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Depending on how the playoff picture looks after this week, I'll start sorting through regular-season tie-breakers. Don't forget the Thursday and Saturday games.

 

UPDATE: The deadline for Saturday's game is being moved up to 6 p.m. of that day because someone actually wants me over their house in a social capacity.

 

Minnesota at Green Bay (3.5)

(6.5) Kansas City at Oakland

Baltimore at Pittsburgh (3.5)

Carolina at Atlanta (6.5)

(4.5) Chicago at Detroit

(9.5) Indianapolis at Houston

New England at Jacksonville (2.5)

New Orleans at N.Y. Giants (3.5)

Tampa Bay at Cleveland (3.5)

Tennessee at Buffalo (4.5)

Washington at St. Louis (2.5)

Arizona at San Francisco (4.5)

Cincinnati at Denver (3.5)

(4.5) San Diego at Seattle

Philadelphia at Dallas (7.5)

N.Y. Jets at Miami (2.5)

 

Minnesota (Danville Wrestling 9-6) defeated Green Bay (Vitamin X 8-7) 10-2

MIN: GB/KC/BAL/ATL/CHI/IND/NE/NO/TB/TEN/WAS/SF/CIN/SD/PHI/NYJ/20

GB: XX/XX/PIT/ATL/CHI/IND/JAX/NYG/CLE/BUF/STL/SF/DEN/SD/DAL/MIA/EP

DIFF: KC/XX, BAL/PIT, NE/JAX, NO/NYG, TB/CLE, TEN/BUF, WAS/STL, CIN/DEN, PHI/DAL, NYJ/MIA, 20/EP

 

Kansas City (Alfdogg 8-6-1) defeated Oakland (Smues 8-7) 12-8

KC: GB/KC/BAL/CAR/CHI/IND/NE/NO/TB/TEN/STL/SF/CIN/SD/PHI/NYJ/27

OAK: GB/KC/PIT/ATL/CHI/IND/NE/NO/CLE/TEN/WAS/SF/CIN/SD/PHI/NYJ/12

DIFF: BAL/PIT, CAR/ATL, TB/CLE, STL/WAS, 27/12

 

Baltimore (King PK 6-8-1) defeated Pittsburgh (Kahran Ramsus 7-7-1) 9-6

BAL: GB/KC/BAL/CAR/CHI/IND/NE/NO/CLE/TEN/STL/SF/CIN/SD/DAL/MIA/20

PIT: GB/KC/PIT/ATL/CHI/IND/JAX/NO/CLE/BUF/STL/SF/DEN/SEA/PHI/MIA/21

DIFF: BAL/PIT, CAR/ATL, NE/JAX, TEN/BUF, CIN/DEN, SD/SEA, DAL/PHI

 

Carolina (Fazzle 5-10) defeated by Atlanta (King of the 909 12-3) 7-9

CAR: GB/OAK/BAL/ATL/CHI/IND/NE/NO/TB/BUF/STL/SF/DEN/SD/PHI/MIA/16

ATL: GB/KC/BAL/ATL/CHI/IND/JAX/NO/TB/TEN/STL/SF/CIN/SD/PHI/MIA/20

DIFF: OAK/KC, NE/JAX, BUF/TEN, DEN/CIN, 16/20

 

Chicago (Agent of Oblivion 5-10) defeated by Detroit (Bravesfan 10-5) 5-9

CHI: XXX/XXX/PIT/ATL/CHI/IND/JAX/NYG/TB/BUF/STL/AZ/DEN/SEA/DAL/MIA/EP

DET: GB/KC/BAL/CAR/CHI/IND/JAX/NO/CLE/TEN/WAS/SF/CIN/SD/PHI/NYJ/10

DIFF: XXX/KC, PIT/BAL, ATL/CAR, NYG/NO, TB/CLE, BUF/TEN, STL/WAS, AZ/SF, DEN/CIN, SEA/SD, DAL/PHI, MIA/NYJ, EP/10

 

Indianapolis (Prime Time Andrew Doyle 8-7) defeated Houston (Bored 7-8) 9-7

IND: GB/XXX/PIT/ATL/CHI/IND/NE/NO/CLE/TEN/STL/SF/CIN/SEA/PHI/NYJ/41

HOU: MIN/KC/BAL/CAR/CHI/IND/JAX/NYG/CLE/BUF/WAS/SF/CIN/SD/PHI/MIA/14

DIFF: GB/MIN, XXX/KC, PIT/BAL, ATL/CAR, NE/JAX, NO/NYG, TEN/BUF, STL/WAS, SEA/SD, NYJ/MIA, 41/14

 

New England (nl-asshole 7-7-1) defeated Jacksonville (Always Pissed Off 10-5) 10-5

NE: MIN/KC/BAL/ATL/CHI/IND/JAX/NO/CLE/TEN/STL/SF/CIN/SD/PHI/NYJ/24

JAX: GB/KC/BAL/ATL/CHI/IND/JAX/NO/CLE/BUF/WAS/SF/DEN/SD/PHI/MIA/17

DIFF: MIN/GB, TEN/BUF, STL/WAS, CIN/DEN, NYJ/MIA

 

New Orleans (Cena’s Writer 5-9-1) defeated by N.Y. Giants (Cartman 6-10) 10-12

NO: GB/KC/BAL/ATL/CHI/IND/NE/NYG/CLE/BUF/STL/AZ/CIN/SEA/PHI/NYJ/28

NYG: X/OAK/BAL/CAR/DET/HOU/NE/NO/TB/TEN/WAS/AZ/CIN/SEA/PHI/NYJ/69

DIFF: KC/OAK, ATL/CAR, CHI/DET, IND/HOU, NYG/NO, CLE/TB, BUF/TEN, STL/WAS, 28/69

 

Tampa Bay (Starvenger 9-6) defeated Cleveland (SFA Jack 11-4) 8-8+TB

TB: XXX/KC/BAL/ATL/CHI/IND/JAX/NO/TB/TEN/STL/SF/DEN/SEA/DAL/NYJ/17

CLE: GB/KC/BAL/CAR/CHI/IND/NE/NO/CLE/BUF/STL/SF/DEN/SD/PHI/NYJ/24

DIFF: ATL/CAR, JAX/NE, TB/CLE, TEN/BUF, SEA/SD, DAL/PHI, 17/24

 

Tennessee (Cuban Linx 8-7) defeated by Buffalo (Bob Barron 9-6) 6-10

TEN: GB/KC/PIT/ATL/CHI/IND/NE/NYG/TB/TEN/STL/SF/DEN/SD/DAL/MIA/20

BUF: GB/KC/BAL/ATL/CHI/IND/NE/NO/CLE/TEN/STL/SF/DEN/SEA/PHI/NYJ/16

DIFF: PIT/BAL, NYG/NO, TB/CLE, SD/SEA, DAL/PHI, MIA/NYJ, 20/16

 

Washington (Human Fly 7-8) defeated by St. Louis (Canadian Guitarist 6-9) 3-7

WAS: XX/XXX/PIT/ATL/DET/HOU/JAX/NYG/CLE/BUF/STL/SF/DEN/SEA/DAL/MIA/EP

STL: XXX/XXX/PIT/CAR/DET/IND/NE/NYG/TB/TEN/WAS/SF/DEN/SEA/PHI/NYJ/EP

DIFF: ATL/CAR, HOU/IND, JAX/NE, CLE/TB, BUF/TEN, STL/WAS, DAL/PHI, MIA/NYJ, EP/EP

 

Arizona (Vern Gagne 8-7) defeated San Francisco (Lightning Flik 5-10) 10-8

AZ: GB/KC/BAL/ATL/CHI/IND/NE/NO/TB/BUF/WAS/AZ/DEN/SEA/PHI/NYJ/24

SF: GB/OAK/BAL/ATL/CHI/IND/JAX/NO/CLE/TEN/STL/SF/CIN/SD/PHI/NYJ/28

DIFF: KC/OAK, NE/JAX, TB/CLE, BUF/TEN, WAS/STL, AZ/SF, DEN/CIN, SEA/SD, 24/28

 

Cincinnati (Teke 6-8-1) defeated by Denver (Canadian Chris 8-7) 7-9

CIN: XX/XX/PIT/ATL/CHI/IND/JAX/NO/CLE/TEN/STL/AZ/CIN/SD/DAL/NYJ/EP

DEN: GB/KC/BAL/ATL/CHI/IND/NE/NO/CLE/TEN/STL/SF/DEN/SD/PHI/NYJ/22

DIFF: XX/KC, PIT/BAL, JAX/NE, AZ/SF, CIN/DEN, DAL/PHI, EP/22

 

San Diego (Porter 6-8-1) defeated by Seattle (Chazz 1998 7-8) 8-10

SD: GB/KC/BAL/ATL/CHI/IND/NE/NYG/TB/TEN/WAS/SF/CIN/SD/PHI/MIA/28

SEA: GB/KC/BAL/CAR/CHI/IND/NE/NO/CLE/BUF/WAS/SF/CIN/SEA/PHI/NYJ/17

DIFF: ATL/CAR, NYG/NO, TB/CLE, TEN/BUF, SD/SEA, MIA/NYJ, 28/17

 

Philadelphia (Harley Quinn 8-6-1) defeated Dallas (Hawk34 5-10) 13-7

PHI: MIN/KC/BAL/CAR/CHI/HOU/NE/NO/CLE/TEN/WAS/AZ/CIN/SD/PHI/NYJ/24

DAL: GB/KC/PIT/ATL/CHI/IND/NE/NYG/CLE/TEN/STL/SF/CIN/SD/DAL/NYJ/27

DIFF: MIN/GB, BAL/PIT, CAR/ATL, HOU/IND, NO/NYG, WAS/STL, AZ/SF, PHI/DAL, 24/27

 

N.Y. Jets (Gert T 7-8) defeated by Miami (Spaceman Spiff 5-10) 6-9

NYJ: GB/KC/BAL/ATL/CHI/IND/NE/NYG/CLE/BUF/WAS/SF/CIN/SD/DAL/NYJ/20

MIA: GB/KC/BAL/ATL/CHI/IND/NE/NO/CLE/TEN/STL/SF/CIN/SD/DAL/NYJ/23

DIFF: NYG/NO, BUF/TEN, WAS/STL

 

 

 

 

 

And for those wondering how regular-season tie-breakers will get decided, enjoy.

 

NFL Tiebreaking Procedures

(March 20, 2002) -- With the NFL realigning into eight four-team divisions to accommodate the arrival of the Houston Texans, the league adopted new tiebreaking rules.

 

Common opponents will now be the third tiebreaker within a division after head-to-head games and division record because each of the four teams will have 14 common games in the 16-game schedule. The owners also moved the strength-of-victory tiebreaker ahead of the strength-of-schedule tiebreaker.

 

The six postseason participants from each conference will now be seeded as follows:

1. The division champion with the best record.

2. The division champion with the second-best record.

3. The division champion with the third-best record.

4. The division champion with the fourth-best record.

5. The Wild Card club with the best record.

6. The Wild Card club with the second-best record.

 

The following procedures will be used to break standings ties for postseason playoffs and to determine regular-season schedules.

 

NOTE: Tie games count as one-half win and one-half loss for both clubs.

 

TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION

If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.

 

Two Clubs

1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).

2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.

3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.

4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

5. Strength of victory.

6. Strength of schedule.

7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.

8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.

9. Best net points in common games.

10. Best net points in all games.

11. Best net touchdowns in all games.

 

Three or More Clubs

(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated during any step, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format).

1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs).

2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.

3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.

4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

5. Strength of victory.

6. Strength of schedule.

7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.

8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.

9. Best net points in common games.

10. Best net points in all games.

11. Best net touchdowns in all games.

 

TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM

If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.

1. If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.

2. If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.

 

Two Clubs

1. Head-to-head, if applicable.

2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.

4. Strength of victory.

5. Strength of schedule.

6. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.

7. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.

8. Best net points in conference games.

9. Best net points in all games.

10. Best net touchdowns in all games.

11. Coin toss.

 

Three or More Clubs

(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)

1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.

2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)

3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.

5. Strength of victory.

6. Strength of schedule.

7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.

8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.

9. Best net points in conference games.

10. Best net points in all games.

11. Best net touchdowns in all games.

12. Coin toss

 

When the first Wild-Card team has been identified, the procedure is repeated to name the second Wild-Card, i.e., eliminate all but the highest-ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. In situations where three or more teams from the same division are involved in the procedure, the original seeding of the teams remains the same for subsequent applications of the tie breaker if the top-ranked team in that division qualifies for a Wild-Card berth.

 

OTHER TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURES

1. Only one club advances to the playoffs in any tie-breaking step. Remaining tied clubs revert to the first step of the applicable division or Wild-Card tie breakers. As an example, if two clubs remain tied in any tie-breaker step after all other clubs have been eliminated, the procedure reverts to step one of the two-club format to determine the winner. When one club wins the tie breaker, all other clubs revert to step 1 of the applicable two-club or three-club format.

2. In comparing division and conference records or records against common opponents among tied teams, the best won-lost-tied percentage is the deciding factor since teams may have played an unequal number of games.

3. To determine home-field priority among division titlists, apply Wild-Card tie breakers.

4. To determine home-field priority for Wild-Card qualifiers, apply division tie breakers (if teams are from the same division) or Wild-Card tie breakers (if teams are from different ivisions).

 

TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURE FOR SELECTION MEETING

If two or more clubs are tied in the selection order, the strength-of-schedule tie breaker is applied, subject to the following exceptions for playoff clubs:

 

1. The Super Bowl winner is last and the Super Bowl loser next-to-last.

2. Any non-Super Bowl playoff club involved in a tie shall be assigned priority within its segment below that of non-playoff clubs and in the order that the playoff clubs exited from the playoffs. Thus, within a tied segment a playoff club that loses in the Wild-Card game will have priority over a playoff club that loses in the Divisional playoff game, which in turn will have priority over a club that loses in the Conference Championship game. If two tied clubs exited the playoffs in the same round, the tie is broken by strength of schedule.

 

If any ties cannot be broken by strength of schedule, the divisional or conference tie breakers, whichever are applicable, are applied. Any ties that still exist are broken by a coin flip.

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KC - 27

 

Minnesota at Green Bay (3.5)

(6.5) Kansas City at Oakland

Baltimore at Pittsburgh (3.5)

Carolina at Atlanta (6.5)

(4.5) Chicago at Detroit

(9.5) Indianapolis at Houston

New England at Jacksonville (2.5)

New Orleans at N.Y. Giants (3.5)

Tampa Bay at Cleveland (3.5)

Tennessee at Buffalo (4.5)

Washington at St. Louis (2.5)

Arizona at San Francisco (4.5)

Cincinnati at Denver (3.5)

(4.5) San Diego at Seattle

Philadelphia at Dallas (7.5)

N.Y. Jets at Miami (2.5)

 

Man, I'm gonna get crushed this week.

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EDIT - Dammit, I always forget the TB

 

BAL - 20

 

Green Bay (3.5)

(6.5) Kansas City

Baltimore

Carolina

(4.5) Chicago (Four and a half? That's it?)

(9.5) Indianapolis

New England

New Orleans

Cleveland (3.5)

Tennessee

St. Louis (2.5)

San Francisco (4.5)

Cincinnati

(4.5) San Diego

Dallas (7.5)

Miami (2.5)

Edited by KingPK

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Leading the Wildcard race, only 2 weeks to go, now watch me find a way to screw it up.

 

Tennessee - 20 points

 

Minnesota at Green Bay (3.5)

(6.5) Kansas City at Oakland

Baltimore at Pittsburgh (3.5)

Carolina at Atlanta (6.5)

(4.5) Chicago at Detroit

(9.5) Indianapolis at Houston

New England at Jacksonville (2.5)

New Orleans at N.Y. Giants (3.5)

Tampa Bay at Cleveland (3.5)

Tennessee at Buffalo (4.5)

Washington at St. Louis (2.5)

Arizona at San Francisco (4.5)

Cincinnati at Denver (3.5)

(4.5) San Diego at Seattle

Philadelphia at Dallas (7.5)

N.Y. Jets at Miami (2.5)

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I represent the Patriots. I think they will score 24 points.

 

Minnesota

Kansas City

Baltimore

Atlanta

Chicago

Indianapolis

Jacksonville

New Orleans

Cleveland

Tennessee

St. Louis

San Francisco

Cincinnati

San Diego

Philadelphia

N.Y. Jets

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Too many games that could go either way (MIN/GB, CAR/ATL, CLE/TB)...ugh

 

Philadelphia - 24

 

Minnesota

(6.5) Kansas City

Baltimore

Carolina *who the hell knows on this game...*

(4.5) Chicago

Houston

New England

New Orleans

Cleveland (3.5) *another who the hell knows...*

Tennessee

Washington

Arizona

Cincinnati

(4.5) San Diego

Philadelphia

N.Y. Jets

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Miami - 23

 

Minnesota at Green Bay (3.5)

(6.5) Kansas City at Oakland

Baltimore at Pittsburgh (3.5)

Carolina at Atlanta (6.5)

(4.5) Chicago at Detroit

(9.5) Indianapolis at Houston

New England at Jacksonville (2.5)

New Orleans at N.Y. Giants (3.5)

Tampa Bay at Cleveland (3.5)

Tennessee at Buffalo (4.5)

Washington at St. Louis (2.5)

Arizona at San Francisco (4.5)

Cincinnati at Denver (3.5)

(4.5) San Diego at Seattle

Philadelphia at Dallas (7.5)

N.Y. Jets at Miami (2.5)

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Minnesota - 20

 

Minnesota at Green Bay(3.5)

(6.5) Kansas City at Oakland

Baltimore at Pittsburgh (3.5)

Carolina at Atlanta (6.5)

(4.5) Chicago at Detroit

(9.5) Indianapolis at Houston

New England at Jacksonville (2.5)

New Orleans at N.Y. Giants (3.5)

Tampa Bay at Cleveland (3.5)

Tennessee at Buffalo (4.5)

Washington at St. Louis (2.5)

Arizona at San Francisco(4.5)

Cincinnati at Denver (3.5)

(4.5) San Diego at Seattle

Philadelphia at Dallas (7.5)

N.Y. Jets at Miami (2.5)

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Minnesota at Green Bay (3.5)

(6.5) Kansas City at Oakland

Baltimore at Pittsburgh (3.5)

Carolina at Atlanta (6.5)

(4.5) Chicago at Detroit

(9.5) Indianapolis at Houston

New England at Jacksonville (2.5)

New Orleans at N.Y. Giants (3.5)

Tampa Bay at Cleveland (3.5)

Tennessee at Buffalo (4.5)

Washington at St. Louis (2.5)

Arizona at San Francisco (4.5)

Cincinnati at Denver (3.5)

(4.5) San Diego at Seattle

Philadelphia at Dallas (7.5)

N.Y. Jets at Miami (2.5)

 

SD-28

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Texans - 14 points

 

Minnesota

Kansas City

Baltimore

Carolina

Chicago

Indianapolis

Jacksonville

N.Y. Giants

Cleveland

Buffalo

Washington

San Francisco

Cincinnati

San Diego

Philadelphia

Miami

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Minnesota at Green Bay (3.5)

(6.5) Kansas City at Oakland

Baltimore at Pittsburgh (3.5)

Carolina at Atlanta (6.5)

(4.5) Chicago at Detroit

(9.5) Indianapolis at Houston

New England at Jacksonville (2.5)

New Orleans at N.Y. Giants (3.5)

Tampa Bay at Cleveland (3.5)

Tennessee at Buffalo (4.5)

Washington at St. Louis (2.5)

Arizona at San Francisco (4.5)

Cincinnati at Denver (3.5)

(4.5) San Diego at Seattle

Philadelphia at Dallas (7.5)

N.Y. Jets at Miami (2.5)

 

The Saints will score - 28 points.

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Carolina - 16 points

 

 

Green Bay

Oakland

Baltimore

Atlanta

Chicago

Indianapolis

New England

New Orleans

Tampa Bay

Buffalo

St. Louis

San Francisco

Denver

San Diego

Philadelphia

Miami

 

Ugh. I took way too many dogs this week.

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Minnesota at Green Bay (3.5) - GB

(6.5) Kansas City at Oakland - KC

Baltimore at Pittsburgh (3.5) - BAL

Carolina at Atlanta (6.5) - ATL

(4.5) Chicago at Detroit - CHI

(9.5) Indianapolis at Houston - IND

New England at Jacksonville (2.5) - NE

New Orleans at N.Y. Giants (3.5) - NYG

Tampa Bay at Cleveland (3.5) - CLE

Tennessee at Buffalo (4.5) - BUF

Washington at St. Louis (2.5) - WSH

Arizona at San Francisco (4.5) - SF

Cincinnati at Denver (3.5) - CIN

(4.5) San Diego at Seattle - SD

Philadelphia at Dallas (7.5) - DAL

N.Y. Jets at Miami (2.5) - NYJ

 

NY Jets - 20 points

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Green Bay

Kansas City

Baltimore

Atlanta

Chicago

Indianapolis

New England

New Orleans

Cleveland

Tennessee

St. Louis

San Francisco

Denver

Seattle

Philadelphia

N.Y. Jets

 

Buffalo- 16

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Washington Redskins - 18 Points

 

Minnesota at Green Bay (3.5) - missed deadline

(6.5) Kansas City at Oakland

Baltimore at Pittsburgh (3.5)

Carolina at Atlanta (6.5)

(4.5) Chicago at Detroit

(9.5) Indianapolis at Houston

New England at Jacksonville (2.5)

New Orleans at N.Y. Giants (3.5)

Tampa Bay at Cleveland (3.5)

Tennessee at Buffalo (4.5)

Washington at St. Louis (2.5)

Arizona at San Francisco (4.5)

Cincinnati at Denver (3.5)

(4.5) San Diego at Seattle

Philadelphia at Dallas (7.5)

N.Y. Jets at Miami (2.5)

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Minnesota at Green Bay (3.5)... oops, I guess I'm either SOL or on EPs for this one...

 

(6.5) Kansas City at Oakland

Baltimore at Pittsburgh (3.5)

Carolina at Atlanta (6.5)

(4.5) Chicago at Detroit

(9.5) Indianapolis at Houston

New England at Jacksonville (2.5)

New Orleans at N.Y. Giants (3.5)

Tampa Bay at Cleveland (3.5)

Tennessee at Buffalo (4.5)

Washington at St. Louis (2.5)

Arizona at San Francisco (4.5)

Cincinnati at Denver (3.5)

(4.5) San Diego at Seattle

Philadelphia at Dallas (7.5)

N.Y. Jets at Miami (2.5)

 

Tampa... 17

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I'm headed out for another Christmas event and won't be back until at least 5 p.m. (This one just came up -- ~!@#$ families.) Deadline's still 1 p.m., and if the time-thingy on your post is past 1 p.m., then your EPs will be used.

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I'm anxious as hell to find out how I'm doing this week since Vitamin X never submitted picks (which I guess gives me a free tiebreaker win on points scored in the GB-MN and already puts me up one in the KC-OK game) and I don't know what his EP's are.

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