De La Hoya vs Mayweather

[theintensifier]

This is why I try to avoid subjects like this. I wasn't saying all black people are loud and obnoxious, but alot of the professional athletes we see on tv are. Yes, Mayweather backed up what he was saying, but is it really necessary in the sport of boxing? In the last few years they've been stripping the sport of its classiness and respect with their putrageous press conferences and sports entertainment antics. People like Tyson are a prime example of that. De La Hoya was being respectful from everything I've seen, and Mayweather brought the disrespect and antics to the fight.

[snuffbox]

Someone isn't familiar with the history of boxing. At all.

[Guest]

Considering that boxing needs all the attention it can get, it's acceptable. Someone always has to be the bad guy, what interest is there in seeing both guys act like Oscar does and give all the fake bullshit nice guy answers.

 

Floyd's antics made me want to buy the fight more. The Lewis-Tyson press conference where Tyson went nuts made people want to buy the fight more. Just the way it is.

[theintensifier]

I know what you're saying. I'm just an old fashioned kind of guy, and respect skill and records over bad blood and whatever.

[RonL21]

I know what you're saying. I'm just an old fashioned kind of guy, and respect skill and records over bad blood and whatever.

old fashioned? Muhammad Ali was trash talking in the 60s.... and to use basketball....it's a well known fact that Larry Bird was one of the fiercest trash talkers..race has nothing to do w/ it....all that stuff in boxing is part of selling the fight

[EVIL~! alkeiper]

Intensifier, that's a dangerous statement to make. You're going to see brash, trash-talking athletes on tv because a guy sitting and not saying anything does not make exciting television. You can debate the merits of behavior, but in the media world we live in the guys who cause controversy are the ones who will get the coverage. I don't think it comes down to race at all.

[RonL21]

Intensifier, that's a dangerous statement to make. You're going to see brash, trash-talking athletes on tv because a guy sitting and not saying anything does not make exciting television. You can debate the merits of behavior, but in the media world we live in the guys who cause controversy are the ones who will get the coverage. I don't think it comes down to race at all.

Exactly...Look at John McEnroe and early 90s Agassi...Definition of Prickdom and arrogance...Especially McEnroe

[Black Lushus]

intensifier, check out A.J. Pierzynski ...white boy, BIG shit talker.

[Guest Queen Leelee]

Intensifier, that's a dangerous statement to make. You're going to see brash, trash-talking athletes on tv because a guy sitting and not saying anything does not make exciting television. You can debate the merits of behavior, but in the media world we live in the guys who cause controversy are the ones who will get the coverage. I don't think it comes down to race at all.

Exactly...Look at John McEnroe and early 90s Agassi...Definition of Prickdom and arrogance...Especially McEnroe

Andre never really insulted people... he was just an arrogant little cocksucker.

 

As for Mayweather:

 

1) It's boxing. Shit talking has always been a part of the sport.

2) Nobody really cares about him. Other than the boxing hardcore fan, they know nothing about him other than he's got a good boxing name, and he wins a lot.

3) He's 100% correct on his UFC comment. How many UFC guys are making $20 million for one fight? Yeah, it's something he didn't have to say, but wah wah.

[theintensifier]

Fedor > Mayweather

[The Niggardly King]

Mayweather draws more.

[theintensifier]

Yeah, because he fought De La Hoya. And, if MMA had the global spotlight boxing does, Fedor would draw just as much, if not more.

[KingPK]

3) He's 100% correct on his UFC comment. How many UFC guys are making $20 million for one fight? Yeah, it's something he didn't have to say, but wah wah.

 

That's more because Sleazy D is really cheap.

[The Niggardly King]

Yeah, because he fought De La Hoya. And, if MMA had the global spotlight boxing does, Fedor would draw just as much, if not more.

 

But Fedor, although the best in the world... has been a weak draw for Pride. I hope things change.

[Coffin Surfer]

"honestly though...when was the last time there was a credible white boxer to hold any black or latino down"

 

Someone doesn't follow the heavyweight or cruiserweight divisions.

 

Anyway, trash talking can a be a fine art form when done right; as well as good fun. Some fighters are bad at it and some are good, Ali was great outside of some the more bitter moments that went beyond just selling fight. It is sad when you see guys that are bad at it and they just come off as pathetic offensive morons that do more harm than good by opening their mouths, see Shannon Briggs and the "faggot" outburst.

[snuffbox]

Fedor > Mayweather

 

Not quite same weight class.

[Ripper]

I don't know. I think Tyson in his prime would have been a monster in MMA. Who would shoot on that guy with the reaction speed he had. Faster than any MMA'r and more powerful with deadly power on the inside. Yeah, you could take him if you get him to the ground, but fuck that.

 

I think the ability to get away with the pawing jab in Boxing but that shit will get you destroyed in MMA would hurt alot of boxers, but with proper training, i think a good number of them could do okay.

[Broward83]

Quick comments:

 

Fight was okay at best. I couldn't understand why Floyd wouldn't get Oscar into the middle of the ring and pound away at him since the few times he got Oscar into the middle, he'd tear him up and all Oscar would do was shell up or try to push to the ropes.

 

I had Floyd winning by 1-2 points on the night, I don't see how Oscar got a 115-112 win.

 

Lampley pissed me off. Granted, I'm more of an MMA fan than a boxing fan... but to hear Lampley pretty much destroy UFC/MMA as a whole after a less than stellar "saving the world of boxing" match-up turned me off of boxing and HBO. With the proposed UFC/HBO deal..the idea of Lampley calling fights for the UFC is scary.

[Black Lushus]

I'd imagine they'd get someone else to call the UFC fights.

[snuffbox]

I would assume the regular UFC crew would call the UFC fights.

 

Bernstein & Albert don't call the action for Showtime's mma stuff.

[Guest]

I think HBO would keep Goldberg and Rogan, but I also think that they would add Frank Trigg to the mix. Trigg's delivery while in studio on the PRIDE show is something that HBO loves. On point, in-depth analysis.

[snuffbox]

I wouldn't mind Goldberg/Rogan (and Couture when he's not busy) calling the action with Trigg/Glazer talking in between the fights.

[Your Paragon of Virtue]

HBO is using their own team so who knows who will be there. UFC is not doing the production.

 

Fedor>Mayweather is a really dumb thing to say, but after the black boxers comment why should I be surprised?

 

I really like PBF but I'm tired of him just picking shots. He seemed too unsure of himself to really let loose. I wanted to see more combinations, I think he was capable at times. It's too bad because he probably could have stopped Oscar.

 

Legitimate question: for those in the know, that don't hate on Oscar (one of my favourite boxers) do you think if he was in his prime he could've taken this fight? It seems that the reason for his slowing down had to do with him just not having the gas to keep up. I doubt that was due to lack of training for his conditioning, as he probably trained like a madman for the fight. But I assume it was due to the fact that he's old. If he had youth on his side would that have made a big difference? Will this tarnish Pretty Boy's win since Oscar was essentially over the hill?

[Guest Tzar Lysergic]

Legitimate question: for those in the know, that don't hate on Oscar (one of my favourite boxers) do you think if he was in his prime he could've taken this fight? It seems that the reason for his slowing down had to do with him just not having the gas to keep up. I doubt that was due to lack of training for his conditioning, as he probably trained like a madman for the fight. But I assume it was due to the fact that he's old. If he had youth on his side would that have made a big difference? Will this tarnish Pretty Boy's win since Oscar was essentially over the hill?

 

Possibly, leaning towards "no." Mayweather is just too damn good right now to let himself lose. The circumstances of the fight: Oscar having all the money in the world, Mayweather wanting to prove without a doubt he's the pfp best on the planet right now, and challenging at the highest weight class he's attempted yet meant this was Floyd's fight to win or lose.

 

I can't see how this hurts Floyd at all. He just beat an all-time great, moving up in weight, on the biggest boxing stage in years.

[snuffbox]

Oscar has actually seemed to get better with his conditioning as he's gotten older. Obviously that will have to change eventually but it does seem to be the case. He really struggled down the stretch against Quartey & Trinidad but since then he's stopped Vargas in the 11th and I felt the 11th was even and Oscar won the 12th on Saturday night.

If there's a rematch I dont think conditioning will be they key for Oscar, he has to stick with his jab.

[Guest]

I don't think that Oscar was going to win the fight if he stuck with his jab, but he had to stick with it to have a chance. He didn't, and he lost.

 

I think Floyd Sr's right on this one. If Floyd Sr. had trained Oscar for this fight, I think Oscar wins. I think Saturday was his chance to beat Floyd, even if they rematch. Most of the changes that Oscar could make would not be beneficial to his chances of beating Floyd. In all honesty, if Oscar doesn't go in there and throw those wild flurries, he loses the fight by another point, in my book. Regardless of whether or not the punches landed, which I don't think many of them did.

 

If they fought again, it would be a pretty even fight. But it would be one of those fights that even being even, you can't possibly see one of the fighters winning by decision. The one fighter in this case being Oscar.

 

I just saw Snuffy's scorecard. I do not know how you have Oscar winning the 4th round.

[Hunter's Torn Quad]

For those into numbers:

 

--de la Hoya vs. Mayweather did 2.15 million buys and grossed $120 million, making it the biggest event in the history of PPV. This number, which is far beyond even the most optimistic projections, points to the 24/7 show as the new gold standard in promoting an event.

[snuffbox]

Boxing is, like, so dead.

[Jaxxson Mayhem]

--de la Hoya vs. Mayweather did 2.15 million buys and grossed $120 million, making it the biggest event in the history of PPV. This number, which is far beyond even the most optimistic projections, points to the 24/7 show as the new gold standard in promoting an event.

 

 

Wow..............

[snuffbox]

Think about that...Oscar and PBF just did something that all the huge stars of the heavyweight division over the bast 15 years could not do. Holyfield, Bowe, Foreman, Tyson, Lewis, no combination topped 2 million buys. The two 154-pounders did it amidst the final breaths supposedly taken by the sport.

 

I'm going to guess that this will ensure a rematch & Tito Trinidad will stay retired.