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[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

How long would a triple threat Survivor Series Match take?

 

Spec on rosters:

 

RAW: HHH/HBK/Edge/Orton/Umaga

Smackdown: Lashley/Benoit/Kane/Finlay/Terkay

ECW: Big Show/RVD/Sabu/Tommy Dreamer/Mike Knox

 

ECW definitely needs Show/Sabu/RVD..dreamer would get a nod and Mike Knox just because hes better than other options (Bob Holly, Kevin Thorn, Matt Striker) as the other heel member.

 

Im assuming Booker vs Batista and Cena vs ?? for a title which would exclude them from the match. Pairing DX with Edge/Orton gives the "can they co-exist?" angle (And allows Orton the possibility of being the Survivor again)..and Umaga just because. Smackdown is sort of up in the air..Id say the front 4 are locks..Im also betting on Taker vs Kennedy keeping either from being in the match..Chavo could be the last spot too but Im going with Terkay to get him some exposure similar to what they did with Lashley last year.

[The Amazing Rando 0]

They could go an hour with a match like that... unless they have the teammates purposely causing their partners eliminations (Orton RKOing HBK or HHH, Show attacking RVD or vice versa....shit like that) with rapid succession to drop it down to like 45 minutes.

[Dandy 0]

It won't matter

which belt the fans put on the line, because this match will de a no contest---or something similar---and is simply there to set up the Survivor Series Main Event, which will be these three captaining teams from their respective shows. And it won't be 5 on 5 on 5. It will be 3 on 3 on 3 like they spoiled earlier.

[Guest Hotbutter Spoontoaster]

Friday News Update:

The Marine debuts tonight. The reason there haven't been many reviews is because it wasn't screened for critics. Generally that is the sign that the people producing the movie don't have much confidence in it as far as being a good movie, and don't want the public to hear anything until after the first weekend. Ironically, the few reviews I have seen have been decent. Within the industry, it is predicted to open at No. 6 or No. 7, doing between $6 million and $8 million. Predictions are also that it will take a major tumble in week two, which means it has to open a lot bigger than those predictions or it's a significant financial flop. I expect it to beat those numbers (See No Evil did considerably better than most projections and this has been hyped a lot more), but it had better beat those numbers by a big margin. Production costs ended up being more than $23 million and that's not including advertising costs. It will not make money on its theatrical release, but if it doesn't get within striking distance, and that's $25-30 million on the domestic, this will be a significant loser. This was a lot more expensive than See No Evil and they spent far more in marketing. We're looking for your thoughts on the movie if you see it.

 

Saturday News Update:

The Marine is estimated as doing $2.25 million in business last night, opening at No. 6. Right now it's falling at the low end of projections, with last night indicating about a $6.5 million weekend. This is a big loser as it appears Cena drew nobody, except his usual wrestling fan base.

[Scroby 0]

Supposed Cyber Sunday plans from PWInsider:

 

The current plan for the 11/5 Cyber Sunday PPV main event is to feature a fan ballot to determine which of the WWE championships will be on the line - the WWE World title, the ECW World title, or the WWE championship - in the "Champion of Champions" match featuring Big Show vs. John Cena vs. King Booker. This may be the planned announcement for this Monday's Raw by Vince McMahon.

 

Also scheduled for the PPV is Jeff Hardy defending the WWE Intercontinental championship, with the fans deciding his challenger among Johnny Nitro, Shelton Benjamin, Carlito, Super Crazy, and Chris Masters.

 

Local advertising in the Cincinnati market also lists Ric Flair, DX, Vince McMahon, The Spirit Squad, Edge, Lita, Randy Orton, Rob Van Dam, Batista, Sabu, and William Regal for Cyber Sunday.

 

I'm hoping for either Shelton or Crazy against Jeff Hardy. For the main event, if the ECW or Smackdown title is picked, I wouldn't be surprised if Cena goes over and gets one of their titles. The way I look at it, its two heels going against Cena. So if Cena goes over on Booker T or Big Show, and gets their title, it won't be much of a shocker, more of a let down. If its the Raw title, Booker T or the Big Show won't win that one.

[slimm44 0]

Thats a stupid stip for the Main Event of CS..really..

 

My guess is, whichever title wins the fan ballot will be the one that wins so that no title changes hands..cause that would really mess things up a lot, and honestly I dont think it matters a bit who wins. Although..LOL @ the thought of Cena winning the ECW title...thats probably what will happen.

 

and since it is a RAW PPV, chances of the wwe belt being put up, are pretty good

[Dandy 0]

After reading Spoontoaster's post, I change my stance on The Marine's chances. I still stick with it bringing in $15 mil, but I though the $23 million budget was all-inclusive. It will probably do well in overseas markets that are big on WWE, and it will most likely do good on DVD, but it will still lose money. With as much as this thing has been advertised, it has to be WAY over $30 million all-inclusive.

[Guest Hotbutter Spoontoaster]

Supposed Cyber Sunday plans from PWInsider:

 

The current plan for the 11/5 Cyber Sunday PPV main event is to feature a fan ballot to determine which of the WWE championships will be on the line - the WWE World title, the ECW World title, or the WWE championship - in the "Champion of Champions" match featuring Big Show vs. John Cena vs. King Booker. This may be the planned announcement for this Monday's Raw by Vince McMahon.

 

Also scheduled for the PPV is Jeff Hardy defending the WWE Intercontinental championship, with the fans deciding his challenger among Johnny Nitro, Shelton Benjamin, Carlito, Super Crazy, and Chris Masters.

 

Local advertising in the Cincinnati market also lists Ric Flair, DX, Vince McMahon, The Spirit Squad, Edge, Lita, Randy Orton, Rob Van Dam, Batista, Sabu, and William Regal for Cyber Sunday.

Full Cyber Sunday card, (supposedly):

 

Someone who bought tickets at the US Bank Arena got a flier with the

Cyber Sunday card listed. Heres what is on the card, (Subject to Change):

 

6-team Tag Turmoil Championship Match

Spirit Squad © vs Cade/Murdoch vs Highlanders vs Cryme Time vs Haas/Viscera vs Venis/Snitsky

Fans Vote: Select the 2 members of the Spirit Squad who will compete

 

Grudge Match Carlito vs Umaga

Fans Choose Location: Parking Lot; Locker Room; Boiler Room

 

Women's Championship Tournament Final Mickie James vs Lita

Fans Choose Special Referee: Victoria; Candice; Maria; Torrie or Melina

 

Intercontinental Championship Jeff Hardy © vs Fan's Choice

Fans Choose: Super Crazy; Chris Masters; Johnny Nitro; Shelton Benjamin

 

Special Challenge Match Jonathan Coachman vs Eugene

Fans choose: Arm-wrestling match; Sumo match; Boxing match

 

Three Strikes (You're Out!) Tag Team Match

D-Generation X vs Randy Orton and Edge

1st Strike: Pinfall

2nd Strike: Submission

3rd Strike: (Fans Choose Tables Match, I Quit Match, Last Team Standing Match

To win, the teams have to earn each 1 of these falls in order. If DX loses, they are fired.

 

Triple Champion Lumberjack Match

John Cena vs King Booker vs Big Show

Fans Choose Lumberjacks: Raw; SD; or ECW Extremists

[CanadianChris 0]

Someone who bought tickets at the US Bank Arena got a flier with the

Cyber Sunday card listed. Heres what is on the card, (Subject to Change):

Three Strikes (You're Out!) Tag Team Match

D-Generation X vs Randy Orton and Edge

1st Strike: Pinfall

2nd Strike: Submission

3rd Strike: (Fans Choose Tables Match, I Quit Match, Last Team Standing Match

To win, the teams have to earn each 1 of these falls in order. If DX loses, they are fired.

Nice to see they're jobbing Edge and Orton out to DX right away. I hate that stipulation, especially when applied to someone like HHH, because you know that's never going to happen. Interesting match concept, though.

[Dandy 0]

That match will take forever, especially if it's I Quit for the third.

[The Amazing Rando 0]

Not really... i suspect Edge/Orton will get the pinfall portion (Edge pinning HBK probably) and then DX will proceed to win the next three falls in fairly decent time...and you know the fans will probably vote Tables anyway (i suspect DX will even "shill" for it)

[Dandy 0]

They are not in the match, Rando. Re-read that again.

[The Amazing Rando 0]

Stupid me... editted for accuracy, but the point stands on who will win and how.

[Guest netslob]

Dave Scherer reports that starting soon the ECW brand will no longer be treated as a seperate company but rather as the 3rd brand of the WWE. Little minor changes such as the women swtiching from being called Vixens to Divas and the males from Extremists to Superstars will take place. There has also been some discussion about removing the ECW logo from the screen and replacing it with the WWE logo. Alot of this is Kevin Dunn's doing. He thinks the fans are confused and don't realise that ECW is a part of the WWE and he says thats the reason for the low ratings. Also expect the product to be toned down alot. Vince McMahon is not a fan of hardcore wrestling and he hated the RVD vs Test match.

 

Credit: Gerweck.net

 

 

swell. yeah, the fans are confused about ECW being under the WWE umbrella...despite various acknowledged WWE talent (Booker, DX, Taker, Flair, etc.) being featured quite prominently on the show. what-the-fuck-ever. they don't give the fans a whole hell of a lot of credit, do they?

 

yeah, make it as homogeneously similar as Raw and SD as you can, christ forbid any show have an identity of it's own (well aside from RAW, of course, that quite obviously has the identity of being The DX Show "starring DX" and "co-starring everyone who isn't DX"). i give it maybe til the end of the year where the only ECW Original whose left is RVD. and he'll be booked into oblivion.

 

i hope Dunn gags a little on McMahon's cock and tosses his cookies in his lap, maybe that'll get him fired.

[10 Pounds 0]

The spoiler tag sure gets used a lot

 

 

As for the "ECW low ratings are due to the lack of WWE identity", you just know it's all BS. That kind of excuse is used a lot and is its now a typical reaction from WWE : the problem is never because of the quality of the programs, it's the fans 'cause they're too dumb. How did the ratings dropped from the first show to the second one ? A full point ? Well, that's clearly because fans were expecting a WWE-style show and not the vintage ECW style in which the first show was presented.

[BUTT 0]

Marine made 7 million this weekend.

[Atticus Chaos 0]

According to KNBC in Los Angeles, producer Joel Simon is saying that there's another John Cena film project scheduled for 2007. Simon expects the project start shooting after WrestleMania 23.

 

prowrestling.com

 

 

 

Looks like the Marine 2 might be on it's way.

[Kizzo 0]

Marine made 7 million this weekend.

 

Can we say FLOP?!!

 

The movie cost 23 million to make, which doesnt' include advertising dollars.

[snuffbox 0]

They advertised that movie pretty heavily, too.

[Art Sandusky 0]

Dave Scherer reports that starting soon the ECW brand will no longer be treated as a seperate company but rather as the 3rd brand of the WWE. Little minor changes such as the women swtiching from being called Vixens to Divas and the males from Extremists to Superstars will take place. There has also been some discussion about removing the ECW logo from the screen and replacing it with the WWE logo. Alot of this is Kevin Dunn's doing. He thinks the fans are confused and don't realise that ECW is a part of the WWE and he says thats the reason for the low ratings. Also expect the product to be toned down alot. Vince McMahon is not a fan of hardcore wrestling and he hated the RVD vs Test match.

 

Credit: Gerweck.net

This is way more important than how well the damn movie did, as well as many other things.

 

Come on guys, priorities.

[TheTomster 0]

I was suppose to go see this movie Friday night but my bro wouldn't take me[it sucks bein 13] but I think I'm goin to see it eithier Thursday or Friday

[Scroby 0]

Dave Scherer reports that starting soon the ECW brand will no longer be treated as a seperate company but rather as the 3rd brand of the WWE. Little minor changes such as the women swtiching from being called Vixens to Divas and the males from Extremists to Superstars will take place. There has also been some discussion about removing the ECW logo from the screen and replacing it with the WWE logo. Alot of this is Kevin Dunn's doing. He thinks the fans are confused and don't realise that ECW is a part of the WWE and he says thats the reason for the low ratings. Also expect the product to be toned down alot. Vince McMahon is not a fan of hardcore wrestling and he hated the RVD vs Test match.

 

Credit: Gerweck.net

This is way more important than how well the damn movie did, as well as many other things.

 

Come on guys, priorities.

I'm just wondering if Dunn is lobbying for it to change or if it'll actually happen.

[The Amazing Rando 0]

It'll probably happen.

 

There are just so many problems with the way the company is ran, that it's becoming almost unbearable to hear this kind of news. The entire IDEA behind professional wrestling or sports entertainment has always had the potential to be one of the more innovative genres/niches on television, because it can connect with the crowd more than almost all other fictional shows.

 

It's just, what with the politics, the leadership problems, the egos, and the fact that Vince is spiraling ever more rapidly downward that is making it increasing harder to do anything to change the way the rest of the population looks at it. It's back to being a joke again, and the more things fall apart the tougher it will be to get it away from that.

 

 

I don't think I've ever seen someone care so little about the people that make him all his money. Kevin Dunn doesn't make Vince his money. Johnny Ace doesn't make Vince his money. Michael Hayes doesn't make Vince his money. Hell, at this point most of the WRESTLERS don't make Vince his money. There are two things that make Vince his money...

 

1) Habit.

2) "The Show"

 

Alot of people that watched during the last boom are long gone, leaving behind a small group of the big big fans that were created during the boom and the diehards that were around long before it. Vince is hardly creating alot of new fans outside of the occasional 13 year old boy that might find it a good way to see scantily clad women on free TV.

 

"The Show" is basically my way of saying that while alot of the wrestlers by themselves might not be drawing well on their own, putting a dozen mediocre draws on a show gets a dozen small groups of people watching rather than one uber-draw pulling around a whole audience with him that might leave should the one person they cheer for leave as well.

 

Sorry to say, but guys like the Rock and Steve Austin had HUGE fanbases, alot of which left when they did or lost interest in them when their appearances became less and less frequent. It might not have been completely Vince's fault, but he was left without much of a backup plan thanks to burials and politics.

 

Also, Vince seems to have lost his touch when it comes to "creating stars". He his incredibly hit-or-miss when he tries to book a wrestler into the next big thing, and usually he fails unless the wrestler in question either gets lucky and is booked perfectly (like Edge) or has talent/charisma (Lesnar) or has been a long-standing proven guy that is just waiting for a breakout moment (Benoit/Eddy) or gets a decent rub off a top guy (Batista). King Booker, as much as everyone enjoys his antics, is basically a comedy world champion (much like JBL sort of was at the beginning of his run) and Cena just feels like he is dead in the water with the majority of wrestling fans (barring the usual women/children thing).

 

Vince will be hard-pressed to find new female fans sitting through his shows just to stare at Batista or John Cena for a few minutes. There needs to be dramatic overhauls done from top to bottom. The fanbase might be fairly steady now, and has basically levelled off in the past year or two, but you can tell he is not happy with that. You can tell he longs for the days of ratings in the 6s.

 

As long as he keeps raising the prices of his PPVs and merchandise, he'll never really see a HUGE decline in his profits, but I'm beginning to think that is what it's going to take for him to really get with it.

 

The fans make Vince his money, and as long as he has dollar bills shoved in his ears and dollar signs over his eyes, he isn't going to listen to, see, or care about what the fans think of his product.

[randomguy 0]

It is hilarious when you look back at Styles' rant about ECW vs. WWE, "superstars" instead of "wrestlers", etc. A total bait-and-switch at this point.

 

Does it occur to them that by calling it ECW people except and ECW show, and that was originally the entire POINT of starting up ECW again?

[Scroby 0]

That was going to be the point Randomguy, but right before ECW got on tv, either someone or people got into Vince's head or Vince lost faith in ECW being able to draw in new fans and got scared and decided to add in the WWE element into their shows and the One Night Stand ppv. ECW could be a success..or at least draw a decent audience but their are to many heads in the back that don't think ECW could succed without having the WWE element and continue to talk Vince into using the WWE element in the shows. The only people who think ECW could succed without using the WWE element is Heyman and most of the wrestlers or ummm "Superstars". Plus NBC egging Vince on to use Raw and Smackdown wrestlers on ECW isn't helping as well.

[BUTT 0]

wwe.com is reporting that Austin is at the tapings tonight.

[chaosrage 0]

There's a taping tonight?

[Human Fly 0]

They have been treating ECW as the 3rd brand for a while now. Cyber Sunday is being billed as the battle of the 3 champions. Not the 2 WWE champions and 1 ECW champ.

 

If I remember correctly ECW on TNN was doing about what TNA is doing now. They are doing almost double that now. What do they want to be doing?

 

Also, I think the show only being live once every month or so now has something to do with the drop in ratings. If they are going to tape the show, they might as well do it every 3 or 4 weeks and in an ECW location. (Kind of beating a dead horse, I know.)

[Lil' Bitch 0]

What the fuck was WWE expecting? The Marine was up against The Grudge 2 and Robin Williams. No way in Hell was it going to be any kind of "success". Marketing, promotions, whoever fucked up big time. They should have released this movie a year ago or at least last month when wasn't any real competition at the box office.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

wwe.com is reporting that Austin is at the tapings tonight.

 

coughthecondemnedcough

 

John Cena is yesterday's news..get ready for 3 months of "Steve Austin is The Condemned - coming soon to a theatre near you!"