NFL Week 1 Paneled Basement Party & Chat

[Cartman 0]

Cause that's just silly. Oh well, pretty disheartening developments here. I really want to hear their excuse for this.

 

EDIT: FWIW Bob Lobel from WBZ news up here just reported that he spoke with the NFL: Offices and there has been no decision made on this situation yet, this was just minutes ago.

[MrRant 0]

Since it double-posted for some reason, Charlie Frye just went from a starting quarterback to a third string role on another team in less than 3 days. Can you say ouch?

 

Also, a sad shame to hear about Kevin Everett. All you can hope for now is he survives his injuries and goes on to lead some form of happy life.

 

Well, more quasi 2nd string as the Seahawks have been wanting to use Seneca for punt returns and at WR to use his athleticism for awhile now.

[Ripper 0]

Since it double-posted for some reason, Charlie Frye just went from a starting quarterback to a third string role on another team in less than 3 days. Can you say ouch?

 

Also, a sad shame to hear about Kevin Everett. All you can hope for now is he survives his injuries and goes on to lead some form of happy life.

 

Well, more quasi 2nd string as the Seahawks have been wanting to use Seneca for punt returns and at WR to use his athleticism for awhile now.

 

 

Thats a total waste of Seneca. He isn't a bad QB. He made mistakes that you would expect out of a guy under center in a real NFL for the first time.

 

Although he did show bad reads in college too, there was nothing to believe that he couldn't become better with a good QB coach and playing time.

 

Not in Seattle of course, but use him for trade bait somewhere. I would certainly bet on him as a backup QB over fucking Charlie Frye.

[Zetterberg is God 0]

Kevin Everett might walk again after all.

 

The doctor who performed the spinal surgery on Everett told Buffalo TV station WIVB on Tuesday that Everett has voluntary movement of his arms and legs and as a result he is optimistic that Everett will walk again.

Great news considering how bleak it looked yesterday.

[LaParkaMarka 0]

Thats a total waste of Seneca. He isn't a bad QB. He made mistakes that you would expect out of a guy under center in a real NFL for the first time.

 

Although he did show bad reads in college too, there was nothing to believe that he couldn't become better with a good QB coach and playing time.

 

Not in Seattle of course, but use him for trade bait somewhere. I would certainly bet on him as a backup QB over fucking Charlie Frye.

 

From what I understand, they like Seneca as a QB. They just think they can also use him elsewhere, and want an insurance policy in case Wallace gets hurt.

 

Great news on Everett.

[Just John 0]

That Patriots story is hilarious. I love how they cheat against the biggest jobbers who they'd have no problem beating straight up. I think they're just trying to get everyone to hate them again since they haven't dominated the league for a couple years now.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Jets are some of the biggest jobbers? Who are you kidding here?

[Guest]

He's right partially, they really wouldn't have any problem beating them straight up.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Well nevermind that they did actually beat the Patriots last year, but yeah that's not really my point. They are not as good as the Patriots, but they are far from "jobbers".

[snuffbox 0]

They're not talked about on Espn as much as the Patriots, though.

[Ripper 0]

Lets face it though, if they have been caught 5 times, what is the chance they haven't been doing it in every game?

 

Yeah, they could have beaten the Jets without doing it. They could beat all those teams they got caught cheating against without doing it, but they still did it.

 

And calling the Jets "the biggest jobbers" is laughable.

[KingPK 0]

What happens to any draft picks that could be forefited? Do they go to the Jets or are they just skipped when the draft comes around?

 

They haven't been caught 5 times, they've been caught once and "suspected" of others (which probably can't be proven or we would have heard about it already).

 

I read that Dolphin players last year admitted that they listened to tapes of Brady to get his snapcount down. What NE did was over the line, but teams are going to find every advantage they can for a game and Goodell can't prevent every instance if it happening.

[MrRant 0]

Well that is different. It's the same as signing a player and using his knowledge of his old team.

[Boon 0]

So which prevails when it comes time to hand down a punishment- the hatred for Belichick or the love for Kraft?

[Failed Bridge 0]

depends what the tape shows. I think they should just hand down a fine on Belichick. Like PK said, teams do alot of shit and Goodell can't stop it all. Teams constantly bring in players that have been released by an upcoming opponent for a workout and what not. If you think they aren't asking that player about their previous team and what that teams does then you're kidding yourself. In baseball they just change up the signs and plunk somebody if they suspect the other team of stealing signs...I find it hard to imagine that NFL coaches couldn't change-up their play signals and then just have some poor shmuck get leveled during a special teams play.

[Ripper 0]

I am sorry but any kind of "its not that bad" type of argument here is ridiculous.

 

They are cheating the game in a blatant way that they have been warned about before. Comparisons of signing a player that was released is not even close to the same as recording the signaling of the opposing team studying it and sending the info to your QB.

 

And once again, this is not Baseball. Changing signals means that ONE person needs to be notified. The catcher and the pitcher can change signals easily. Base coaches can change theirs easily because they aren't dealing with over 15-20 guys, all with different coaches all focused on said coaches at the end of the play. They are constantly changing in and out players at different levels. They are not going to be able to change signaling on the fly. They can use fake outs, which they do, which is very effective when the other team isn't recording your play calling and plucking out the repeated signals out of a bunch of bullshit flailing.

 

It is illegal to use binoculoars to see their play also. So basically, everyother team, if they want to try and decipher signals would have to hire a guy to just stare at the defensive coaches from across the field or from the booth and using their memory, edit out all of the bullshit fake outs used in signaling, to figure out the teams blitz pattern or coverage. The patriots, if this story is true, have to rewind.

 

Its an obsense classless move, and the coaches involved should be suspended for cheating the game just as much as a guy taking banned substances is cheating the game to get an unfair advantage. Thats why I say 4 games for the coaches and the draft picks.

[Failed Bridge 0]

There's no way in hell you could take video of the defensive signals, send it to coaches, have them figure it out, change your play and then send it in to your QB before the play clock runs down...thus its all for future use really or for second half adjustments. To say coaches couldn't have a second set of signals for the second half or for future games is just absurd. If you notice it though then have a couple of LBers knock some poor skinny WR into next week during a kick return or something and send a message.

 

I'm not saying its right because they did break a written rule, but its not like it helped them beat the Jets. The Jets inability to stop Randy Moss, even with triple coverage, is what beat the Jets. If NE knew the D-calls then I doubt they would have sent Moss into a situation where he had to fight triple coverage anyways.

 

Fine Belichick a game's worth of pay and at worst take a third round pick away too.

[Ripper 0]

No you couldn't. But by the late third or fourth quarter you could figure out when they are blitzing, or when they are playing man or when they are playing zone before the play. No way you could pull it off in the early game, but this is the Pats and they change the play at the line. ALOT.

[hyperchord24 0]

I'm not saying its right because they did break a written rule, but its not like it helped them beat the Jets. The Jets inability to stop Randy Moss, even with triple coverage, is what beat the Jets. If NE knew the D-calls then I doubt they would have sent Moss into a situation where he had to fight triple coverage anyways.

 

Fine Belichick a game's worth of pay and at worst take a third round pick away too.

That's not the argument. Since they play each other again, it will help them the next game.

[Brett Favre 0]

The Jets have a similar defense so what they get from video helps a ton. It was like 14-7 before the half, and they ran off with the game in the 2nd half. This also explains at least a part as to why Brady had 20 minutes to throw on every pass play.

 

And this is illegal. Signing players off other teams and asking them what the team does isn't.

[Ripper 0]

No, that isn't why. The Pats have a awesome line. That is why he had 20 minutes to throw.

 

But everyone has to admit, the Pats seem to be very good at picking up blitzs and checking down in late games even when blitzs are completely hidden.

 

And the thing is, this could be totally due to Brady's vision or Bills vision or the offensive coordinators vision, but because of the cheating, they have tainted it and put question marks on it.

[Brett Favre 0]

It's not like we use to sack him all the time before this, but if you watch the games last year, and the game this past week, it was total domination, and they picked up like every single blitz from every side, and I don't remember Brady getting sacked once, and he was probably only sniffed at once. It wasn't the usual Brady dodges a sack here and there, it was Brady dodging nothing here and there.

[Failed Bridge 0]

I have the game on DVR so I'll probably watch it again later and see if I can't pick something up on it.

 

I remember Brady being knocked down once on a pass to Moss and avoiding a sack before throwing it to Welker, so the Jets did have some pressure going.

[Brett Favre 0]

I remember that one too. That was pretty much it.

[Ripper 0]

Outside of the occasional stunt, everyone knows what the defensive line is going to do. It is pretty much one on one battles in passing situations. The Defensive guy is improving his moves to try and get around the lineman, and the lineman trying to stop him. KNowing the play wouldn't help there.

 

It would help to know if a extra guy or two were coming though.

[In Credible 0]

They should take a couple draft picks and suspend the coach for a couple games. He has to bring the hammer down hard on this bullshit.

[Boon 0]

Thats why I say 4 games for the coaches and the draft picks.

I highly doubt it will be that high. A four game suspension says "We're punishing the coach" (Belichick) while losing the picks says "We're punishing the franchise" (Kraft). I don't think they'll do both.

[Ripper 0]

All I know is that if they only do a fine, expect a whole lot of teams to have a whole lot of cameras pointed at each others sidelines.

[Guest Gym Class Fallout]

Who cares if Kraft is a nice guy? Like Ripper just said, Goodell has to drop the hammer down hard if he wants compliance from the rest of the league. A fine is no big deal to Kraft; he has extra money from all the pay cuts players take to be blessed with the privilege of being a New England Patriot.

 

I mean, geez, you'd think they'd try to hide it a little better than that.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

They should take a couple draft picks and suspend the coach for a couple games. He has to bring the hammer down hard on this bullshit.

 

I think they should have to forefeit the victory vs the Jets..

 

A couple of draft picks isn't going to matter much, unless its their first and second round picks. And the Patriots have 2 in the first and third rounds in 08 (1st from SF, 3rd from OAK) so even if they take away the ones NE earns with their finish, I dont think they can touch the ones that were the result of trades so NE still gets picks.