Enigma Posted December 10, 2004 Report Posted December 10, 2004 I even remember them hyping up No Mercy 2002, and them saying "Edge & Rey Mysterio will fight Chris Benoit & Kurt Angle for the right to be called the very first WWE Tag Team Champions!" So, I'm guessing even WWE knows the lineage of the World Tag Team Titles on RAW has the whole lineage.
Promoter Posted December 10, 2004 Report Posted December 10, 2004 Well, I can't remember which mag had the lineage of the world tag title this year, but they did not mix the two. The world tag title had the wwf tag title history and not the wwe tag title history of smackdown's titles. I think they will acknowledge the No Mercy match as the start of the wwe tag title history. Yeah, calling the wwf title the wwe title sounds pretty dumb with the word entertainment in it. That is why they don't say world wrestling entertainment champion for the most part I bet. It sounds like some kind of variety show title.
Slickster Posted December 10, 2004 Report Posted December 10, 2004 It's really simple. RAW titles = 'World' prefix, barring the IC Title, which is just 'the IC title.' Smackdown titles = 'WWE' prefix. They refer to ex-World (WWF-era) tag champions as WWE Tag Champions because referring to former 'World Tag Champions' doesn't really explain WHERE they were Tag Champions (WWF? WCW? ECW? AWA?). I think they will be alternating between presenting new RAW and SD! title histories.
Jobber of the Week Posted December 11, 2004 Report Posted December 11, 2004 Raw Belts: World Heavyweight Championship(WCW title history) Nay. I have a big magazine that WWE published about two years ago that was a "preview" book for the 2003 year. They showed all the old titles and their lineage and the WCW lineage is actually merged into the current WWE title. The current Big Gold Belt has no lineage before Eric dragging it's corpse onto Raw one day and giving it to HHH. However, title lineages in a worked sport is one of the most ridiculous things to argue about ever, but thems the facts.
Slickster Posted December 11, 2004 Report Posted December 11, 2004 WWE has changed their story in rE: the World Title that we won't really know until this official history is posted.
AndrewTS Posted December 11, 2004 Report Posted December 11, 2004 Raw Belts: World Heavyweight Championship(WCW title history) Nay. I have a big magazine that WWE published about two years ago that was a "preview" book for the 2003 year. They showed all the old titles and their lineage and the WCW lineage is actually merged into the current WWE title. The current Big Gold Belt has no lineage before Eric dragging it's corpse onto Raw one day and giving it to HHH. However, title lineages in a worked sport is one of the most ridiculous things to argue about ever, but thems the facts. I got that book too when I went to the SD in Pittsburgh just before WMXIX. Very well done, IMO, despite the obvious lies in certain people's bios... As for lineages, I don't care so much about what title has what title's lineage, but the revisionist history we're no doubt to get with the titles is going to be a bit annoying, IMO.
Guest TheAnvil Posted December 12, 2004 Report Posted December 12, 2004 Val Venis d. Rikishi Ft. Lauderdale, FL 07-06-00 NEVER FORGET!
ChrisMWaters Posted December 15, 2004 Report Posted December 15, 2004 Bumping this to make note: The WWE Tag Team Title history (The Smackdown Tag Titles) is up and running. And it recognizes that Kurt and Benoit were the first WWE Tag Team Champs.
BHK Posted December 15, 2004 Author Report Posted December 15, 2004 minor annoyance: They just list wrestler's name twice or more, instead of putting what reign number it is in parentheses.
res37618 Posted December 15, 2004 Report Posted December 15, 2004 Bumping this to make note: The WWE Tag Team Title history (The Smackdown Tag Titles) is up and running. And it recognizes that Kurt and Benoit were the first WWE Tag Team Champs. Now, with that being done, how will they do the history of the World Tag Belts? I assume that it will be the complete lineage of the WWF tag titles, but there's also the WCW tag titles that were merged in there as well, and they deserve some attention as well . . . . Confusing, eh?
ChrisMWaters Posted December 15, 2004 Report Posted December 15, 2004 Bumping this to make note: The WWE Tag Team Title history (The Smackdown Tag Titles) is up and running. And it recognizes that Kurt and Benoit were the first WWE Tag Team Champs. Now, with that being done, how will they do the history of the World Tag Belts? I assume that it will be the complete lineage of the WWF tag titles, but there's also the WCW tag titles that were merged in there as well, and they deserve some attention as well . . . . Confusing, eh? Well, unless they use the WCW US Title history for the WWE US Title, I don't think we'll be seeing too many mentions of WCW Titles in this thing.
ChrisMWaters Posted December 15, 2004 Report Posted December 15, 2004 minor annoyance: They just list wrestler's name twice or more, instead of putting what reign number it is in parentheses. I guess that they feel that their fanbase IS smart enough to at least count.
BHK Posted December 15, 2004 Author Report Posted December 15, 2004 right. I can always just scroll down and count, just more convenient to have it there *shrug*
SuperJerk Posted December 15, 2004 Report Posted December 15, 2004 minor annoyance: They just list wrestler's name twice or more, instead of putting what reign number it is in parentheses. I guess that they feel that their fanbase IS smart enough to at least count. Maybe they should make us refs. BTW: Your back-to-back Mollys sig continues to bring me joy.
ChrisMWaters Posted December 15, 2004 Report Posted December 15, 2004 BTW: Your back-to-back Mollys sig continues to bring me joy. Heh. Good to know I can bring joy to some people
Taker666 Posted December 17, 2004 Report Posted December 17, 2004 Just an Update. The History of the WWE Championship is now up and running at WWE.com
ChrisMWaters Posted December 17, 2004 Report Posted December 17, 2004 ...huh, they changed what they recognized from last time. ...last time this page was up, they recognized Inoki's reign.
Dandy Posted December 17, 2004 Report Posted December 17, 2004 Check out their history of Andre the Giant beating "Hollywood Hogan," since they can't refer to him as "Hulk" without spending some money: It was also revealed that Earl Hebner, who was said to have been refereeing the match, wasn’t even in the ring. Instead, DiBiase had paid for another referee to have plastic surgery in order to look like Hebner so that he could guarantee Andre would win the WWE Championship.
BHK Posted December 17, 2004 Author Report Posted December 17, 2004 Seeing "hollywood Hogan" everywhere just looks WEIRD. What's the status of that expired deal with Marvel, anyway?
ChrisMWaters Posted December 17, 2004 Report Posted December 17, 2004 Check out their history of Andre the Giant beating "Hollywood Hogan," since they can't refer to him as "Hulk" without spending some money: It was also revealed that Earl Hebner, who was said to have been refereeing the match, wasn’t even in the ring. Instead, DiBiase had paid for another referee to have plastic surgery in order to look like Hebner so that he could guarantee Andre would win the WWE Championship. .... Totally no-selling Dave Hebner. ...riiiight.
Slickster Posted December 17, 2004 Report Posted December 17, 2004 Well, they can't very well undo that whole storyline by acknowledging reality.
Slickster Posted December 17, 2004 Report Posted December 17, 2004 Bumping this to make note: The WWE Tag Team Title history (The Smackdown Tag Titles) is up and running. And it recognizes that Kurt and Benoit were the first WWE Tag Team Champs. Now, with that being done, how will they do the history of the World Tag Belts? I assume that it will be the complete lineage of the WWF tag titles, but there's also the WCW tag titles that were merged in there as well, and they deserve some attention as well . . . . Confusing, eh? They'll just mention the unification during their writeup of the Dudleys' reign. Sucks that Inoki's reign gets no-sold again.
The Metal Maniac Posted December 17, 2004 Report Posted December 17, 2004 Well, they can't very well undo that whole storyline by acknowledging reality. What's wrong with just saying that he paid off Earl's twin brother? That's a lot more plausible then saying someone got plastic surgery just to help Andre win the title so he could give it to Dibiase. And I just noticed this at the bottom of the page: The names of all World Wrestling Entertainment televised and live programming, talent names, images, likenesses, slogans and wrestling moves and all World Wrestling Entertainment logos are trademarks which are the exclusive property of World Wrestling Entertainment, Inc. How the hell do you trademark every single move?
DrVenkman PhD Posted December 17, 2004 Report Posted December 17, 2004 I didn't even know about that "plastic surgery" angle. I always thought it was just an evil twin in the storyline. That's crazy.
DrVenkman PhD Posted December 17, 2004 Report Posted December 17, 2004 Also, that trademark notice has been appearing on most of the DVDs this year. One would assume that the move NAME is being trademarked.
DrVenkman PhD Posted December 17, 2004 Report Posted December 17, 2004 Anyone know why the name "Steve Austin" doesn't appear in this thing? It just says Stone Cold (and only Stone Cold) for every instance he's mentioned.
Dandy Posted December 17, 2004 Report Posted December 17, 2004 Austin was in a battle with them over the name Stone Cold, which WWE trademarked. Maybe he owned the name "Steve Austin" before he came to the WWF and won't allow them to use it now. Just a guess.
Black Lushus Posted December 17, 2004 Report Posted December 17, 2004 BTW: Your back-to-back Mollys sig continues to bring me joy. Heh. Good to know I can bring joy to some people she looks nothing like the HOTTIES usethesledgehammeruh has at his "mixers" though! Anyway, best thing I read in this whole thread is ending the brand split...
SuperJerk Posted December 18, 2004 Report Posted December 18, 2004 WWE has changed their story in rE: the World Title that we won't really know until this official history is posted. http://www.wwe.com/inside/title_history/world_hvywght/ Triple H is now officially the first World Heavyweight Champion. The final "fuck you" to WCW.
Guest Loss Posted December 18, 2004 Report Posted December 18, 2004 What's wrong with just saying that he paid off Earl's twin brother? That's a lot more plausible then saying someone got plastic surgery just to help Andre win the title so he could give it to Dibiase. You've obviously never seen the SWANK~! "How much was the plastic surgery?" rant from Hogan after losing the belt.
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