Shit-storm coming for Kanye?

[MrRant 0]

So you agree that he has not asked to talk a bit on another show or offer to come on one of the day time shows? Point proven then.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

...what point was that again? Do I look like Kanye's publicist?

[Ripper 0]

Why would he? Leno isn't shown on 8-10 channels at once. The largest audience that he would be able to speak to at one time, short of runningout on the field right before Superbowl kickoff, was right there.

 

For some reason, I think if he went off script and said "people need to lay off the critisizm of the media and of George Bush, they are only doing their jobs and to the best of their ability" people wouldn't have been bitching about him needing to keep his mouth shut.

[MrRant 0]

Disagree. I think there would still be criticsm of how the state and federal goverment had brain farts on multiple issues relating to the issue as they would point out that Kanye didn't know what he was talking about if you look at the time they had to prepare and get people out etc.

[dubq 0]

Sure didn't, because he had the ability to talk for a few minutes on a nationally televised telethon.

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Which is the whole point of why it was completely the inappropriate time. Did any other celebrity do that during the telethon?

 

A fundraiser/telethon is NOT a place to air polictical beliefs. It's not a place to call out the media. It's not a place to ALIENATE possible donors by saying things outside of what you are told to say.

 

Like I said before. Give an interview. Make a video. WHATEVER. The man sells millions of dollars worth of music and you're telling me that the only opportunity for him to raise his beefs is on a telethon for disaster RELIEF?!

 

Whatever.

[Ripper 0]

Nope, I am saying it was the best place. If he started talking about social security, then fine, complain all day. But he was talking about the subject at hand. The teleprompter was probably the same ol "Millions of homes have been lost. Thousands of lives have been lost. please help these people." stuff that was said a thousand times, but at the same time this was contridicting ALOT of the coverage that the same channels were doing of the hurricane. I don't watch the news to hear reporters talk about how the people look like animals. I don't watch it to hear "How can they expect people to help them if they are acting like this". I don't want to hear at a press conference about helping the people in New Orleansabout how military was sent in that "know how to kill and will" when it pertains to the "looting" of grocery stores. Where are the people taking them to task for their off the cuff, unscripted comments? One person who DID take them to task was Kanye when he was given the opportunity. Like I said, in essense, he defended the people that were getting a bad rap all day, then all of a sudden they were the subject of a relief fund. He dubunked the images that were across the screen most of the day by stating that the media was misrepresnting the victims. If he hadn't topped it off with the Bush comment, I don't think many people could argue with what did.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

It's not a place to ALIENATE possible donors by saying things outside of what you are told to say.

 

I'm calling major, massive, steaming pile of shenanegans on this comment.

 

If you think people are LESS LIKELY to donate for hurricane relief because of what Kanye said, you either don't understand human thought or you're using hysterical hyperbole to prove your point. People aren't going to be less likely to donate to hurricane relief because Kanye let everyone know that the people down there suffering aren't animals. Try to keep to sane, rational points when you're making your case.

[Slayer 0]

Humanity as a whole is hardly a rational being

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

To some extent, but just as Rant/Czech/half of the board said, "NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR STUPID CELEBRITY OPINION!!!"

 

So, why would you be less likely to donate?

 

In fact, why would you watch the program in the first place? If that's the case, how does Kanye's opinion make it less likely that Joe Donor is going to donate? All they've got to do is call 1-800-HELP-NOW. They don't have to tune into some potentially corny and horrifically boring telethon where all the speakers are expected to parrot each other. They'd call anyway. The only possible effect of Kanye's words would be positive, to persuade those reluctant to give to help the "animals" that it's a worthy cause. That he went down the murky road of blaming the President isn't nearly the point; since his comments are made "irrelevant" by that remark, the net effect of his speech is nil and vivisectvi, Rant, et al are using straw men to condemn West.

 

Thing is, people that take a step back for a second already realize that. The fact that I have to explain this means that I just have too much fucking time on my hands between class and working out.

[nl5xsk1 0]

Based on the very point of his argument -- the media's racism --  a Kanye West press conference or interview would very little pull in the mass media. Not a damned person would've seen it, heard about it, or talked about the important issues he raised. You're offering a red herring for the sake of bashing someone with whom you disagree.

 

The point was to raise awareness, before he had the AUDACITY to talk about Bush. The last part, as Ripper said, was ill advised. The parts before were terribly relevant, and probably could've convinced people who were apathetic towards contributing to care a little bit more. However, the soundbite is "Bush doesn't care about black people,"

so you can argue about how Kanye West hates America and is tactless, stupid, belligerant, foul-mouthed, and black.

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Wait, I thought his quote was "George Bush doesn't care about Black people" ... how is that addressing the alleged media racism? And I think that if Kanye West called a press conference, there's a chance that not many people would have shown up to see it / report on it live, but his comments would have gained plenty of attention. It's far from a red herring, and I only partially disagree with Kanye's statement. (I said earlier that I agree that Bush doesn't care about POOR people, regardless of the color of their skin. If this was a piss-poor white community in peril, Bush would be as apathetic as he is about a poor black community.)

 

And regarding the second bolded part, I don't think Kanye hates America, nor do I think he's stupid, belligerant, or foul-mouthed. Most importantly, the color of his skin has nothing to do with my feelings on the entire subject. I will agree that he showed a remarkable lack of tact in his timing, though.

[snuffbox 0]

Kanye will be performing during the MTV/VH1/CMT special for hurricane victims this Saturday.

 

Hell of a shitstorm, I hope FEMA and the President are prepared....

[2GOLD 0]

Yeah, if the words of Kanye West or anyone "famous" can sway you on whether or not to give money to charity then you aren't much of a human to begin with. If you are going to give money, give the cash, keep your mouth shut you did it and move on with your life.

 

I've never understood these celebrity pleas nor have I understood the "we'll hold a show to give people a reason to donate" thing. If people don't want to give for the sake of giving I don't see them being much of a good person to begin with.

 

Do you walk up to the people at the Toys for Tots box and say, "I'll give you this toy IF you do a little dance for me."

 

Charity concerts, yeah I get those. Ticket sales go to the charity, that's fine and dandy I suppose. Never understood some of this "entertain me then I'll pay for your dying kid" mentality.

[dubq 0]

It's not a place to ALIENATE possible donors by saying things outside of what you are told to say.

 

I'm calling major, massive, steaming pile of shenanegans on this comment.

 

If you think people are LESS LIKELY to donate for hurricane relief because of what Kanye said, you either don't understand human thought or you're using hysterical hyperbole to prove your point. People aren't going to be less likely to donate to hurricane relief because Kanye let everyone know that the people down there suffering aren't animals. Try to keep to sane, rational points when you're making your case.

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Up yours chief, I know all about irrational donors - I work with them all the time.. and if they see someone or hear something they don't like associated with 'the cause' then they will take their dollars elsewhere. It happens with cancer, it happens with animals, and it happens with religious orginazations trying to "feed the children" and it certainly applies to disaster relief.

[dubq 0]

Yeah, if the words of Kanye West or anyone "famous" can sway you on whether or not to give money to charity then you aren't much of a human to begin with. If you are going to give money, give the cash, keep your mouth shut you did it and move on with your life.

 

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Charity concerts, yeah I get those. Ticket sales go to the charity, that's fine and dandy I suppose. Never understood some of this "entertain me then I'll pay for your dying kid" mentality.

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You obviously don't understand rich people/companies, then.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Wait, I thought his quote was "George Bush doesn't care about Black people" ... how is that addressing the alleged media racism?

 

That's exactly the point some of us have been trying to make this entire thread.

 

That was the soundbite, because it was the last thing he said. That was one line of the off-script remarks. He also talked about the fact that the media is portraying black "looters" and white "survivors", etc.

[Prime Time Andrew Doyle 0]

I like Kanye, probably gonna pick up "Late Registration" on monday, but I would have to say that what he said was unnecessary and out of line for what he was doing. Saying that Bush does not like black people is almost as bad as one of the lines on Heard 'Em Say, in which he said a blatant lie about the U.S Government administering AIDS. A person in his position and the standing in the hip=hop community should know better. Instead of using actual facts to back up claims like the ones he makes, he spouts of emotional rants and sets a bad example.

 

BTW, if what I just wrote is incoherient I will probably elaborate in the mronign because I am fucking tired from a long day at school and beign distracted by the cricket and the printing of a report.

[Toshiaki Koala 0]

To quote Black Sheep:

 

KILL WHITEY~!

 

There. I said it for Kanye and the other backpackers.

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Nah, better credit that to Naked Gun 33 1/3. That way you'll be quoting a comedy that doesn't suck.

[snuffbox 0]

To quote Black Sheep:

 

KILL WHITEY~!

 

There. I said it for Kanye and the other backpackers.

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Nah, better credit that to Naked Gun 33 1/3. That way you'll be quoting a comedy that doesn't suck.

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Right.

[Annabelle 0]

thats the crack music nigga

the real black music nigga

[ant_7000 0]

Kanye could've kept the Bush part to himself, but everything else he said was the truth. Then the Barbra Bush comment even reinforce his opinon on Dubya. If his comments kept anyone from donating then there's something wrong with them. This was a good time to talk about the situation, if Kanye held a press conference, only blacks would know about it and dicuss, while whites would be in the dark and pretty much dismiss it.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

http://ia300135.us.archive.org/0/items/Geo...BlackPeople.mp3

 

The Remix

[Lord of The Curry 0]

I like Kanye, probably gonna pick up "Late Registration" on monday, but I would have to say that what he said was unnecessary and out of line for what he was doing. Saying that Bush does not like black people is almost as bad as one of the lines on Heard 'Em Say, in which he said a blatant lie about the U.S Government administering AIDS. A person in his position and the standing in the hip=hop community should know better. Instead of using actual facts to back up claims like the ones he makes, he spouts of emotional rants and sets a bad example.

 

BTW, if what I just wrote is incoherient I will probably elaborate in the mronign because I am fucking tired from a long day at school and beign distracted by the cricket and the printing of a report.

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What would've been a more correct thing to say? George Bush only cares about one in ten black people? Because the last figures on African American voters stated that 90% of blacks voted democrat.

[snuffbox 0]

Hilarity ensued in Boston last night...the brilliant audience at the football game cheered wildly for the Rolling Stones' new anti-Bush song, then booed Kanye who, I believe, only permormed without making any statements.

 

Well informed folks in New England.

[dubq 0]

I like Kanye, probably gonna pick up "Late Registration" on monday, but I would have to say that what he said was unnecessary and out of line for what he was doing. Saying that Bush does not like black people is almost as bad as one of the lines on Heard 'Em Say, in which he said a blatant lie about the U.S Government administering AIDS. A person in his position and the standing in the hip=hop community should know better. Instead of using actual facts to back up claims like the ones he makes, he spouts of emotional rants and sets a bad example.

 

BTW, if what I just wrote is incoherient I will probably elaborate in the mronign because I am fucking tired from a long day at school and beign distracted by the cricket and the printing of a report.

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What would've been a more correct thing to say? George Bush only cares about one in ten black people? Because the last figures on African American voters stated that 90% of blacks voted democrat.

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The more correct thing to say would've been whatever was on the teleprompter. As was said before, he was there to ASK FOR AIDE FOR DISASTER RELIEF, and NOT to air his own personal political beefs/opinions.

[The Czech Republic 0]

Hilarity ensued in Boston last night...the brilliant audience at the football game cheered wildly for the Rolling Stones' new anti-Bush song, then booed Kanye who, I believe, only permormed without making any statements.

 

Well informed folks in New England.

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BOSTON DOESN'T CARE ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE

[Guest Brian]

That sounds about right Czech.

[Sideburnious 0]

Well Boston is full of Irish....

 

 

 

 

 

 

And if I was Kanye, I probably would have done the same thing

[nl5xsk1 0]

Hilarity ensued in Boston last night...the brilliant audience at the football game cheered wildly for the Rolling Stones' new anti-Bush song, then booed Kanye who, I believe, only permormed without making any statements.

 

Well informed folks in New England.

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BOSTON DOESN'T CARE ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE

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Umm, didn't Kanye perform in LA, and not New England at all.

 

I didn't watch the kickoff show at all ... couldn't care less for any of the artists that performed ... so did the "Boston" fans boo a screen that was showing his performance, or were these "Boston" fans actually in LA?

[Mik 0]

Yeah, I saw the pregame show. Kanye performed Heard Em Say in LA with Adam Levine directly followed by Maroon 5 performing Harder to Breathe. I heard, I'd say, a grand total of zero boos throughout the entire performance. The man wasn't even in Boston.

 

But why let the facts get in the way.

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Sorry to bump this, but I just found a pretty funny photo. Esp. the Chris Tucker bit in the upper-right corner: