UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2005 Michaels re-MADE himself in that bout, solidifying his spot and going forward into a great year end bout with Triple H on Raw, as well as a decent effort at Rumble 04, a good match with Benoit in February on Raw, and the WM/Backlash main events. Everyone was on in that bout. There were NO slow spots. All action. All bumping. Desperation on Austin's behalf. Drama. It was **** 1/4 to **** 1/2 to me, depending on which time I viewed it, and the WWE Raw MOTY for 2003, actually just slightly behind Smackdown!'s Benoit/Angle at Royal Rumble 2003. I reccomend that for the initial post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pochorenella 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2005 Michaels re-MADE himself in that bout, solidifying his spot and going forward into a great year end bout with Triple H on Raw, as well as a decent effort at Rumble 04, a good match with Benoit in February on Raw, and the WM/Backlash main events. Everyone was on in that bout. There were NO slow spots. All action. All bumping. Desperation on Austin's behalf. Drama. It was **** 1/4 to **** 1/2 to me, depending on which time I viewed it, and the WWE Raw MOTY for 2003 Hope you noticed I was being sarcastic on my previous post. I totally agree with you on this, probably MOTY for RAW in 2003, although I also love HBK vs Y2J from WMXIX. Benoit vs Angle is my MOTY overall for 2003. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tawren 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2005 Christ guys, that match was not any good at all. They do absolutely nothing for 40 minutes with no build, no teases, no hints for the final section or anything, and it is just formula your move my move FINISHER crap. RVD, Booker T, Mark Henry, The Dudleys, Steiner, they all do nothing and are treated like nothing. Jericho and Christian aren't treated much better. None of them do anything interesting or special. For a match of EPIC PROPORTIONS~, nobody shows any intensity or desperation (except HBK in the very final minutes). Then it is down to 3 on 1 and while it is fine for what it is, there is nothing special at all about the final segment. HBK does his usual stuff which is sloppy as hell and then a run in for the finish. There was no strategy or anything displayed by anyone until the heels did the weak and short 3 on 1 segment at the end until HBK jesused up. Pedestrian stuff that they could have improved drastically by doing a better opening stretch or even thinking about structuring the match better by giving the nothing guys something to do other than "I'm going to hit my move, but you'll punch me so I'm on the defence now". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted January 17, 2005 Since Sledgehammer basically said everything I would, I don't feel like repeating the same stuff, and I'll just add this in... "Bitch, bitch, bitch..." is all I'm seeing about how the match wasn't good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tawren 0 Report post Posted January 17, 2005 Since Sledgehammer basically said everything I would, I don't feel like repeating the same stuff, and I'll just add this in... "Bitch, bitch, bitch..." is all I'm seeing about how the match wasn't good. Well I guess I can't argue with those reasons. ****1/2! MOTY! ~! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted January 17, 2005 Since Sledgehammer basically said everything I would, I don't feel like repeating the same stuff, and I'll just add this in... "Bitch, bitch, bitch..." is all I'm seeing about how the match wasn't good. You're retarded. While I disagree with Tawren's assessment of the match at least he actually you know broke down the match and said what he didn't like. What did you contribute? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dazed Report post Posted January 17, 2005 Since Sledgehammer basically said everything I would, I don't feel like repeating the same stuff, and I'll just add this in... "Bitch, bitch, bitch..." is all I'm seeing about how the match wasn't good. Shut the fuck up. You're welcome back one day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightfall 0 Report post Posted January 17, 2005 Austin/Angle from SummerSlam......2001 I think. This is a debated match, some think it's not very good, mostly because of the crap ending, but IMO the rest of the match makes up for it. If you look back at shows before the match, then you get a better feel for it as well. As a matter of fact I'm going to watch it now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted January 19, 2005 That match is remarkable. I love the ending. It furthers it and makes Austin seem like a complete coward. Plus, anyone who says "Austin as a heel failed" may have a point, but what about THIS match? About the ending: It's Kurt Angle. Had it been Benoit or Rock getting screwed out of the title, then long-term there'd be something to complain about. But it's Angle, the two had a fantastic match, and for once, I loved the cop-out ending. It added to the story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted February 1, 2005 I didn't see it, but did anyone mention Angle/Benoit vs. Mysterio/Edge from No Mercy 2002? Fantastic match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pochorenella 0 Report post Posted February 1, 2005 I did. Terrific match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Art Sandusky 0 Report post Posted February 1, 2005 No love for Scotty/Malenko at Backlash 2000? True, Scotty the Dunderhead jumped on the leg that Malenko had been working all match when he did the worm, but the finish redeemed that slip-up in my mind. Even watching it live, before knowing much about supposed criteria for a good match, I said to myself "wow, that was really pretty good." Also throw in that it was pretty much a for-the-hell-of-it program between the two and the entire card was overshadowed by the heavy Austin promotion and it's what I'd call a forgotten gem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted February 1, 2005 I love that match. Malenko takes Scotty's babyface comeback and dancing and is basically like "Fuck you, watch this" and then drops Scotty on his head off the top rope. The best WWE Light Heavyweight Title match ever of the titles reintroduced period (97-01). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Professor X Report post Posted March 2, 2005 Gretting from under the black resistol! 1981 Pat Patterson vs. Sgt. Slaughter (04/21/81) -Brutal Bloody and intense brawl folks! It sure sure never get any better than this!!!!! 1982 Tiger Mask (Sayama) vs. Dynamite Kid (08/05/82)-Over the top athleticism, oriental mystic and real wrestling action. This was a match for the ages and can't be duplicated! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Report post Posted March 6, 2005 Here are a couple of matches that I really liked that get ignored because of their undercards. 1. Undertaker vs. Brock Lesnar HIAC- No Mercy 2002 At the time, this was an awesome match as Taker and Brock had a really good storyline going, and this just cemented Brock as an unstoppable heel. The way that Taker was willing to screw up his broken hand because he wanted to beat Brock so bad, and Brock still just destroyed him was really good. Of course, they completely ruined it on Smackdown by having Taker come out completely fine, and then giving Big Show credit for taking him out, but for a while it looked like they really had some. 2. Brock Lesnar vs. Big Show vs. Kurt Angle- Vengeance 2003 Speaking of nonstop action, this match had plenty of it. It seemed like every five minutes they pulled out a spot that I'd never seen before in my life. Also, the psychology was pretty good for a triple threat, as the guy would only stay down for a while if there had just been a huge spot hit first. Also, I really liked the finish. It would have been easy for them just to cop out and let Angle pin Show or do something similar to protect Brock, but instead they used the idea that Brock's back had been getting beat to shit the whole match and a simple Angle Slam was enough to pin him. Finally, a guilty pleasure of mine from around the same time: Kurt Angle vs. Big Show and TWGTT- 3 on 1 handicap match: Hardcore rules Yes, by their very nature, handicap matches break the bounds of logic, and completely bury the team involved, even if they win the match. However, for one guy beating up three guys, they made it look as realistic as possible,. They let Angle be smart enough to get the weapons and use those as equalizers so he could put oe guy down while he'd work on somebody else. Also, moving around the arena made it make more sense that he could get away from the lumbering Big Show. Really though, my inner Angle mark was just having an orgasm the whole match watching him destroy three guys, and then get the win on top of everything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shadow Report post Posted March 9, 2005 Vengence 2003 isn't ignored. It was widely and rightfully claimed by many in 2003 to be the Best PPV that year. The undercard was really strong with a fantastic tag team title match, a really good Cena/Taker brawl. A short but surprisingly entertaining Knoble/Gunn match, a somewhat amusing apa skit and the trainwreck that was mcmahon/gowan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2005 No, I wasn't saying they got ignored because their undercards were bad; I was saying that (at least in the IWC), they got overshadowed by them. A lot of people considered the Tag Title match from No Mercy to be the WWE MOTY, and whenever you hear talk about Vengeance, it's usually the Kidman/Mysterio vs. TWGTT or Benoit/Guerrero in the finals of the tournament for the US Title. However, the HIAC match from No Mercy was an emotional conclusion to one of the best feuds the WWE's had in the last two years that told a great story, and it really doesn't seem to get it's due. And as far as Triple Threat matches go, I'd say the Vengeance Triple Threat was actually better than the main event from WM XX. They got away from the typical formula, and actually worked at a high pace the entire match, instead of just laying back and then saving some nearfalls toward the finish. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Professor X Report post Posted March 23, 2005 1. Undertaker vs. Brock Lesnar HIAC- No Mercy 2002 This was gory, a great brawl and bloodbath! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Professor X Report post Posted March 29, 2005 Hayabusa vs Liger FMW Japan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted April 11, 2005 Here is every must see WM Match, IMO: WWF Champion Hulk Hogan & Mr. T Vs. Roddy Piper & Paul Orndorff Boxing Match: Roddy Piper Vs. Mr. T WWF Tag Team Champions The Dream Team Vs. The British Bulldogs Steel Cage Match: WWF Champion Hulk hogan Vs. King Kong Bundy Hair Vs. Hair Match: Adrian Adonis Vs. Roddy Piper WWF Intercontinental Champion Randy Savage Vs. Ricky Steamboat WWF Champion Hulk Hogan Vs. Andre the Giant WWF Tag Team Champions Strike Force Vs. Demolition WWF Championship Tournament Final: Randy Savage Vs. Ted DiBiase The Rockers Vs. The Big Bossman & Akeem Mr. Perfect Vs. The Blue Blazer WWF Intercontinental Champion The Ultimate Warrior Vs. Rick Rude WWF Champion Randy Savage Vs. Hulk Hogan Title Vs. Title: WWF Champion Hulk Hogan Vs. WWF Intercontinental Champion The Ultimate Warrior The Rockers Vs. Haku & The Barbarian Retirement Match: The Ultimate Warrior Vs. Randy Savage WWF Champion Sgt. Slaughter Vs. Hulk Hogan WWF Intercontinental Champion Roddy Piper Vs. Bret Hart WWF Champion Ric Flair Vs. Randy Savage Hulk Hogan Vs. Sid Justice WWF Champion Bret Hart Vs. Yokozuna WWF Champion Yokozuna Vs. Hulk Hogan Bret Hart Vs. Owen Hart Ladder Match: WWF Intercontinental Champion Razor Ramon Vs. Shawn Michaels WWF Champion Yokozuna Vs. Bret Hart WWF Champion Diesel Vs. Shawn Michaels Iron Man Match: WWF Champion Bret Hart Vs. Shawn Michaels Submission Match: Bret Hart Vs. Steve Austin WWF Champion Sycho Sid Vs. The Undertaker WWF European Champion Triple H Vs. Owen Hart The Undertaker Vs. Kane WWF Champion Shawn Michaels Vs. Steve Austin WWF European Champion Shane McMahon Vs. X-Pac WWF Champion The Rock Vs. Steve Austin Ladder Match: WWF Tag Team Champions The Dudley Boyz Vs. Edge & Christian Vs. The Hardy Boyz Two Falls: WWF European & WWF Intercontinental Champion Kurt Angle Vs. Chris Jericho Vs. Chris Benoit Fatal Four Way Elimination Match: WWF Champion Triple H Vs. The Rock Vs. Mick Foley Vs. The Big Show Kurt Angle Vs. Chris Benoit Street Fight: Mr. McMahon Vs. Shane McMahon Gimmick Battle Royal TLC: WWF Tag Team Champions The Dudley Boyz Vs. Edge & Christian Vs. The Hardy Boyz WWF Champion The Rock Vs. Steve Austin The Undertaker Vs. Ric Flair Hollywood Hogan Vs. The Rock WWF Undisputed Champion Chris Jericho Vs. Triple H Shawn Michaels Vs. Chris Jericho Hollywood Hogan Vs. Mr. McMahon WWE Champion Kurt Angle Vs. Brock Lesnar Christian Vs. Chris Jericho WWE Intercontinental Champion Randy Orton, Ric Flair, & Batista Vs. The Rock & Mick Foley World Champion Triple H Vs. Chris Benoit Vs. Shawn Michaels WWE Champion John Bradshaw Layfield Vs. John Cena Kurt Angle Vs. Shawn Michaels World Champion Triple H Vs. Batista Money in the Bank Ladder Match: Kane Vs. Edge Vs. Christian Vs. Chris Jericho Vs. WWE Intercontinental Champion Shelton Benjamin Vs. Chris Benoit Some things are included because they are historical (Cena's title win etc.). Some matches are omitted (Eddy/Angle WM 20) because they were topped on other PPVs. And when your already overrated WM title match gets typed, there's problems. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted April 12, 2005 Here is every must see SummerSlam Match, due to being a great match or historical significance: WWF Intercontinental Champion The Honky Tonk Man Vs. The Ultimate Warrior WWF Champion Randy Savage & Hulk Hogan Vs. Andre the Giant & Ted DiBiase WWF Tag Team Champions The Brainbusters Vs. The Hart Foundation WWF Intercontinental Champion Rick Rude Vs. The Ultimate Warrior WWF Champion Hulk Hogan & Brutus Beefcake Vs. Randy Savage & Zeus WWF Intercontinental Champion Mr. Perfect Vs. The Texas Tornado WWF Tag Team Champions Demolition Vs. The Hart Foundation WWF Intercontinental Champion Mr. Perfect Vs. Bret Hart Million Dollar Championship Match: Ted DiBiase Vs. Virgil WWF Tag Team Champions The Nasty Boys Vs. The Legion of Doom WWF Champion Randy Savage Vs. The Ultimate Warrior WWF Intercontinental Champion Bret Hart Vs. The British Bulldog WWF Tag Team Champions The Steiner Brothers Vs. The Heavenly Bodies The Smokin' Gunns & Tatanka Vs. The Headshrinkers & Bam Bam Bigelow WWF Women's Champion Alundra Blayze Vs. Bull Nakano Steel Cage Match: WWF Champion Bret Hart Vs. Owen Hart Ladder Match: WWF Intercontinental Champion Shawn Michaels Vs. Razor Ramon WWF Champion Shawn Michaels Vs. Vader WWF Intercontinental Champion Owen Hart Vs. Steve Austin WWF Champion The Undertaker Vs. Bret Hart WWF European Champion D-Lo Brown Vs. Val Venis Ladder Match: WWF Intercontinental Champion The Rock Vs. Triple H WWF Champion Steve Austin Vs. The Undertaker Love Her or Leave Her Match: Shane McMahon Vs. Test WWF Champion Steve Austin Vs. Triple H Vs. Mankind 2 Out of 3 Falls: Chris Jericho Vs. Chris Benoit TLC 2: WWF Tag Team Champions Edge & Christian Vs. The Dudley Boyz Vs. The Hardy Boyz WWF Intercontinental Champion Lance Storm Vs. Edge WWF Hardcore Champion Jeff Hardy Vs. Rob Van Dam WWF Champion Steve Austin Vs. Kurt Angle WCW Champion Booker T Vs. The Rock Kurt Angle Vs. Rey Mysterio, Jr. Unsanctioned Match: Shawn Michaels Vs. Triple H WWE Undisputed Champion The Rock Vs. Brock Lesnar Elimination Chamber: World Champion Triple H Vs. Shawn Michaels Vs. Randy Orton Vs. Chris Jericho Vs. Kevin Nash Vs. Goldberg World Champion Chris Benoit Vs. Randy Orton Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted May 28, 2005 I haven't watched since WM 19, Brock Lesnar vs. Kurt Angle. What are some matches anyone can recommend to me since then? And by the way, I really, REALLY hate Shawn Michaels especially with the shit he pulled at WM 19 where Jericho should have gone over, by all means. *still a Y2J mark after all this time* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iliketurtles 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2005 Lesnar/Angle at Mania 18 isn't loved by many, mainly because not only the way the two wrestlers hyped it, but everyone seem to hype it...it was going to be the greatest match of all time. But with Angle's neck injury going into it, alot of it got changed. And the finish really took a lot away from it as well. And considering Brock's long gone, alot of the match's aura is gone with it. I remember liking it, and liking their Summerslam match as well. It definately wasn't as good as it could of been, and for a Wrestlemania main event it's not as big as something like Austin/Rock, but it's solid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jm29195 Report post Posted May 28, 2005 I haven't watched since WM 19, Brock Lesnar vs. Kurt Angle. What are some matches anyone can recommend to me since then? If you're talking PPV, then I'd say these are the bet of the bunch since WM 19 (including every PPV at least once):- Backlash 03- WGTT/Los Guerreros Judgment Day 03- WGTT v Eddie/Taijiri (ladder match) Lesnar/Show (Stretcher) Bad Blood 03- Goldberg/Jericho Flair/Michaels Vengeance 03- Watch it all- it's all entertaining Summerslam 03- Elimination Chamber Angle/Lesnar US Fatal Fourway Unforgiven 03- I wouldn't really recomend anything from here! No Mercy 03- Mysterio/Taijiri Cena/Angle Benoit/Train Show/Eddie Survivor Series 03- Both Raw and SD Elimination matches are top notch stuff! Armageddon 03- Orton/RVD (Foley is ref) Battle of the sexes is a curiosity Royal Rumble 04- Royal Rumble Match HHH/HBK (Last Man Standing) No Way Out 04- Eddie/Lesnar Mysterio/Chavo Wrestlemania XX- Watch it all apart from the tag 4ways and womens matches Backlash 04- Orton/Foley Benoit/HBK/HHH Judgment Day 04- Eddie/JBL Bad Blood 04- Shelton/Orton Kane/Benoit Vengeance 04- Benoit/HHH Orton/Edge GAB 04- Eddie/JBL Mysterio/Chavo (Kenzo/Gunn and Holly/Mordecai are funny) Summerslam 04- Benoit/Orton Eddie/Angle Unforgiven 04- Benoit/Regal v Batista/Flair Jericho/Christian (ladder) Taboo Tuesday- Orton/Flair (cage) Shelton/Jericho HHH/HBK No Mercy 04- London/Kidman Survivor Series 04- Raw elimination match Shelton/Christian JBL/Booker T Armageddon 04- Another shitty ppv, but the Fatal 4way in the main event is ok New Years Revolution- Elimination Chamber Royal Rumble 05- Royal Rumble Match Angle/Booker/JBL No Way Out 05- Angle/Cena Wrestlmania XXI- All good stuff bar the sumo, womens and JBL/Cena matches Backlash 05- Benjamin/Jericho Edge/Benoit Judgment Day 05- All good, even Heidenreich entertained me! I know you hate HBK but in all the matches he's in on here, he looses, including getting squashed by Goldberg at Summerslam 03 and tapping out at WM this year... As for TV stuff, from what I can recall:- Jericho/Christian in a cage from Spring 03 Jericho/HBK from Raw Summer 03 (HBK jobs) Anything with Kidman/Mysterio as a team around Vengence 03 against WGTT Anything with Eddie from Vengaence 03 onwards including the streetfight against Cena and the match against Chavo after No Way Out 04 Angle/Taker and Angle/Brock (iron man) from September 03 Lesnar/Benoit and Lesnar/Mysterio from December 03 The Benoit and friends/Evolution matches from after WMXX through to August 04 JBL/Eddie in a cage from July 04 The Angle/Eddie series from August/September last year Mysterio/Angle from October 04 in the UK, and from January 05 in Japan Benoit/Batista from Janaury 05 The 5 London/Akio matches from velocity are worth hunting down There's definetly more but I can't think at the moment! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spaceman Spiff 0 Report post Posted May 31, 2005 The 5 London/Akio matches from velocity are worth hunting down Forget tracking down the last one. It wasn't up to the level of their other ones. Add: the 2 London/Knoble Velocity matches (3/6/04 and 6/19/04), and the Knoble/Rey Velocity match (5/1/04). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BorneAgain 0 Report post Posted May 31, 2005 (edited) Eddy/Booker vs Rey/RVD from the December 30, 2004 Smackdown is hell of a tag match with a great ending with Mysterio and Guerrero. Had RVD not been injured in January, I bet the series would have continued to Wrestlemania 21. Edited May 31, 2005 by BorneAgain Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EL DANDY~! 0 Report post Posted June 2, 2005 Just a quick note about this thread: In my opinion, when somebody says "Must-see" when it comes to matches, I'm thinking of matches that are not just some of the best WWWF/WWF/WWE matches ever, but some of the best matches EVER, period. A lot of the matches selected are based on fan appreciation, which is OK, I guess, but it's like people are just throwing a bunch of matches out there from the last few years and saying that they're better than something like Bret/Perfect from KOTR 93, which is the best WRESTLING match in the history of the WWWF/WWF/WWE. All I'm saying is that people should really sit down and think about why each match is great, come up with the reasons as to why it's so great, and then post it. Just listing a bunch of so-so or good matches with one or two legit very good/great matches with little or no claim to back them up just ends up being Listmania at its very worst. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slabinskia 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2005 most of these wwf/wwe matches are well known but I will list them anyway. austin/hart-survivor series 96 austin/hart wm13 hart/123 kid raw 94,I don't know the exact date but if you can find this match its worth it.great carry job by bret. benoit/austin smackdown may 01,If you can get a copy of this match,pick it up.awesome tv match where benoit hits 10 german suplexes in a row. austin/rock wm17 hart/flair ironman match 1/9/93 bret/owen-steiners 1/94 hbk/foley mind games Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JoeJoe Report post Posted June 3, 2005 SNME #31, which was also the last SNME that ever aired. Shawn Michaels faces IC Champ Davey Boy Smith. I won't spoil the ending and result for those who still haven't seen it, but I'll just say this much. Its one of the most entertaining and well worked "short matches" I have ever seen. Its only 11 minutes long, yet it looked like 30. They told a story most guys today will take 40 minutes to tell. Seriously a classic. ****1/4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JumpinJackFlash Report post Posted June 23, 2005 Which Iron Man was Better? (sorry if this takes from the intent of the thread) Benoit/HHH Or Brock/Angle? I wasn't able to see Brock/Angle. It was because of one of those damn hurricanes! I regret living on the coast. Bad Blood 04- Shelton/Orton Kane/Benoit What? No Love for HHH/HBK? I found it to be the most entertaining HIAC that stayed completely in the cage. Sure......it....went.....a.....little.....long. Since everything well-known has been mentioned, I'd like to comment on a less popular match. There was a Taker/Angle title match in July 03 Smackdown. I found it to be the best Taker match since 98! Taker actually impressed me(or maybe it was Angle's carrying, IDK). It was pretty damn good in my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
