It was implied he spanked her around and such.

 

Thus, Page wanted to kill Flair. It came off pretty good on the PPV.

 

Led to Kim Vs. David at Mayhem 99. Kimberly wears THE single hottest top to wrestle in ever. Ever. Go watch the match. Convince me otherwise.

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Dallas Page & Kimberly were fucking with David Flair.  Including Kimberly giving David her hotel room with "Page out of town".  She drugged a drink in the room for David as she undressed into some hot lingerie.  When Flair knocked at the door and came into the room, it was Ric, not David.  It was implied he spanked her around and such.

 

Thus, Page wanted to kill Flair.  It came off pretty good on the PPV.

 

Led to Kim Vs. David at Mayhem 99.  Kimberly wears THE single hottest top to wrestle in ever.  Ever.  Go watch the match.  Convince me otherwise.

 

 

Really hot, but not as hot as the one Stephanie wore in the first handicap match with Test v Rock. And one thing Russo did right was try to push Kim, he just did it the wrong way. No one wanted to see her wrestle or whine and complain in promos. If WCW (standards and practices)wasn't so strict about T and A, Kim could have been a huge star, on par with Sable during the same time period. Not that she was a great talent or anything, but she would have gotten over huge if pushed as the hottest woman in the company and a big sex symbol.