Video of JFK gettin shot

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Got the link to this video off digg.com.

 

Check it out cause it's crazy...back and to the left I see.

 

http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/KF/0512/zapruder_stable.mov

[Guest Duke_The_Dog]

Is this new or just the Zapruder film?

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From the article I read, the zapruder film was a bit hard to see or sum'n like that so this is supposed to be a better version of it. I've never seen the original though so I can't compare.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Geez I guess I've never seen the whole video. I don't recall it being that graphic. Or maybe the clips I've seen on TV for so many years have been sanitized a bit.

[Guest Arnold_OldSchool]

Richard Belzner's book covers alot of the theories around this murder.

 

Lee Harvey Oswald had doubles in various parts of the world. LHO also had ties to Jack Ruby. He's listed as 3 different heights on official documents (with like 6 inches difference) He was probably actually killed by the police men who carried him away after being shot, as they compressed his chest trying to get him to breath and it just forced the blood away from vital organs etc etc

Edited January 5, 2006 by Arnold_OldSchool

[Guest Arnold_OldSchool]

There was photos from both JFK and RFK's murders that were taken by the CIA or what ever from bystanders and were never seen publically again. This helps make people think CONSPIRACY. Bush's crew did the same thing post 9/11, taking video tape from a nearby store and never revealing what can be seen.

[Guest Arnold_OldSchool]

DOUBLE POST!

Edited January 5, 2006 by Arnold_OldSchool

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Certainly seems to put serious doubt in the "single bullet" theory and/or single shooter, as you see JFK motion towards his throat while both Connolly (sp?) and Jackie O turn towards him (probably the shot that struck Connolly, shot from behind JFK), followed by the kill shot to JFK's skull (shot from in front, at a lower angle).

[AboveAverage484 0]

I've always supported the theory that the mafia was involved in the death of the Kennedys as well as Marilyn Monroe.

[Mole 0]

Damn, that was awesome.

 

But what was Jackie O doing?

[Guest Arnold_OldSchool]

Reaching for brains?

[Guest Arnold_OldSchool]

Whats required to view it, it won't work for me?

[Cartman 0]

Quicktime

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Yeah I wondered why JFK grabbed at his throat right before the shot to the head. Was he shot before the head shot?

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Yes, Kennedy was struck by two of the three bullets that Oswalt fired.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

HOLY SHIT.

[Nighthawk 0]

I've heard it contended that the throat grabbing was from his being struck by pavement chips from a missed shot. Of course, his killed, Oswald or no, was a damn good shot, and not likely to miss.

RFK seems more like a conspiracy than JFK.

[Boon 0]

I dont know much about RFK's death- what was the deal there?

[Vampiro69 0]

Sirhan Sirhan shot him in a hotel that I believe is supposed to be torn down soon or already has been. I am sure others can go into more detail on this since the specifics escape me at the moment.

Edited January 7, 2006 by Vampiro69

[Nighthawk 0]

The Ambassador. The conspiracy has to do with the autopsy report showing that he had to have been shot from no more than a few inches, whereas Sirhan was a couple feet in front of him. Also, the fatal shot appears to have been fired from behind him, or to the side. Sirhan confessed but says he has no recollection of the shooting. A bunch of people said evidence was confiscated.

Not that I'm hardcore on an RFK conspiracy, but it seems more likely than JFK. The official story on the JFK assasinaion pretty much makes sense on the surface, despite what some say.

[yankovic fan 0]

I don't trust anyone with the same first name as the last name.

[haws bah gawd 0]

Is there another link available for this? The other link is dead.

[CBright7831 0]

Everytime I watched that video, I couldn't help but notice that a main raises what looks to something in his hand at the exact time Kennedy. Now am I saying it was a gun? No, but I just happened to notice it.

[Guest BobBacklundRules]

I think it's interesting that you can pick out the exact timing of the three shots. The first happens when the governor’s head snaps to the right (hearing the rifle shot), the second happens right as the car comes into view behind the sign (when JFK gets shot in the throat and the governor turns around after being struck by the bullet), and the third takes off the top of JFK's head.

 

I can't imagine being in that car and watching that. How horrible must it have been to be Jackie and have your first thought be "grab that piece of skull".

[Guest Arnold_OldSchool]

Everytime I watched that video, I couldn't help but notice that a main raises what looks to something in his hand at the exact time Kennedy. Now am I saying it was a gun? No, but I just happened to notice it.

 

 

The conspiracy theorist call him the Umbrella man. He opens and closes his umbrella quickly right before JFK gets blasted. Some people claimed he had a gun in his umbrella tip and was the assassian. Seriously for a quick yet throughoverview of all the JFK stuff, read Richard Belzner's book.

[Guest Arnold_OldSchool]

The Ambassador. The conspiracy has to do with the autopsy report showing that he had to have been shot from no more than a few inches, whereas Sirhan was a couple feet in front of him. Also, the fatal shot appears to have been fired from behind him, or to the side. Sirhan confessed but says he has no recollection of the shooting. A bunch of people said evidence was confiscated.

Not that I'm hardcore on an RFK conspiracy, but it seems more likely than JFK. The official story on the JFK assasinaion pretty much makes sense on the surface, despite what some say.

 

 

A photo journalist took pictures from the top of a ledge in the kitchen and claimed he caught the murder on film. He was chased out of the room by suited men who took his film and by the time he got it back, the pictures in question were gone. (It took years and a lawsuit IIRC)

[Guest Arnold_OldSchool]

Yes, Kennedy was struck by two of the three bullets that Oswalt fired.

 

I'm pretty sure its been said Oswald couldn't have shot that gun 3 times in that amount of time. Impossible time wise.

[Guest Arnold_OldSchool]

One Phillip Willis took a series of 12 photos of Dealey Plaza, where Kennedy was shot, in the minutes before and after the assassination. Mr. Willis' photos and testimony before the Commission appear in the report. He was not questioned about the eighth photo, a shot of the Book Depository entrance shortly after the shooting. As Willis later pointed out, one of the men in the photo "looks so much like (Jack Ruby), it's pitiful". F.B.I. agents questioning Willis agreed with him that the man bore a powerful resemblance to Ruby. When Willis mentioned this to the Commission, no interest was shown. When the photo was published in the Warren Report, a considerable part of the Ruby lookalike's face had been cropped away.

 

While the President's autopsy was underway at Bethesda Naval Hospital, federal agents removed the X-rays of the body from custody of the examining doctors. Though the X-rays undoubtedly would have been valuable in determining trajectories of the bullets hitting the President, and thus the shooter's location, they are neither published nor alluded to in the Warren Report. Thoughtfully, the Commission did provide in its report a dental chart made for Jack Ruby's mother 25 years before the assassination, as well as a detailed physical analysis of three of Oswald's pubic hairs.

 

The Umbrella Man

Was this fellow, standing in Dealey Plaza with an open umbrella and no rain in sight part of some conspiracy? The House Select Committee on Assassinations located the Umbrella Man -- a fellow named Louis Witt who was engaged in a somewhat obscure form of political protest. Here are two graphics, one showing Louis Witt's umbrella being opened before the House Select Committee on Assassinations, to the general merriment of all assembled. The second shows the Umbrella Man's umbrella in the Zapruder film in Dealey Plaza. Both of these images are video captures from the NOVA documentary. Here is the first one, and here is the second. Some conspiratorialists claim that the umbrellas are different, having a different number of spokes. Decide for yourself.

 

What was the point of the umbrella in Dealey Plaza? Apparently it was an attempt to heckle Kennedy with a reminder of the appeasement policies of British Prime Minister Nevill Chamberlain, whose weak posture toward Hitler was supported by Kennedy's father. Sounds pretty obscure to us today. But this 1930s British cartoon links the umbrella (Chamberlain's trademark) with weakness toward Nazism.

 

One of the more bizarre theories about The Umbrella man comes from Robert Cutler. Cutler claimed that the umbrella was a weapon firing a flechette (poisoned dart) that hit Kennedy in the throat, paralyzing Kennedy to set him up for the head shot

 

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dealey.htm

 

Good overview site

[Guest Arnold_OldSchool]

Damn, that was awesome.

 

But what was Jackie O doing?

 

Apparently she was trying to steady herself:

 

 

 

As the president reacts to being shot, Mrs. Kennedy seems to have half a smile on her face as she reaches up and puts her hands on the his left arm. Mrs. Kennedy looks away from her husband as she glances towards Governor Connally, (who has also just been wounded), then briefly looks back at the president. She then turns and focuses her attention on the governor, who is now yelling "Oh no, no, no!". Mrs. Kennedy remains transfixed upon him for the next few seconds. She then turns back towards the president and leans over to look either into his face, or at his neck when he is struck by a bullet in the head. As his head explodes, she reacts by looking at the massive head wound on the top, right side of his head. By reading her lip movement, she cries out what appears to be "Oh my God!". She appears to be attempting to stop her mortally wounded husband from slamming against the seat cushion, by bringing her right arm up and over his left shoulder. She places her arm and hand around his shoulder and neck. As she stands up from her seat, the car accelerates. She frantically places both of her hands on the back of her husband's lifeless head. Mrs. Kennedy begins to panic, and as she rises from the seat, pushes his head away as she abruptly exited the rear of the vehicle. She's gradually thrust rearward, landing her left elbow on the heavily polished slick enamel surface of the trunk lid. She appears to slide a couple of inches as she tries to regain her balance with her right (white gloved) hand (mistakenly thought to be her "reaching for something") which also contributed to her sliding motion due to the cotton gloves against the polished surface of the limousine. When Clint Hill reaches for her, she turns around to look into the back seat of the car. As she does this, Hill puts his right hand on her right shoulder, then moved his hand to her forearm near the elbow and pulled her arm out from under her. This caused her to topple back into the seat. She stretched out her left arm to catch herself and she suddenly disappears into the seat compartment. From this point on until the limousine disappears into the underpass, all we see is the pink pillbox hat and the shoulders of Mrs. Kennedy.

[Guest Wart]

Is this up on any other site? The link in the original post doesn't work anymore.

 

Edit: Nevermind.