Giuseppe Zangara Posted July 22, 2005 Report Posted July 22, 2005 There are no new ideas, only new ways of doing old ideas.
Giuseppe Zangara Posted July 22, 2005 Author Report Posted July 22, 2005 Grunge + metal. I'm talking about doing something completely new, not combining pre-existing styles of music.
Corey_Lazarus Posted July 22, 2005 Report Posted July 22, 2005 Well, really, hip hop was combining Disco/funk with spoken word poetry, so...
Giuseppe Zangara Posted July 22, 2005 Author Report Posted July 22, 2005 But the poetry is exactly what makes it an innovation. Rapping doesn't involve standing there and saying a bunch of things that rhyme; there's breath control, lyrical flow, etc. EDIT: So what I'm saying is that even a seemingly minor modification can create something totally new.
snuffbox Posted July 22, 2005 Report Posted July 22, 2005 I didn't really mean the nu-metal remark... If new things from combinations dont count than rock 'n' roll is out as well. I think Moby was onto a major innovation with Play. Blending something so raw, organic, and ancient with the newest technology and styles is a powerful way expose listeners to something new and unique. The songs at that disc have a deep emotional quality that is pretty much its own. I think this record idea was something that should really be built further on.
Giuseppe Zangara Posted July 22, 2005 Author Report Posted July 22, 2005 DJ Shadow's Endtroducing... beats Moby's Play by three years. Even then, Moby is a child of electronic music, which you can trace back to the 50s.
5_moves_of_doom Posted July 22, 2005 Report Posted July 22, 2005 I sadly would have to agree with this statement, which is very unfortunate. I don't even think there's been a new GENRE invented, combination-induced or not, since Post-Rock. Though depending on people's standards two or three others could probably be named off as well.
Guest Agent of Oblivion Posted July 22, 2005 Report Posted July 22, 2005 The timeframe we're talking about is around 25 years. Consider how often it took for other major innovations to take place, and really it's not that bad. It just seems long because it coincides with or supercedes most of our lifetimes. Hip hop came about around 30 years after early rock and roll, which was around 30 years after big band swing started moving, and I'm sure something else happened in the 1890's, but I'm sunk on knowledge of music prior to the 20th century. Give it 5-10 more years and then worry.
The Czech Republic Posted July 22, 2005 Report Posted July 22, 2005 I'm really hard-pressed to challenge this statement. I came up with a bunch of stuff and then scratched them all out. What's left to do in music?
Corey_Lazarus Posted July 22, 2005 Report Posted July 22, 2005 I'd say swing metal...but ska/metal and skacore kinda have that done to a certain degree. Maybe the next big step will involve a triangle?
Eclipse Posted July 22, 2005 Report Posted July 22, 2005 I was thinking about that the other day. Nothing new has been made, just blending of current styles, but I guess some people can count that as something new...
Edwin MacPhisto Posted July 23, 2005 Report Posted July 23, 2005 I'd say swing metal...but ska/metal and skacore kinda have that done to a certain degree. Major innovations probably should have the potential to actually produce good music.
Corey_Lazarus Posted July 23, 2005 Report Posted July 23, 2005 Yes, because no ska or metal band has ever produced good music.
Edwin MacPhisto Posted July 23, 2005 Report Posted July 23, 2005 Well, I'd argue very few ska bands have ever made good music, for one. But swing metal? That's pretty low down on the "retarded musical genres" list.
Corey_Lazarus Posted July 23, 2005 Report Posted July 23, 2005 Maybe so, but the ones that combine pretty contrasting styles usually produce something interesting. After all, rock n' roll is just country and blues with more reverb.
Annabelle Posted July 23, 2005 Report Posted July 23, 2005 arguable. but i'll suggest house music. sure, born in new york gay dance clubs, but didn't really come into fruition until the 80-s. isn't hip hop born in the 70's? i don't know anymore. i just know daft punk & ect came after the birth of hip hop. what am i doing here?
Guest Agent of Oblivion Posted July 23, 2005 Report Posted July 23, 2005 Anyone done noise composition on orchestral instruments yet? Like a full symphony.
Giuseppe Zangara Posted July 23, 2005 Author Report Posted July 23, 2005 House is an offshoot of electronic music, so no. And, offhand, I can't think of any examples of what Gene suggested, but it wouldn't be a "major" innovation, anyway.
The Czech Republic Posted July 23, 2005 Report Posted July 23, 2005 What about the music on Frank Zappa's Jazz From Hell? It's not really jazz, but it's not really electronic either.
razazteca Posted July 23, 2005 Report Posted July 23, 2005 I'm sure the british will find a way to innovate one of the boring music styles into something worth paying for.
Ced Posted July 23, 2005 Report Posted July 23, 2005 Too bad nothing good can come out of my idea of Death Metal a Cappella.
Giuseppe Zangara Posted July 23, 2005 Author Report Posted July 23, 2005 What about the music on Frank Zappa's Jazz From Hell? It's not really jazz, but it's not really electronic either. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> New way of doing something old. Doesn't count.
PLAGIARISM! Posted July 23, 2005 Report Posted July 23, 2005 It'd have to be in a medium other than electronic or acoustic then, wouldn't it? The one that doesn't exist. Maybe we'll start shooting up music.
Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye Posted July 24, 2005 Report Posted July 24, 2005 Darkthrone - Transylvanian Hunger.
The Czech Republic Posted July 24, 2005 Report Posted July 24, 2005 What about the music on Frank Zappa's Jazz From Hell? It's not really jazz, but it's not really electronic either. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> New way of doing something old. Doesn't count. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, but the songs themselves I can't really think of as having any defining characteristic from a stylistic standpoint other than that they're executed by a computer because they cannot be played by men.
Guest Agent of Oblivion Posted July 24, 2005 Report Posted July 24, 2005 Jazzy avant-garde prog, I'd call it. "Electronic" is an adjective that fits. The next goldmine is Latin pop country.
Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye Posted July 24, 2005 Report Posted July 24, 2005 Darkthrone Transilvanian Hunger Peaceville 1994 Production: More desperately distorted and flagrantly low-fi than any previous release in rock or metal, this album uses organic granularity in production to highlight the essential tones within its (complex but minimalistic) melodies. Review: An album of pure melody running like riverstreams under a pulsing ambient beat with no teleology or intention other than a continuous cycle of aggression and ambiguity brings forth its genius in the complexity of the relations in these deliberately scaled-down simple riffs and melodic interchanges. Highly dissonant in its composition, this music builds spaces to grow in from the seemingly random and nihilistic combinations of notes that are simultaneously familiar in their essential relationships. 1. Transilvanian Hunger 2. Over Fjell Og Gjennom Torner 3. Skald Av Satans Sol 4. Slottet I det Fjerne 5. Graven Tåkeheimens Saler 6. I En Hall Med Flesk Og Mjød 7. As Flittermice As Satans Spys 8. En Ås I Dype Skogen Length: 39:06 Master percussionist Fenriz extends his philosophy of simple drumming to a style where the toms and bass interplay for a constant roughshod grapple of elemental forces as accented by the sinister shadow of a companion cymbal or high-hat, riding each other into a continuity unprecedented in this genre, including archly-satanic battlefield fills that in simplicity and desperation express the dying gasp of a world aflame with its own denial. Over that guitars layer melody in single notes and contrapuntal dissonant patterns, creating a void of extreme ambiguity that demonstrates the doppler effect in music by approaching beat centers with a rising or descending but paradoxically oppositional melody. Orchestration of construction makes the brilliance of this album; raw patterns fashioned from chaos build entities of sublime profundity from the subconscious parsing of metaphorical structure. The voice of bitter wisdom sounding harsh angular tones above the raging madness acts as commentator; the music stands alone. http://anus.com/metal/darkthrone.html
razazteca Posted July 25, 2005 Report Posted July 25, 2005 The next big thing will be spanish dance hall rap.
Corey_Lazarus Posted July 25, 2005 Report Posted July 25, 2005 I'd like to see post-punk laptop rap make it big. Those silly college kids!
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