How hyped are yall for WM21?

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

So basically, you don't like wrestling.

 

No, basically, I don't like bad wrestling. I also don't like the prospect of having to pay $50 for an uninspired show. I don't know how anyone could. Maybe I'm just poor or something, but that's a lot of money to be spending on one event. I'd want to get my money's worth.

 

If I hadn't been here for years of you talking about how the "best thing for the business" was for Benoit to win every match clean, have none of the heels ever say anything bad about him, and main event every PPV, Raw, and Smackdown, I'd think that you were just a gimmick poster that was here to tell us how wrestling sucked.

 

All I ever wanted was Benoit to be an important player in the WWE, and for him to be in a storyline that can maximize his potential. It never happened.

 

The fact is that WM has a way better looking card than it has the last couple years. But since OMG~BENOIT's not in the main event, you don't care, and we're stupid for caring.

 

I was incredibly negative of the WM 3 way last year, still am. Benoit ME'd that. The fact is, for $50 the card is not very good at all, and compared to actual good shows like PRIDE and UFC's, it's particularly poor.

 

And then we have to hear about MMA which has nothing to do with this thread, and which the vast majority of us could give a fuck less about.

 

I think it has a certain amount of relevance here. Our perspective on how good the card is is based on our experience and knowledge of other promotions. This card appears good to some people here because the majority of their wrestling experience is the WWE. Their scale for "good shows" is much weaker than someone who has viewed more promotions and more -and better- shows. Once I felt the excitement of watching a live MMA show, a live wrestling show (even *in the arena*) still can't manage to compare.

 

I mean really, Angle/HBK, and HHH/Batista are the same match? Just stop posting in this thread until you get over yourself

 

I never mentioned Angle/HBK. Read it again, dumbass.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

No Rudo i'm not 11. I'm a grown man who chooses to like wrestling over a bunch of punk ass UFC fighters (they're both a work anyway.)

 

You're more akin to pavlovs dogs in the way you are "always excited" for Wrestlemania.

 

MMA bores me, like WWE obviously bores you. The difference is, i'm not acting like a bitch because you don't like WWE. You on the other hand is acting like a female about MY choices. Stop being so emotional.

 

You're putting too much importance on yourself, here. I generally can't stand when people lick up Vinces shit and say it tastes like chocolate. The WWE wouldn't bore me if they put on better shows. I ask myself "Is this the best they can do?" in terms of making matches and building the show and the answer is a resounding NO. And for $50, they should be giving it their best effort. But since there are fans like you who are willing to accept the crap they spew out, fans like me have to suffer through their mediocrity.

 

Neither UFC or Pride have the top fighters in the world. Boxers are the top fighters in the world. Boxers don't lay on each other for 10-15 minutes they actually fight.

 

Put the top boxer against a top MMA fighter in a street fight. The boxer would be creamed. "Punching" is not "fighting". Boxers may be the best "punchers" in the world, but they are no where near the best fighters.

 

Does MMA make moe money then WWE?

 

MMA doesn't run the same sort of shows, it's business and operations model is different. The "works" in MMA are as frequent as the "***** match" in the WWE.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Are you 11?  Cause that's about the peak age when I was hyped for Wrestlemania based on it being "Wrestlemania".  Then I sorta grew out of it cause that event was WM 9 and it blew chunks.  Since then, WM hasn't really proven to be a "must buy" event.

Since then? Even the beloved WM X?

Nope. WM X always had a different "feel" for me. Which is perhaps why I tend to look at their top two matches as being severely overrated. Somewhere along the way my interest died, probably because they put more of a focus on RAW and less on Superstars and I missed out on a lot of angles. That, and Hogan was gone.

[Guest Coffey]

RRR, you should've been suspended from the WWE folder a LONG fucking time ago.

[bob_barron 0]

RRR, you should've been suspended from the WWE folder a LONG fucking time ago.

Why?

 

RRR can sometimes be a dick and I disagree with him more often then not, but like it or not he can back up his points to a degree which makes him better then most posters of this folder.

 

I'm surprised he still watches and follows. WWE though

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I remember when you said you'd be willing to get banned if it meant me getting banned. It was, like, the biggest compliment I've ever gotten.

 

I also love to hear all this excitement about Mania and then I hear lots of "decents" and "not bads" in describing th ematches. I don't pay $50 for "decent". If you do, could you send me over some $$$, I have some wooden nickels that you might be interested in.

[Promoter 0]

I'm going to have to agree on another overhyped WM and that IS X. I actually think WM 19 is much better quality wise than that event. The trick to that event was the 2 title matches. They did that to cover up the fact that the main event was a weak draw. The storyline behind it all was superb though. I can only imagine if they used that angle on real over guys how it would have gone over big time in the media. I'm not ripping Bret Hart here. He deserved the spot. Maybe they should have had the ladder match as the first championship match and then do HBK/Bret in the finals. This is not hindsight either because I was thinking the thing even when it was promoted. Just like I thought HBK should have been the champion in 1995. I remember in 1997 e-mailing them like crazy about how they screwed up in those years and how they were screwing up having Austin jobbing out to Savio and Bret when he had the most potential to break out along with HBK being a lame babyface. Maybe it's coincident, but they somehow got things back on track. I guess getting their tails kicked every week made them pay attention to the us fans as I'm sure others were saying the same thing.

 

You see I kind of agree that sometimes they really could do much better, but looking at how things went down and the reshuffling of the matches they had planned I think this Mania came out actually better than what they planned.

[bob_barron 0]

Austin wasn't jobbed out to Savio- except for the strap match it seems like he got the upper hand in their feud much mire then he did. He even was the first guy he beat with the stunner.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I liked WM 19's atmosphere, and didn't much care for the beginning of the UN-BE-LIEVABLE! era of the WWE which was decidedly kiddish. I never thought much of MSG as an arena -aesthetically speaking- and Safeco Field (I believe) was a great place to have an event.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

No Rudo i'm not 11. I'm a grown man who chooses to like wrestling over a bunch of punk ass UFC fighters (they're both a work anyway.). MMA bores me, like WWE obviously bores you. The difference is, i'm not acting like a bitch because you don't like WWE. You on the other hand is acting like a female about MY choices. Stop being so emotional.

 

Neither UFC or Pride have the top fighters in the world. Boxers are the top fighters in the world. Boxers don't lay on each other for 10-15 minutes they actually fight.

 

 

 

Does MMA make moe money then WWE?

I like this quote a lot.

 

This year's WM is so lacklustre I won't even bother stealing it. Seriously, if it was on free tv, it wouldn't really be free since I'd be investing about three (or is it four?) hours of my time into it, and THAT is too steep a price to pay.

 

For you guys that are hyped for Liddell-Couture II; sorry, but same result as the last time. But at least it's not a work so who knows?

 

I don't like comparing pro wrestling to MMA because MMA is a sport, while pro wrestling is not. It sounds simple yet for some reason a strong tie remains between the two for whatever reason.

 

Wrestlemania hasn't really had that special feel since they added all the PPV's to the year. The buildup is not as good since it's almost like a monthly thing, two at most. Of course they'd lose too much money to make things more simpler like back in the day, so I guess it works for them now since no one seems to care.

[cabbageboy 0]

I'll go along with the WM X talk. It came to mind recently after I saw the Keith Rant for it on insidepulse.com. I for one have never seen what is all that great about the show. The ladder match with Michaels and Razor is kinda dated over a decade, what with the insane TLC stuff and all. Bret and Owen is a good match but I tend to prefer the Bret/Bulldog SS 92 match to it (another rare time when Bret jobbed clean) since it was actually FOR something and had a mega huge crowd and heat off the charts.

 

In fact I was bewildered when I saw how well loved the show was. It certainly didn't make a huge impression on me at the time beyond "Well Bret lost to his brother and beat Yoko for the title, but Yoko kinda cost himself the match."

 

The undercard on the show is basically garbage, nothing being even remotely decent aside from maybe Macho/Crush and it was easily topped by whatever sick shit Cactus Jack was doing at the time.

 

Hell, forget it being the best WM ever or anything, it's really rather like WM 13. Basically a show with 2 good matches and a bunch of crap (I'm counting the 6 man hardcore match from WM 13 as a good match).

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

I really liked WM X because Bret was always my favourite wrestler. That pretty much explains it. Going from losing to his brother in the opener to winning the title and celebrating with all the guys in the back at the end. That had a special feel for me.

 

Also, WM 14 was a changing of the guard, what with Austin becoming the main guy. Those two stick out in my mind. Of course, what created the atmosphere and pretty much cemented WM as "The Show" is 3, but like I said before with the current state of the business, we'll never get a main event like that one again.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

RRR, you should've been suspended from the WWE folder a LONG fucking time ago.

You'll get banned from here before he does.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I don't like comparing pro wrestling to MMA because MMA is a sport, while pro wrestling is not. It sounds simple yet for some reason a strong tie remains between the two for whatever reason.

 

I mainly brought it up mostly because both are offered on PPV and find UFC to be the better deal for my money.

[Promoter 0]

You see that is my point about why some are down about the hype for Mania this year and the quality of the card. If you really look at Mania cards of the past this year's event isn't really bad at all. It is strange they are only promoting 8 matches, but it does make me think they will give the proper time to the ladder match, Angle/HBK, and Rey/Eddie. If they do that and the men deliver even at the good rate people will praise it. The underwhelming hype will only make it better although Angle really sounds like he is serious about trying to have the greatest match ever. Hopefully, the man doesn't kill himself in there with his condition.

 

Cena/JBL could be a decent brawl. The trick there is the match outcome. The same with Batista/HHH. For what they have I think they've done a good job. Could it have been better? Yes, but it would have to be re-shuffled and built from months ago. Akebono/Big Show is trying to get the Hogan/Andre freak show element to it for the masses. Will it work? Maybe or maybe not. They had Goldberg and Lesnar for that last year and I'm sure that won't dissapoint as much as that since Akebono is not a pro wrestler. I will not forgive them for the women's title match though when they got Victoria and Molly just wasting away.

 

In being completely honest I don't think WrestleMania has ever been the same since Hogan/Warrior in 1990. For some reason the shows just felt real grand back then from top to bottom. Sure, looking back matches like Santana vs. Barbarian seem average, but at the time those matches were rare for us to see. It could be that they over-expose everybody weekly nowadays. I think it was only until WM 14 did Mania start to get back to its old school level where Austin was crowned champion with Mike Tyson. WM 15 sucked plain and simple as that is another WrestleMania I never re-watch(I forgot about this show as I don't have this on tape either and don't plan too*I'll just keep the main event just like Mania 20). WM 17 when it went down felt like Mania, but that build up was horrible. Remember the crap with Debra in the Rock/Austin storyline that ended up being about nothing? Even Taker/HHH's build sucked. Hogan/Rock would have the best build if it wasn't for the stupid ass semi nonsense. They haven't hyped up WM properly since WM 14 in my opinion. WM 16 I already touched upon as that probably got the best hype with the All-Day Long and the fatal fourway, but the undercard build was terrible. They used Mania's history to sell that show, so it kind of doesn't count.

[iggymcfly 0]

Well to clarify, I agree the card isn't worth $50. Hell, I don't even think WM X-7 was worth that kind of money. In my personal experience, "seeing a PPV" means going to a bar with up to a $5 cover, (usually free) or getting it off the internet. I was just saying that for free, I was interested enough to put some effort into finding a feed or a bar in the area.

 

My main point was that WM XXI had a lot better card than the Manias from the last couple years. I remember thinking that WM XIX and WM XX didn't "feel like Wrestlemania" at all, and were at most, just another PPV. I was just saying that this show was the first one that had the quality to at least feel like a top-level event since WM X-8.

[res37618 0]

It's hard for me to get stoked about paying $50 to watch ANYTHING, actually. Whether it's WrestleMania, PRIDE, UFC, or what . . . it's hard to afford all the shows nowadays . . .

 

Man, I miss when there were 5 PPV's a year that cost like $19.95 each . . . those were the days!

[tominator89 0]

So, Wrestlemania actually costs $50 now? Wow, I just got the Friday the 13th box set for that much which included 8 movies and one bonus disc. That's a helluva lot more material for the price.

[Myxamatosis 0]

Personally, I believe that the WWE has done the best it could have to promote this particular card. Now, that doesn't mean they've done the best with each character involved for the past 12 months, as Mania matches could have been booked within the last few months (Batista - HHH) or the last few weeks (Orton - Taker). Those matches have been built well.

 

I can't blame anyone for losing interest in Smackdown or Raw based upon the events of last year or previous years, and thus losing interest in buying the ppv. But, I am willing to cop out $50 for Angle-HBK, Guerrero - Mysterio, Taker - Orton and the six-way ladder match.

 

But then again, if I had been disenchanted in the product for the last few months, this card surely wouldn't bring me back.

 

With the landscape of the WWE right now, I couldn't imagine a better card. Add in a few more weeks of build to Guerrero - Mysterio and an intercontinental title defense for some spice but the event could do without.

 

So yeah, I'm pretty hyped up for this shit. But, it better not dissapoint. Then I'd be in the boat with the rest of ya.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

Well with Wrestlemania you get eight...matches, but a bonus pre-event show to boot!

 

Seriously, fifty dollars for eight matches, a good chunk of which has no real worth. I can't imagine buying it, yet this thing will probably be sell huge because "It's Wrestlemania".

[Guest Shadow]

you could wait 3 weeks and spend 30 bucks(if it was good enough for it) and get the same match quality on dvd plus the extras. Cheaper and more useful.

 

Bars will air it and im sure it will be downloadable quickly.

 

I'm watching it because 5 guys split 10 bucks and rrr can shut his mouth right now. Im also getting UFC.

[Creepy Crawl 0]

IMO . The storylines have been average , but the build up to the PPV itself just did'nt seem to have the impact and anticipation that it could have had . RAW was a complete bust to me , and Smakdown was'nt much better . I give the whole thing a 5 on a scale of 1-10 .

[bobobrazil1984 0]

how hyped am i for WM???

 

................ is there any new backstage news on the Edge/Lita/Matt thing???

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

how hyped am i for WM???

 

................ is there any new backstage news on the Edge/Lita/Matt thing???

Edge knocked up Lita and she gave birth to a healthy and happy plastic hand earlier this week.

[Styles 0]

RRR, you know I'm an MMA fan (looks at sig...hmm yeah I guess I am), and I see where you're going with the whole MMA is Pro Wrestling argument (same one Meltzer makes) and from a business and showmanship perspective, you're right. But, the styles are noticeably different. It's not for everybody and some people just want to see an atheltic stunt show laid out that only Wrestling provides. So, on that note I will stand behind you in saying UFC 52 and Pride whateveritscalledwiththetournament are going to kick maximum ass and be well worth the money for anyone old or new to MMA, at the same time lay off people for being hyped for Mania. This is the wrestling folder afterall, and Wrestlemania is the marquee wrestling event of the year. Might it be the 3rd best PPV sporting event? Might. But, in terms of Pro Wrestling there is no equal (sorry TNA).

 

Anyway, with that said, maybe I'm just easy to please or something but I am hyped for the show and think they've done a good job with it. I'm splitting it with 4 friends, so for $10 the price sure isn't an issue anymore and I see the potential for a really good top to bottom show.

 

The coolest thing is that it's 4 hours and only 8 matches, 2 of them (the women's and sumo deal) are not going to last long. That means matches like HBk/Angle, The Ladder Match and Eddy/Rey will get their due time to shine instead of being rushed. I think those 3 matches have the potential to really be show stealers.

 

Besides that, I've become a real big mark for Big Dave the last few months. They've finally got a character who the fans connect with and believe in. I get excited when he comes out. I want to see him win that title. I still have that knot in my stomach that tells me he might not, and that to me makes this match intriguing and worth watching. The pop for when, IF, he pins HHH and wins the title will be awesome. It will be different then last year with Benoit. That was more REAL then anything I've felt watching wrestling, but this within the realm of wrestling will be the ultimate satisfying conclusion.

 

JBL/Cena I'm not excited for the match at all but I've at least been in to their interviews lately and my friends and I hate Cena with a passion so we'll have our fun chanting for JBL and hoping he retains.

 

Oh and come on Piper and Austin will be interviewing each other. How can you not love that?

 

I agree $50 is a lot and if you're on a limited budget AND an MMA fan, April is a REALLY tough month. But, if you're jst a WWE fan and especially if you can find a friend or 2 to split the show with, go ahead and splurge. It's Wrestlemania, the entire roster will be motivated to put their best performances on, and it's still the one event a year that's treated with an historical significance, in that things that happen on Sunday will be brought up again and again when hyping future Wrestlemanias.

[Use Your Illusion 0]

Man, what a crock. I wouldn't pay $50 for *any* PPV, that is just absolutely RIDICULOUS. Here in Australia, it costs $21.90 to see Wrestlemania 21 on Pay-Per-View, or roughly $17 US.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I never said MMA was pro wrestling, I said they share similar elements that make them relatable for wrestling fans. I think Meltzer is on the pipe with that assessment especially when his key argument is "Japanese Wrestling Magazines Cover it".

 

I just cannot believe that this is supposed to be "The biggest show of the year", to me, with the build, it feels like a RAW. The angles either feel rushed or half-baked, and many have been thrown together just to put em on TV. Hey, this truly is WRESTLEMANIA!

[Guest Shadow]

Well; Rudo I know you alluded to that you haven't been excited about any manias since IX(really sad yet understandable that show killed things for you) but has ANY wrestling show made you happy going into it and out of it?

 

be it a tv show, house show, ppv...

[KingPK 0]

I'm not all that hyped, since there's not that one "must see match" for me that Wrestlemania usually has. I'll do what I've done the last three years: wait for the DVD.

[Guest bottyboy]

No Rudo i'm not 11. I'm a grown man who chooses to like wrestling over a bunch of punk ass UFC fighters (they're both a work anyway.)

 

You're more akin to pavlovs dogs in the way you are "always excited" for Wrestlemania.

 

MMA bores me, like WWE obviously bores you. The difference is, i'm not acting like a bitch because you don't like WWE. You on the other hand is acting like a female about MY choices. Stop being so emotional.

 

You're putting too much importance on yourself, here. I generally can't stand when people lick up Vinces shit and say it tastes like chocolate. The WWE wouldn't bore me if they put on better shows. I ask myself "Is this the best they can do?" in terms of making matches and building the show and the answer is a resounding NO. And for $50, they should be giving it their best effort. But since there are fans like you who are willing to accept the crap they spew out, fans like me have to suffer through their mediocrity.

 

Neither UFC or Pride have the top fighters in the world. Boxers are the top fighters in the world. Boxers don't lay on each other for 10-15 minutes they actually fight.

 

Put the top boxer against a top MMA fighter in a street fight. The boxer would be creamed. "Punching" is not "fighting". Boxers may be the best "punchers" in the world, but they are no where near the best fighters.

 

Does MMA make moe money then WWE?

 

MMA doesn't run the same sort of shows, it's business and operations model is different. The "works" in MMA are as frequent as the "***** match" in the WWE.

So i'm supposed to hate WWE, because you think they put out crap? I like the product, I understand that others don't, and that is their right. You seem to think that because you think the product sucks, I should feel the same. That's what make you look like the dumbass. If you hate it Rudo that is fine, but don't start a flaming battle with me for enjoying it. If you like feeling yourself to UFC battles, that's fine, it's just not my thing.

 

Prove to me that a top UFC/Pride middle weight can kick Benard Hopkin's ass. You can't because it just won't happen. The fight wouldn't even last 1 minute, soon as one of "your boys' tries to do do one of them sloppy take downs they'd be knocked out. I think if we took a nation wide poll I would win.

 

But why keep up this petty little pissing contest Rudo? Your mind is set on what you like, as is mine. You don't like WWE, I do. You like UFC, I don't. You think UFC/Pride is a real sporting competition, I know it's a work. Let's just agree to disagree.

 

*Goes to eat some more of Vince's Chocolate Ice cream*