The Rose Bowl Thread

[Damaramu 0]

Man Leinart sure doesn't want to give Texas much credit in these interviews.

[The Robfather 0]

Matt is a prick. Listening to his bs on ESPN right now.

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

Leinart is the next Ryan Leaf.

[jwpeer 0]

His size makes him harder to bring down, but it also makes him a bigger target with players that simply do not miss tackles. Sean Taylor or Ed Reed would kill him.

 

As I said earlier, much of Texas success is due to the horrible adjustment to the zone read play by USC, in addition to their poor recovery speed.

I don't really think it was poor coaching, but that they have jack shit at corner and linebacker.

 

 

 

True...it's not so much the coaching as the ability of the players to a. make the correct reads. b. to make any type of athletic play.

 

That last play just pissed me off so much from an unbiased observer's standpoint. They'd been getting burnt ALL NIGHT LONG with the flood receivers to the left roll left run back right zone read thing, and yet ALL of USC's players ran that direction. Just mind-boggling.

[2GOLD 0]

Going into the season most, if not all of us, said the downfall of USC would be the defense. And that's exactly what it was. The defense just couldn't make tackles and it killed them. That missed int didn't help either.

[snuffbox 0]

Wisconsin should be considered for top20 status. The beating down of Auburn and a possible Heisman run by Brian Calhoun are really good...but there will be questions about the new head coach. I think Bret Bielema will do fine in a fairly paint-by-numbers system.

[teke184 0]

Here's my top 5 for next year..

 

1.) Texas

2.) Ohio State

3.) Notre Dame (if Quinn stays)

4.) USC (moves up to 2 if White stays)

5.) Miami

 

I can't see Miami being in the top 5 after that clunker they put up against LSU. I'd actually put West Virginia up in the 5th spot since they don't lose much and White and Slaton are both back.

 

The only knock I can put on West Virginia would be that their offense seemed somewhat one-dimensional from what I watched. Lots of runs, very few passes.

 

Not sure they should start out as a Top 5 team but, Big East schedules being what they are, they've certainly got what it takes to end the year there.

[2GOLD 0]

Leinart is the next Ryan Leaf.

 

No way!

Ryan had a much stronger arm than him. He's the next Tim Couch.

[Guest bigm350]

If Vince stays, Texas will be the preseason #1 for next year. Who else do you see being in the top 5 to start next year?

I'm going like this.

 

IF VINCE STAYS

1. Texas

2. Michigan

3. Ohio State

4. Notre Dame

5. Miami

 

He's gone, we'll push LSU to 5th. USC will be at 10th unless Bush comes back, if he does they'll be 6th or 7th.

 

Vince Young will be the next Randall Cunningham.

Cause his ill advised cross field shit will be easy picks in the NFL, his speed will be controlled, and most of the NFL players don't fall for that shutter juke shit anymore since Vick showed up.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

 

 

Everybody looks good on your list except Michigan. Unless they get rid of Lloyd Carr, Michigan will keep sliding closer to mediocrity, which is inexcusable for all the talent they have, year after year.

[naiwf 0]

Vick has great God given ability, as he's the best running back ever to play QB, but his decision making sucks. He's a winner for the most part, but not a championship caliber QB and most importantly his greatest weapon exposes him to injury far more frequently than necessary. Back to Vince, I've never seen him think his way out of a bad situation, he just has the speed to outrun collegiate D-Linemen and horribly out of place LB's. He lowered his shoulder going into a handful of tackles tonight in situations he didn't need to since he wasn't going for the goal line or the yardsticks, and if he tries that in the NFL he'll spend a lot of time on IR when 300+ pounders chase him down from behind and the Lewis' and Urlacher's of the world actually get clean shots on him.

 

Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |

+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

| 2001 atl | 8 | 50 113 44.2 785 6.9 2 3 | 29 300 1 |

| 2002 atl | 15 | 231 421 54.9 2936 7.0 16 8 | 113 777 8 |

| 2003 atl | 5 | 50 100 50.0 585 5.8 4 3 | 40 255 1 |

| 2004 atl | 15 | 181 321 56.4 2313 7.2 14 12 | 120 902 3 |

| 2005 atl | 15 | 214 387 55.3 2412 6.2 15 13 | 101 610 6 |

+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

| TOTAL | 58 | 726 1342 54.1 9031 6.7 51 39 | 403 2844 19

[Damaramu 0]

So where does Bush go from here? Is the hype for him being one of the best players in college football and one of the best players in the world go away? The man still had a hell of a season.

What was the play of the game for you guys?

I think that INT on the goal line was amazing personally.

[Guest bigm350]

So, who will be the better NFL QB, Leinart or Young?

[Guest]

Leinart is the next Ryan Leaf.

Did Ryan Leaf really do anything in college? I've gotta know.

 

True...it's not so much the coaching as the ability of the players to a. make the correct reads. b. to make any type of athletic play.

 

That last play just pissed me off so much from an unbiased observer's standpoint. They'd been getting burnt ALL NIGHT LONG with the flood receivers to the left roll left run back right zone read thing, and yet ALL of USC's players ran that direction. Just mind-boggling.

It's just lack of talent. In all honesty, I'm shocked that they even got this far riding these defensive players. The linebackers lacked in size, which is something that you must have when facing Vince Young. He'll never have a game half this good in the NFL.

 

Everybody looks good on your list except Michigan. Unless they get rid of Lloyd Carr, Michigan will keep sliding closer to mediocrity, which is inexcusable for all the talent they have, year after year.

The preseason rankings are just based on talent, which is something that Michigan has in abundance. If Michael Hart wasn't hurt this season, I think they could have been in the top 5 quite easily.

 

So where does Bush go from here? Is the hype for him being one of the best players in college football and one of the best players in the world go away? The man still had a hell of a season.

This loss will drive him to become a better player.

Edited January 5, 2006 by Kingofthe909

[therealworldschampion 0]

PSU likely starts outside the top 10 next year. I think 8-4 next year, but 10-2 if they get some lucky breaks to go their way. They've got some people on defense to replace along with Robinson. They'll be an absolute monster in 2007 though.

 

Also consider LSU for the top 5 depending on who they lose to the draft and graduation.

[jwpeer 0]

Since we're doing top 5 lists...

 

 

My Top 5 at the END of next season...

 

 

1. Ohio State

2. Florida

3. Oregon

4. Alabama

5. Notre Dame

[Urban Warfare 0]

Fuck Matt Leinart and Fuck USC. I lost all kinds of respect for Leinart tonight.

[2GOLD 0]

So where does Bush go from here? Is the hype for him being one of the best players in college football and one of the best players in the world go away? The man still had a hell of a season.

 

Bush is still considered a great back and this game won't kill him unless he screws up in the combines. He can still do alot and if the only problem he has is mental, it's something he can work on with LT. I just think the hype, the pressure of his last game and the defense being completely focused on him was too much.

[therealworldschampion 0]

If Vince stays, Texas will be the preseason #1 for next year. Who else do you see being in the top 5 to start next year?

I'm going like this.

 

IF VINCE STAYS

1. Texas

2. Michigan

3. Ohio State

4. Notre Dame

5. Miami

 

He's gone, we'll push LSU to 5th. USC will be at 10th unless Bush comes back, if he does they'll be 6th or 7th.

 

Vince Young will be the next Randall Cunningham.

Cause his ill advised cross field shit will be easy picks in the NFL, his speed will be controlled, and most of the NFL players don't fall for that shutter juke shit anymore since Vick showed up.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

 

 

Everybody looks good on your list except Michigan. Unless they get rid of Lloyd Carr, Michigan will keep sliding closer to mediocrity, which is inexcusable for all the talent they have, year after year.

 

Michigan's schedule is a fucking nightmare next year. Road games at Notre Dame, Penn State, and Ohio State next year are not good considering how Lloyd has done in road games against tough teams.

[Damaramu 0]

Fuck Matt Leinart and Fuck USC. I lost all kinds of respect for Leinart tonight.

 

That made you lose all respect? I knew that USC was cocky so I figured they'd have a similar reaction.

[Guest bigm350]

If Young comes back, I would put Texas as number 1 to start next year. If he doesn't, I'd put Notre Dame, or Ohio Sate up there.

[jwpeer 0]

Vick has great God given ability, as he's the best running back ever to play QB, but his decision making sucks. He's a winner for the most part, but not a championship caliber QB and most importantly his greatest weapon exposes him to injury far more frequently than necessary. Back to Vince, I've never seen him think his way out of a bad situation, he just has the speed to outrun collegiate D-Linemen and horribly out of place LB's. He lowered his shoulder going into a handful of tackles tonight in situations he didn't need to since he wasn't going for the goal line or the yardsticks, and if he tries that in the NFL he'll spend a lot of time on IR when 300+ pounders chase him down from behind and the Lewis' and Urlacher's of the world actually get clean shots on him.

 

 

This is why I love Roethlisberger. He's not fast enough to think he can outrun anybody...but he is quick enough to make plays with his feet...and he's usually a great decision maker (Except for the game where he didn't realize he couldn't throw deep with his bad thumb).

[2GOLD 0]

So, who will be the better NFL QB, Leinart or Young?

 

Young will need to change his throwing style. Matt has zero mobility, doesn't seem to have the killer instinct that Palmer had and he takes too long to get his head into a game. Young because he has the ability to run and maybe he can adjust his throwing style. Although Matt gets a gold star for being able to adjust to the offensive coordinator change.

[Damaramu 0]

Can we hear from Texas? All they're doing is talking to USC and about USC. Sheesh.

 

So you think it was all mental for Reggie. He appeared to be shut down hard.

[Guest]

Once the pitch happened, Bush didn't seem like the same player, mentally and physically.

[Guest bigm350]

If Vince stays, Texas will be the preseason #1 for next year. Who else do you see being in the top 5 to start next year?

I'm going like this.

 

IF VINCE STAYS

1. Texas

2. Michigan

3. Ohio State

4. Notre Dame

5. Miami

 

He's gone, we'll push LSU to 5th. USC will be at 10th unless Bush comes back, if he does they'll be 6th or 7th.

 

Vince Young will be the next Randall Cunningham.

Cause his ill advised cross field shit will be easy picks in the NFL, his speed will be controlled, and most of the NFL players don't fall for that shutter juke shit anymore since Vick showed up.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

 

 

Everybody looks good on your list except Michigan. Unless they get rid of Lloyd Carr, Michigan will keep sliding closer to mediocrity, which is inexcusable for all the talent they have, year after year.

 

Michigan's schedule is a fucking nightmare next year. Road games at Notre Dame, Penn State, and Ohio State next year are not good considering how Lloyd has done in road games against tough teams.

 

 

Which is at least another guaranteed three loss season. Its sad, because Michigan has the talent to play with anybody in the nation, yet always are out of the national championship picture not even a month into the season. I attribute that to shitty coaching. I mean losing to Nebraska and Bill Callahan? Fuckin' pathetic.

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

ESPN with a glaring mistake, listing the Nebraska-Florida championship game as 1996 rather than 1995.

[Slayer 0]

Leinart is the next Ryan Leaf.

LEAVE ME ALONE, ALLRIGHT!

[Slayer 0]

ESPN with a glaring mistake, listing the Nebraska-Florida championship game as 1996 rather than 1995.

Well, technically the game was in '96, even though it was for the '95 season.

 

This is the kind of confusion that comes with having your season crossover a calendar year

[UZI Suicide 0]

I wouldn't exactly say Reggie was shut down. He had 13 carries for 82 yards and a TD. Any RB would be more then happy with that in 13 carries. He just didn't get the ball in his hands enough.

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

ESPN with a glaring mistake, listing the Nebraska-Florida championship game as 1996 rather than 1995.

Well, technically the game was in '96, even though it was for the '95 season.

 

This is the kind of confusion that comes with having your season crossover a calendar year

 

True enough, in fact they are all that way. So I retract my previous statement. For some reason that's just the one I noticed.