CBright7831 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2004 RVD is one of the very few people on the WWE Roster who don't need the wwe to be successful. So his whole stance here is very admirable but it's not the first time he's done something of this kind. Remember HHH and Stephanie's wedding? the whole roster was invited... RVD was the only noticable name besides Jericho (@ his first son's birth) who didn't attend. Instead RVD went home to take advantage of the mini-break. Goldust didn't attend either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted December 20, 2004 You have to remember Vince is Pro-Miliartary and Mr. Americana republican; so he's doing this in addition to good press because he honestly cares. He makes it VOLUNTARY so if anything happens; he's not responsible. So Vince likely thinks RVD is going against Vince's beliefs. 85% of the people there went because they wanted to. the other 15% went for job security. RVD was the only one who had no fear. RVD knows Vince can't hurt RVD any further. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted December 20, 2004 RVD is one of the very few people on the WWE Roster who don't need the wwe to be successful. So his whole stance here is very admirable but it's not the first time he's done something of this kind. Remember HHH and Stephanie's wedding? the whole roster was invited... RVD was the only noticable name besides Jericho (@ his first son's birth) who didn't attend. Instead RVD went home to take advantage of the mini-break. Goldust didn't attend either. and he was cut 3 months later. related? maybe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dobbs 3K 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2004 I thought Goldust was cut becuase of that airplane incident. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted December 21, 2004 The airplane incident was like a YEAR before he was cut. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bigm350 Report post Posted December 21, 2004 Why didn't Goldust attend? He didn't want to? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2004 Goldust was let go right at the end of 2003, with the old 'creative have nothing for him' excuse, which basically means they didn't want to use him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2004 His contract expired in January of 2004, didn't it? They let him go a month prior, if memory serves me correct. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted December 21, 2004 Yes his contract was running out but I find it suspect they cut him when he was a very usable mid-carder/tagger who could work good heat matches. That might have been it there; GOOD MATCHES. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Garth 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2004 His contract expired in January of 2004, didn't it? They let him go a month prior, if memory serves me correct. IIRC they just said they weren't going to renew the contract and he wasn't used at all during the period running up to the expiration date. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sideburnious 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2004 HHH probably got him fired because he got better heat than he did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2004 Yes his contract was running out but I find it suspect they cut him when he was a very usable mid-carder/tagger who could work good heat matches. That might have been it there; GOOD MATCHES. The WWE had a weak downside guarantee on their contracts around that time (i.e. Train got $250,000), so it wouldn't surprise me if Dustin thought he was being lowballed on a new contract. (or maybe they just thought he wouldn't be worth the risk financially). Couple that with his age and how they booked themselves into a corner with his gimmick, and you've got your explanation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2004 They could always drop it or move onto other things with him. There was no reason to let Dustin go Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2004 The plan was to have Goldust turn on Booker down the line when Book was main-eventing. When Helmsley vetoed the title change at XIX, "to build myself up to job to Goldberg at Bad Blood", he inadvertedly screwed Goldust. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2004 When Booker found that note that said something like, "I remember", it was meant to be Goldust behind the notes, but he got injured. Then, just like that, creative had nothing for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted December 21, 2004 Goldust must own the record for most dropped angles in history. 90% of the stuff Russo wanted to do with Goldust wasn't allowed, Marlena's turn(that's more Pillman's fault), G-TV, the tourette's, the evanglist (EAT ME), Turning on booker; I remember... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clean rob 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2004 That might have been it there; GOOD MATCHES. Well RVD is safe as houses then. When was his last good (singles) match? When was his last good singles match not involving a ladder? Besides that though, good for him. I'd be doing exactly the same in the situation. No chance of being a real main eventer due to politics, but by simply going through the motions and hitting his crowd-pleasing spots every week, he's going to remain over enough for the company to keep on the payroll. Why kill himself on the indies when a steady paycheck is coming in for minimal effort? And as he'll clearly never ingratiate himself with office, why not have a week off instead of heading to a warzone? Makes sense to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted December 21, 2004 It'd have to be Eddy Guerrero @ Judgment Day 2002. Some like to say the Raw title match last september was good. I don't follow that thinking. He and Rey has had a couple good matches with Kenzo&Dupree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest netslob Report post Posted December 21, 2004 You have to remember Vince is Pro-Miliartary and Mr. Americana republican; so he's doing this in addition to good press because he honestly cares. yeah, sure he does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clean rob 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2004 He and Rey has had a couple good matches with Kenzo&Dupree. Agreed, hence the (singles). Don't get me wrong, I like RVD. He's fun to watch due to sheer athletic talent. But he's not much of one to seem too bothered about his match quality. He suits tag matches pretty well though, he's a great hot tag. Actually, now I think about it, his match with Randy Orton where Randy apparently got concussed (or pretty much knocked out or something) and RVD had to call the whole match around a year ago was fairly good. Meh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Twisted Intestine 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2004 Why did RVD renew his WWE contract(for 3 years) over the summer if he doesn't need WWE and if he could do better on the indy scene? RVD: *Takes a hoot* hmmm... fat WWE contract, where I just have to sit back, put little to no effort in my matches, and do as little work as possible... Or the indies where if I want to make the same amount, or more I'll actually have to work... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2004 They really shouldn't of made it optional then. If RVD really doesn't feel strongly about supporting the troops, then he shouldn't go. I really don't see the big deal. Though I can see why Luther would go when getting pushed by management: he actually has a chance at a pretty good future in WWE. Rob? Well, not so much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ransome Report post Posted December 21, 2004 Man, what would they have done if most of the SD roster (except, say, 5-7 wrestlers) decided not to go? Especially since I imagine the event had been booked months in advance so it's not as if they could have cancelled. Good old RVD. Although I bet that his skipping of a voluntary outing will get him a far worse on-screen punishment than Hardcore Holly roughing up Rene Dupree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2004 They don't have any justification for punishing him at all I don't think. If RVD feared for his safety in Iraq or has some political reason not to go then they ought to respect his decision, especially if it was voluntary. If he just said "Screw this I just want some extended time off" then to me that's ok too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobobrazil1984 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2004 The whole situation reminds me of the scene in Office Space, Jennifer Aniston and the "flair" at Chachi's Well... you dont HAVE to wear all that flair... its voluntary... but we want people to have a... good attitude... So... more flair then? Well... you see... we want people to express themselves... voluntarily.... .................... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brokentusk16 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2004 Good old RVD. Although I bet that his skipping of a voluntary outing will get him a far worse on-screen punishment than Hardcore Holly roughing up Rene Dupree. They actually punished Holly? What did he get 5 minutes to beat up an indie guy instead his usual 7? It's been said already: I don't see the big deal. It's not like RVD is getting a big push. He hasn't gotten one for the last two years, why would now be any different? Well, I guess they need SOMEone to job to JBL at the Royal Rumble, but still. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest M. Harry Smilac Report post Posted December 21, 2004 You have to remember Vince is Pro-Miliartary and Mr. Americana republican; so he's doing this in addition to good press because he honestly cares. Yes he honestly cares when he exploits those same soldiers by putting Hassan out on Raw for cheap heat...He does it to stroke his ego and thats about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest netslob Report post Posted December 21, 2004 my prediction: "Tragedy struck in Iraq today as the "Christmas in Iraq" show presented by the WWE was attacked by the Iraqi army. The only known survivors of the SmackDown! locker room at this time are the Undertaker, Heidenreich, JBL, Kenzo Suzuki, Hardcore Holly, Orlando Jordan, both Bashams and Vince McMahon, who, according to eyewitnesses, used Rey Mysterio as a human shield. more updates as they become available." credit: PWinsider" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 21, 2004 ^--- Kinda reminds me of Total Recall when Schwarzenegger uses some poor sucker as a sheild to about 200 bullets shot at him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slimm44 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2004 Well as I take every 'internet story' I'm sure it goes deeper. But I can't blame anyone. RVD is very well known and it would have been cool for the soldiers to see him. But I'm sure many people were nervous. As for the 'voluntary' effort being mandatory to an extent, that sounds a little bogus RVD may have missed a good experience, but being home for the holidays is more important to some people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
