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You all know how this works. The favored team has the point spread in parentheses. Deadline for the Thursday NO/IND game will be 8 p.m. on game day. Otherwise, the deadline will be noon on Sunday. Remember, you can post picks/TB in this thread of PM them to me. I will not post PM'd picks until after your opponent submits picks.

 

For those without a team but would like to play along, just enter picks in this thread (if you want to guess how many points "your" team will score, give that, too, so I can make an accurate "what-if" recap at season's end for you). If you make picks for all 16 weeks your team is playing, you'll be put first in line for dibs on taking any unclaimed teams next year. If there is more than one person that goes through the season making all their picks, they will be placed in order of correct picks made.

 

For those wondering, here is where I get my spreads from. I'll tweak spreads no more than a half-point.

 

New Orleans @ Indianapolis (5.5)

Atlanta @ Minnesota (3.5)

Carolina @ St. Louis (0.5)

(3.5) Denver @ Buffalo

Kansas City @ Houston (2.5)

Miami @ Washington (3.5)

(6.5) New England @ N.Y. Jets

(3.5) Philadelphia @ Green Bay

(4.5) Pittsburgh @ Cleveland

Tennessee @ Jacksonville (6.5)

Chicago @ San Diego (6.5)

Detroit @ Oakland (1.5)

Tampa Bay @ Seattle (6.5)

N.Y. Giants @ Dallas (5.5)

Baltimore @ Cincinnati (3.5)

Arizona @ San Francisco (3.5)

 

New Orleans (Cena's Writer 1-0) d Indianapolis (Prime Time Andrew Doyle 0-1) 9-5

NO: NO/MIN/STL/DEN/HOU/WAS/NYJ/PHI/PIT/TEN/CHI/DET/SEA/DAL/CIN/AZ/28

IND: IND/MIN/STL/DEN/KC/WAS/NYJ/PHI/CLE/JAX/CHI/DET/SEA/DAL/BAL/SF/XX

DIFF: NO/IND, HOU/KC, PIT/CLE, TEN/JAX, CIN/BAL, AZ/SF, 28/XX

 

Atlanta (King 1-0) d Minnesota (Danville Wrestling 0-1) 10-8

ATL: IND/MIN/STL/DEN/HOU/MIA/NE/PHI/PIT/TEN/CHI/OAK/SEA/DAL/CIN/SF/16

MIN: NO/ATL/CAR/DEN/KC/WAS/NE/GB/PIT/JAX/SD/OAK/SEA/DAL/CIN/SF/23

DIFF: IND/NO, MIN/ATL, STL/CAR, HOU/KC, MIA/WAS, PHI/GB, TEN/JAX, CHI/SD, 16/23

 

Carolina (Fazzle 1-0) d St. Louis (Canadian Guitarist 0-1) 8-6

CAR: IND/ATL/STL/BUF/HOU/WAS/NYJ/PHI/PIT/TEN/CHI/DET/SEA/DAL/BAL/SF/13

STL: IND/ATL/CAR/DEN/KC/WAS/NE/GB/PIT/JAX/CHI/OAK/SEA/NYG/BAL/SF/24

DIFF: STL/CAR, BUF/DEN, HOU/KC, NYJ/NE, PHI/GB, TEN/JAX, DET/OAK, DAL/NYG, 13/24

 

Denver (Canadian Chris 0-1) d by Buffalo (Bob Barron 1-0) 8-10

DEN: IND/MIN/STL/DEN/KC/MIA/NE/GB/PIT/JAX/CHI/OAK/SEA/DAL/BAL/SF/23

BUF: NO/MIN/STL/DEN/KC/MIA/NE/PHI/PIT/TEN/SD/DET/SEA/DAL/CIN/SF/14

DIFF: IND/NO, GB/PHI, JAX/TEN, CHI/SD, OAK/DET, BAL/CIN, 23/14

 

Kansas City (Alfdogg 1-0) d Houston (Bored 0-1) 11-8

KC: IND/MIN/CAR/DEN/KC/WAS/NE/GB/PIT/TEN/SD/OAK/SEA/DAL/CIN/SF/24

HOU: IND/MIN/STL/DEN/HOU/WAS/NE/PHI/CLE/TEN/SD/OAK/SEA/DAL/BAL/SF/17

DIFF: CAR/STL, KC/HOU, GB/PHI, PIT/CLE, CIN/BAL

 

Miami (Spaceman Spiff 0-1) d by Washington (Human Fly 1-0) 7-11

MIA: NO/MIN/STL/DEN/KC/MIA/NYJ/PHI/PIT/TEN/CHI/DET/SEA/DAL/BAL/SF/24

WAS: IND/MIN/CAR/DEN/HOU/WAS/NYJ/PHI/PIT/TEN/SD/DET/SEA/DAL/CIN/SF/18

DIFF: NO/IND, STL/CAR, KC/HOU, MIA/WAS, CHI/SD, BAL/CIN, 24/18

 

New England (nl-asshole 1-0) d N.Y. Jets (Gert T 0-1) 8-7

NE: IND/ATL/CAR/DEN/KC/WAS/NE/PHI/PIT/JAX/SD/DET/SEA/DAL/BAL/SF/27

NYJ: IND/ATL/STL/DEN/KC/WAS/NYJ/PHI/PIT/TEN/CHI/DET/SEA/DAL/CIN/SF/17

DIFF: CAR/STL, NE/NYJ, JAX/TEN, SD/CHI, BAL/CIN

 

Philadelphia (Harley Quinn 1-0) d Green Bay (Vitamin X 0-1) 8-7

PHI: NO/ATL/CAR/DEN/HOU/MIA/NE/PHI/PIT/TEN/CHI/OAK/TB/DAL/BAL/AZ/27

GB: NO/MIN/STL/DEN/HOU/MIA/NE/PHI/PIT/TEN/CHI/OAK/TB/DAL/BAL/SF/26

DIFF: ATL/MIN, CAR/STL, AZ/SF

 

Pittsburgh (Kahran Ramsus 0-1) d by Cleveland (SFA Jack 1-0) 7-8

PIT: NO/MIN/STL/DEN/HOU/WAS/NYJ/PHI/PIT/JAX/SD/OAK/SEA/NYG/CIN/AZ/30

CLE: IND/MIN/STL/BUF/HOU/WAS/NYJ/PHI/PIT/JAX/CHI/OAK/SEA/DAL/BAL/AZ/14

DIFF: NO/IND, DEN/BUF, SD/CHI, NYG/DAL, CIN/BAL

 

Tennessee (Cuban Linx 1-0) d Jacksonville (Always Pissed Off 0-1) 13-8

TEN: IND/MIN/CAR/BUF/HOU/WAS/NE/GB/PIT/TEN/CHI/DET/SEA/DAL/CIN/SF/21

JAX: IND/MIN/STL/DEN/HOU/MIA/NYJ/PHI/PIT/JAX/CHI/OAK/SEA/DAL/CIN/SF/23

DIFF: CAR/STL, BUF/DEN, WAS/MIA, NE/NYJ, GB/PHI, TEN/JAX, DET/OAK

 

Chicago (Agent of Oblivion 0-1) d by San Diego (Porter 1-0) 7-9

CHI: IND/ATL/CAR/DEN/HOU/WAS/NE/PHI/PIT/JAX/CHI/OAK/SEA/DAL/BAL/SF/31

SD: NO/MIN/STL/DEN/HOU/WAS/NE/PHI/PIT/TEN/CHI/DET/SEA/DAL/BAL/AZ/28

DIFF: IND/NO, ATL/MIN, CAR/STL, JAX/TEN, OAK/DET, SF/AZ, 31/28

 

Detroit (Chazz 1998 1-0) d Oakland (Smues 0-1) 8-7

DET: IND/ATL/STL/BUF/KC/MIA/NE/PHI/PIT/TEN/CHI/OAK/SEA/NYG/CIN/SF/17

OAK: IND/MIN/STL/BUF/KC/WAS/NYJ/GB/PIT/TEN/CHI/OAK/SEA/NYG/BAL/SF/24

DIFF: ATL/MIN, MIA/WAS, NE/NYJ, PHI/GB, CIN/BAL

 

Tampa Bay (Starvenger 0-1) d by Seattle (Redbaron51 1-0) 9-11

TB: NO/MIN/STL/DEN/HOU/WAS/NE/PHI/PIT/TEN/SD/OAK/SEA/DAL/CIN/SF/14

SEA: IND/MIN/CAR/DEN/KC/MIA/NE/GB/PIT/TEN/SD/OAK/TB/DAL/CIN/SF/16

DIFF: NO/IND, STL/CAR, HOU/KC, WAS/MIA, PHI/GB, SEA/TB, 14/16

 

N.Y. Giants (Cartman 1-0 d Dallas (Hawk34 0-1) 8-6

NYG: IND/MIN/STL/DEN/HOU/MIA/NYJ/PHI/PIT/JAX/CHI/DET/SEA/DAL/BAL/SF/27

DAL: NO/ATL/STL/DEN/KC/WAS/NE/PHI/PIT/TEN/CHI/DET/SEA/NYG/CIN/SF/20

DIFF: IND/NO, MIN/ATL, HOU/KC, MIA/WAS, NYJ/NE, JAX/TEN, DAL/NYG, BAL/CIN, 27/20

 

Baltimore ((King PK 0-1) d by Cincinnati (Teke 1-0) 7-8

BAL: NO/ATL/STL/DEN/HOU/MIA/NE/PHI/PIT/JAX/CHI/DET/SEA/DAL/BAL/SF/27

CIN: NO/MIN/CAR/DEN/HOU/WAS/NYJ/PHI/PIT/JAX/SD/DET/SEA/DAL/BAL/SF/21

DIFF: ATL/MIN, STL/CAR, MIA/WAS, NE/NYJ, CHI/SD

 

Arizona (Vern Gagne 0-1) d by San Francisco (Bravesfan 1-0) 6-9

AZ: NO/MIN/STL/DEN/HOU/MIA/NYJ/GB/PIT/JAX/CHI/OAK/TB/DAL/BAL/SF/20

SF: IND/MIN/CAR/DEN/HOU/WAS/NYJ/PHI/PIT/TEN/SD/DET/TB/DAL/BAL/SF/24

DIFF: NO/IND, STL/CAR, MIA/WAS, GB/PHI, JAX/TEN, CHI/SD, OAK/DET

Posted

New Orleans @ Indianapolis (5.5)

Atlanta @ Minnesota (3.5)

Carolina @ St. Louis (0.5)

(3.5) Denver @ Buffalo

Kansas City @ Houston (2.5)

Miami @ Washington (3.5)

(6.5) New England @ N.Y. Jets

(3.5) Philadelphia @ Green Bay

(4.5) Pittsburgh @ Cleveland

Tennessee @ Jacksonville (6.5)

Chicago @ San Diego (6.5)

Detroit @ Oakland (1.5)

Tampa Bay @ Seattle (6.5)

N.Y. Giants @ Dallas (5.5)

Baltimore @ Cincinnati (3.5)

Arizona @ San Francisco (3.5)

 

Philadelphia: 27

Posted

Miami - 24

 

New Orleans @ Indianapolis (5.5)

Atlanta @ Minnesota (3.5)

Carolina @ St. Louis (0.5)

(3.5) Denver @ Buffalo

Kansas City @ Houston (2.5)

Miami @ Washington (3.5)

(6.5) New England @ N.Y. Jets

(3.5) Philadelphia @ Green Bay

(4.5) Pittsburgh @ Cleveland

Tennessee @ Jacksonville (6.5)

Chicago @ San Diego (6.5)

Detroit @ Oakland (1.5)

Tampa Bay @ Seattle (6.5)

N.Y. Giants @ Dallas (5.5)

Baltimore @ Cincinnati (3.5)

Arizona @ San Francisco (3.5)

Posted (edited)

New Orleans @ Indianapolis (5.5)

Atlanta @ Minnesota (3.5)

Carolina @ St. Louis (0.5)

(3.5) Denver @ Buffalo

Kansas City @ Houston (2.5)

Miami @ Washington (3.5)

(6.5) New England @ N.Y. Jets

(3.5) Philadelphia @ Green Bay

(4.5) Pittsburgh @ Cleveland

Tennessee @ Jacksonville (6.5)

Chicago @ San Diego (6.5)

Detroit @ Oakland (1.5)

Tampa Bay @ Seattle (6.5)

N.Y. Giants @ Dallas (5.5)

Baltimore @ Cincinnati (3.5)

Arizona @ San Francisco (3.5)

 

Baltimore - 27 pts

Edited by KingPK
Posted

New Orleans @ Indianapolis (5.5)

Atlanta @ Minnesota (3.5)

Carolina @ St. Louis (0.5)

(3.5) Denver @ Buffalo

Kansas City @ Houston (2.5)

Miami @ Washington (3.5)

(6.5) New England @ N.Y. Jets

(3.5) Philadelphia @ Green Bay

(4.5) Pittsburgh @ Cleveland

Tennessee @ Jacksonville (6.5)

Chicago @ San Diego (6.5)

Detroit @ Oakland (1.5)

Tampa Bay @ Seattle (6.5)

N.Y. Giants @ Dallas (5.5)

Baltimore @ Cincinnati (3.5)

Arizona @ San Francisco (3.5)

 

Cincy will score 21 points

Posted

New Orleans @ Indianapolis (5.5)

Atlanta @ Minnesota (3.5)

Carolina @ St. Louis (0.5)

(3.5) Denver @ Buffalo

Kansas City @ Houston (2.5)

Miami @ Washington (3.5)

(6.5) New England @ N.Y. Jets

(3.5) Philadelphia @ Green Bay

(4.5) Pittsburgh @ Cleveland

Tennessee @ Jacksonville (6.5)

Chicago @ San Diego (6.5)

Detroit @ Oakland (1.5)

Tampa Bay @ Seattle (6.5)

N.Y. Giants @ Dallas (5.5)

Baltimore @ Cincinnati (3.5)

Arizona @ San Francisco (3.5)

 

KC - 24

Posted

New Orleans @ Indianapolis (5.5)

Atlanta @ Minnesota (3.5)

Carolina @ St. Louis (0.5)

(3.5) Denver @ Buffalo

Kansas City @ Houston (2.5)

Miami @ Washington (3.5)

(6.5) New England @ N.Y. Jets

(3.5) Philadelphia @ Green Bay

(4.5) Pittsburgh @ Cleveland

Tennessee @ Jacksonville (6.5)

Chicago @ San Diego (6.5)

Detroit @ Oakland (1.5)

Tampa Bay @ Seattle (6.5)

N.Y. Giants @ Dallas (5.5)

Baltimore @ Cincinnati (3.5)

Arizona @ San Francisco (3.5)

 

Seattle: 16 points.

 

Posted

Interesting, I get to start with a rematch of the NFC divisionals from the pick'em playoffs last year.

 

New Orleans @ Indianapolis (5.5)

Atlanta @ Minnesota (3.5)

Carolina @ St. Louis (0.5)

(3.5) Denver @ Buffalo

Kansas City @ Houston (2.5)

Miami @ Washington (3.5)

(6.5) New England @ N.Y. Jets

(3.5) Philadelphia @ Green Bay

(4.5) Pittsburgh @ Cleveland

Tennessee @ Jacksonville (6.5)

Chicago @ San Diego (6.5)

Detroit @ Oakland (1.5)

Tampa Bay @ Seattle (6.5)

N.Y. Giants @ Dallas (5.5)

Baltimore @ Cincinnati (3.5)

Arizona @ San Francisco (3.5)

 

Minnesota - 23

Posted

Was thinking the same thing.

 

New Orleans @ Indianapolis (5.5)

Atlanta @ Minnesota (3.5)

Carolina @ St. Louis (0.5)

(3.5) Denver @ Buffalo

Kansas City @ Houston (2.5)

Miami @ Washington (3.5)

(6.5) New England @ N.Y. Jets

(3.5) Philadelphia @ Green Bay

(4.5) Pittsburgh @ Cleveland

Tennessee @ Jacksonville (6.5)

Chicago @ San Diego (6.5)

Detroit @ Oakland (1.5)

Tampa Bay @ Seattle (6.5)

N.Y. Giants @ Dallas (5.5)

Baltimore @ Cincinnati (3.5)

Arizona @ San Francisco (3.5)

 

Atlanta-16

Guest Vitamin X
Posted

New Orleans

Minnesota (3.5)

St. Louis (0.5)

(3.5) Denver

Houston (2.5)

Miami

(6.5) New England

(3.5) Philadelphia

(4.5) Pittsburgh

Tennessee

Chicago

Oakland (1.5)

Tampa Bay

Dallas (5.5)

Baltimore

San Francisco (3.5)

 

Green Bay: 26

Posted

New Orleans @ Indianapolis (5.5)

Atlanta @ Minnesota (3.5)

Carolina @ St. Louis (0.5)

(3.5) Denver @ Buffalo

Kansas City @ Houston (2.5)

Miami @ Washington (3.5)

(6.5) New England @ N.Y. Jets

(3.5) Philadelphia @ Green Bay

(4.5) Pittsburgh @ Cleveland

Tennessee @ Jacksonville (6.5)

Chicago @ San Diego (6.5)

Detroit @ Oakland (1.5)

Tampa Bay @ Seattle (6.5)

N.Y. Giants @ Dallas (5.5)

Baltimore @ Cincinnati (3.5)

Arizona @ San Francisco (3.5)

 

Tennessee - 21 points

Guest Tzar Lysergic
Posted

@ Indianapolis (5.5)

Atlanta

Carolina

(3.5) Denver

@ Houston (2.5)

@ Washington (3.5)

(6.5) New England

(3.5) Philadelphia

(4.5) Pittsburgh

@ Jacksonville (6.5)

Chicago

@ Oakland (1.5)

@ Seattle (6.5)

@ Dallas (5.5)

Baltimore

@ San Francisco (3.5)

 

Bears-31

Posted

New Orleans @ Indianapolis (5.5)

Atlanta @ Minnesota (3.5)

Carolina @ St. Louis (0.5)

(3.5) Denver @ Buffalo

Kansas City @ Houston (2.5)

Miami @ Washington (3.5)

(6.5) New England @ N.Y. Jets

(3.5) Philadelphia @ Green Bay

(4.5) Pittsburgh @ Cleveland

Tennessee @ Jacksonville (6.5)

Chicago @ San Diego (6.5)

Detroit @ Oakland (1.5)

Tampa Bay @ Seattle (6.5)

N.Y. Giants @ Dallas (5.5)

Baltimore @ Cincinnati (3.5)

Arizona @ San Francisco (3.5)

 

St. Louis scores 24 points. Good luck, everyone.

Posted
@ Indianapolis (5.5)

Atlanta

Carolina

(3.5) Denver

@ Houston (2.5)

@ Washington (3.5)

(6.5) New England

(3.5) Philadelphia

(4.5) Pittsburgh

@ Jacksonville (6.5)

Chicago

@ Oakland (1.5)

@ Seattle (6.5)

@ Dallas (5.5)

Baltimore

@ San Francisco (3.5)

 

Bears-31

 

Boy, I hope so. In reality, I'm not feeling too good about the game as a Bears fan.

Posted

New Orleans @ Indianapolis (5.5)

Atlanta @ Minnesota (3.5)

Carolina @ St. Louis (0.5)

(3.5) Denver @ Buffalo

Kansas City @ Houston (2.5)

Miami @ Washington (3.5)

(6.5) New England @ N.Y. Jets

(3.5) Philadelphia @ Green Bay

(4.5) Pittsburgh @ Cleveland

Tennessee @ Jacksonville (6.5)

Chicago @ San Diego (6.5)

Detroit @ Oakland (1.5)

Tampa Bay @ Seattle (6.5)

N.Y. Giants @ Dallas (5.5)

Baltimore @ Cincinnati (3.5)

Arizona @ San Francisco (3.5)

 

Saints - 28 points

Posted

Panthers - 13 points

 

 

Indianapolis

Atlanta

St. Louis

Buffalo

Houston

Washington

N.Y. Jets

Philadelphia

Pittsburgh

Tennessee

Chicago

Detroit

Seattle

Dallas

Baltimore

San Francisco

Posted

New Orleans @ Indianapolis (5.5)

Atlanta @ Minnesota (3.5)

Carolina @ St. Louis (0.5)

(3.5) Denver @ Buffalo

Kansas City @ Houston (2.5)

Miami @ Washington (3.5)

(6.5) New England @ N.Y. Jets

(3.5) Philadelphia @ Green Bay

(4.5) Pittsburgh @ Cleveland

Tennessee @ Jacksonville (6.5)

Chicago @ San Diego (6.5)

Detroit @ Oakland (1.5)

Tampa Bay @ Seattle (6.5)

N.Y. Giants @ Dallas (5.5)

Baltimore @ Cincinnati (3.5)

Arizona @ San Francisco (3.5)

 

Steelers - 30 Points

Posted

New Orleans @ Indianapolis (5.5)

Atlanta @ Minnesota (3.5)

Carolina @ St. Louis (0.5)

(3.5) Denver @ Buffalo

Kansas City @ Houston (2.5)

Miami @ Washington (3.5)

(6.5) New England @ N.Y. Jets

(3.5) Philadelphia @ Green Bay

(4.5) Pittsburgh @ Cleveland

Tennessee @ Jacksonville (6.5)

Chicago @ San Diego (6.5)

Detroit @ Oakland (1.5)

Tampa Bay @ Seattle (6.5)

N.Y. Giants @ Dallas (5.5)

Baltimore @ Cincinnati (3.5)

Arizona @ San Francisco (3.5)

 

Tiebreaker - 14

 

Heading to VanCity tomorrow for a wedding. It should be a joyous occasion, but to me it means that I've just squandered one week of Sunday Ticket...

Posted

Saints at Colts (5.5)

Colts

Broncos (3.5) at Bills

Bills

Steelers (4.5) at Browns

Steelers

Eagles (2.5) at Packers

Eagles

Chiefs at Texans (3.5)

Chiefs

Titans at Jaguars (7.5)

Jaguars

Falcons at Vikings (2.5)

Falcons

Patriots (7.5) at Jets

Jets

Panthers at Rams (1.5)

Panthers

Dolphins at Redskins (2.5)

Redskins

Lions at Raiders (1.5)

Raiders

Bears at Chargers (5.5)

Chargers

Buccaneers at Seahawks (6.5)

Seahawks

Giants at Cowboys (5.5)

Cowboys

Ravens at Bengals (2.5)

Bengals

Cardinals at 49ners (3.5)

49ners

 

Colts with a 40 spot!

Posted

Texans - 17 points

 

Indianapolis

Minnesota

St. Louis

Denver

Houston

Washington

New England

Philadelphia

Cleveland

Tennessee

San Diego

Oakland

Seattle

Dallas

Baltimore

San Francisco

Posted

Washington - 18 Points

 

New Orleans @ Indianapolis (5.5)

Atlanta @ Minnesota (3.5)

Carolina @ St. Louis (0.5)

(3.5) Denver @ Buffalo

Kansas City @ Houston (2.5)

Miami @ Washington (3.5)

(6.5) New England @ N.Y. Jets

(3.5) Philadelphia @ Green Bay

(4.5) Pittsburgh @ Cleveland

Tennessee @ Jacksonville (6.5)

Chicago @ San Diego (6.5)

Detroit @ Oakland (1.5)

Tampa Bay @ Seattle (6.5)

N.Y. Giants @ Dallas (5.5)

Baltimore @ Cincinnati (3.5)

Arizona @ San Francisco (3.5

Posted

New Orleans @ Indianapolis (5.5) - IND

Atlanta @ Minnesota (3.5) - ATL

Carolina @ St. Louis (0.5) - STL

(3.5) Denver @ Buffalo - DEN

Kansas City @ Houston (2.5) - KC

Miami @ Washington (3.5) - WSH

(6.5) New England @ N.Y. Jets - NYJ

(3.5) Philadelphia @ Green Bay - PHI

(4.5) Pittsburgh @ Cleveland - PIT

Tennessee @ Jacksonville (6.5) - TEN

Chicago @ San Diego (6.5) - CHI

Detroit @ Oakland (1.5) - DET

Tampa Bay @ Seattle (6.5) - SEA

N.Y. Giants @ Dallas (5.5) - DAL

Baltimore @ Cincinnati (3.5) - CIN

Arizona @ San Francisco (3.5) - SF

 

NYJ 17 points

 

 

 

Posted

Atlanta @ Minnesota (3.5)

Carolina @ St. Louis (0.5)

(3.5) Denver @ Buffalo

Kansas City @ Houston (2.5)

Miami @ Washington (3.5)

(6.5) New England @ N.Y. Jets

(3.5) Philadelphia @ Green Bay

(4.5) Pittsburgh @ Cleveland

Tennessee @ Jacksonville (6.5)

Chicago @ San Diego (6.5)

Detroit @ Oakland (1.5)

Tampa Bay @ Seattle (6.5)

N.Y. Giants @ Dallas (5.5)

Baltimore @ Cincinnati (3.5)

Arizona @ San Francisco (3.5)

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