"Oops, I Forgot"

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Lawler saying at the Rumble this year questioning if Shawn / Undertaker has ever happened. I chuckled at that.

 

Stating the the FIRST Ladder match in WWE HISTORY was Shawn Michaels vs. Razor Ramon.

There's two different levels of retconning going on here, though. In the first one, it's a blatant lie since it's happened three times on PPV, including the famous Cell match and the casket match which put HBK out of wrestling for years, and Lawler was announcing all those shows.

 

But the second one? Yeah, the first ladder match in the WWF was Bret vs. Shawn, but it happened at a house show, occured before any of the current announce team joined the company, was never shown on television, and generally only seen by tape traders until the Ladder Match dvd. The Razor/Shawn one on the other hand was the most spotlighted match from the 10th anniversary Wrestlemania, and it'd be real easy to forget the real first ladder match and remember that one instead.

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But the second one? Yeah, the first ladder match in the WWF was Bret vs. Shawn, but it happened at a house show, occured before any of the current announce team joined the company, was never shown on television, and generally only seen by tape traders until the Ladder Match dvd. The Razor/Shawn one on the other hand was the most spotlighted match from the 10th anniversary Wrestlemania, and it'd be real easy to forget the real first ladder match and remember that one instead.

 

 

I'm almost certain that the ladder match was on a Coliseum Video release, so it would have had a wider audience than just tape traders.

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

Coliseum Videos cost a small fortune to own a master copy (as did most non-sell through VHS tapes back in a time where you couldn't just buy a movie when it was available for rental) and, at least in my area, by the time the Coliseum tape "Smack Em' Wack'Em" hit the market, most area stores stopped getting new wrestling videos. So yes, you'd basically need to be a tape trader OR someone with access to mid 90s Coliseum Videos.

[Guest]

I have said Bret v. Shawn ladder match. They put it on another tape with a couple of really shitty matches like Bushwackers and MOM against Booger, Bam Bam and the Headshrinkers, Yoko v. Duggan and the Razor vs. 1-2-3 Kid 10,000 dollar match.

[landy1987 0]

I just got some WWF All American shows from 93 and they show about a 5-minute clip of the Bret-Shawn ladder match to hype the release of the Smack Em Whack Em tape coming out that week. I think All American was drawling low 2.0 rating by that point so a fair amount of people will have seen it.

 

Also in fairness to Lawler forgetting stuff, he says in his book that he has a terrible memory, one thing I remember is he said he could never recall wrestling Mick Foley before and then was shown footage of their KOTR 97 match and that was the only way he remembered it.

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Well, *I* have a master of Smack 'em Whack 'em. So n'yah.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

I have it too. Wasn't that hard to get back in the day.

[Guest]

Well, *I* have a master of Smack 'em Whack 'em. So n'yah.

Well, I have a master of the Shitty Tape with Shitty Matches. So n'yah.

[JJMc 0]

Those tapes were more widely carried by video rental stores back then, too.

[cabbageboy 0]

I have a copy of Smack Em Whack Em that someone made for me! I did rent the factory VHS back in the day too.

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The last couple of weeks on ECW watching the Balls Mahoney-Mike Knox matches. They hardly mentioned that at the start of WWE's version of ECW Knox and Kelly Kelly were dating and he was refusing to let her strip for the fans. In fact, they pretty much flushed the storyline down the toilet right when CM Punk beat Knox.

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They really hyped up Andre-Hogan at WM3 as their first encounter ever...that was a major one.

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The last couple of weeks on ECW watching the Balls Mahoney-Mike Knox matches. They hardly mentioned that at the start of WWE's version of ECW Knox and Kelly Kelly were dating and he was refusing to let her strip for the fans. In fact, they pretty much flushed the storyline down the toilet right when CM Punk beat Knox.

 

Joey has mentioned that Knox is Kelly's ex-boyfriend, so they aren't completely avoiding the subject. But I know what your getting at

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The Rockers being advertised as former WWF Tag Team Champions during their breakup.

 

Bret Hart repeatedly saying he was undefeated in cage matches going into his match with Diesel at In Your House.

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They really hyped up Andre-Hogan at WM3 as their first encounter ever...that was a major one.

 

I wonder when the decision was made to "start" the WWF clock at WM I or whatever. Interestling enough, when Hogan came back at the start of his face run Backlund confronted him during a promo and brought up Hogan's heel past!

 

That promo is on the Hulk Still Rules set.

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What's amazing is how well the brainwashing campaign worked. It's amazing the number of people, even smarks, who have no idea that Hogan had repeatedly body-slammed Andre on several occasions in the past.

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I have said Bret v. Shawn ladder match. They put it on another tape with a couple of really shitty matches like Bushwackers and MOM against Booger, Bam Bam and the Headshrinkers, HBK v. Duggan - Lumber Jack Match, Taker vs. Kamala - casket match, and the Razor vs. 1-2-3 Kid 10,000 dollar match.

From the tape WWF's Most Unusual Matches tape.

[Guest]

I haven't watched it in so long, I didn't remember whether it was HBK or Yoko. Wasn't a particularly great match.

 

But the tape doesn't have Taker v. Kamala on it, that's another one.

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I haven't watched it in so long, I didn't remember whether it was HBK or Yoko. Wasn't a particularly great match.

 

But the tape doesn't have Taker v. Kamala on it, that's another one.

Nah it's cool.

 

I feel like a dick a lot when I correct someone.

 

The Razor/Kid match is one of my favs when I was younger. It's just non stop for six minutes till Kid steals the bag.

 

I'm a mark for matches w/ alot of near-falls.

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=K4IOgD-Jkis

 

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What's amazing is how well the brainwashing campaign worked. It's amazing the number of people, even smarks, who have no idea that Hogan had repeatedly body-slammed Andre on several occasions in the past.

When they weren't old enough to see it then and there's little video footage, it's easy. The only two Hogan/Andre matches I've seen prior to Wrestlemania III come thanks to WWE's own dvd library.

 

I don't mind it. Andre was an easier person to slam in 1980 than in '87. It was six or seven years prior anyway, and it is not like Hogan had pinned Andre in those matches.

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The most common one is: "I have NEVER seen (insert babyface here) submit in a match before"

 

going in to WM13, didn't Steve Austin say something to the effect that he's never given up in his whole life? I'm almost positive I've seen bleach blonde Sting force Stunning Steve Austin to submit to the Scorpion Deathlock. Maybe not? But hey, two different guys there!

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The most common one is: "I have NEVER seen (insert babyface here) submit in a match before"

 

going in to WM13, didn't Steve Austin say something to the effect that he's never given up in his whole life? I'm almost positive I've seen bleach blonde Sting force Stunning Steve Austin to submit to the Scorpion Deathlock. Maybe not? But hey, two different guys there!

 

I'm pretty sure Austin's past in the industry was kayfabed into his Stone Cold character though (past will Pillman, 8 Long F'n Years, ect)

[Black Lushus 0]

see that's where it gets fuzzy because they mention numerous times his friendship with Pillman and he's bitched about "previous treatment" before, as you said. Gotta love revisionist history.

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Austin gives up to the Sharpshooter in possibly the worst Hart/Austin match you'll ever see on the Coliseum release "World Tour 1996". spman gave me that tape as a gag... it's AWFUL. Anyway, though I was way off on my guesing how many people had access to the Coliseum tapes Smack Em Wack Em / Most Unusual Matches, by 1996 I'm pretty sure about 20 people tops were able to find this tape so I can forgive them for acting like the match doesn't exist.

[Steve J. Rogers 0]

I know dark matches don't count, but apparantly Eddie Guerrero beat Goldberg in a dark match before "The Streak" was officially recongized.

[Steve J. Rogers 0]

Oh and lets not forget the numerous times a wrestler lost some stipulation that causes him to no longer wrestle or be off TV and no attempt is made to reconcile the "agreement"

 

Worse example is Curt Hennig losing a loser leaves town match, only to return the next week!

 

BTW, I kind of stopped following for a while, but since Stephanie mentioned her marriage to HHH in the Benoit tribute, is it now kayfabed that the "characters" are still married DESPITE the divorce papers being signed in 2004 or so?

[Steve J. Rogers 0]

Early-2001: After JR gets beatdown by Austin, he tells Vince Shane has offered him a job in WCW.

Mid-2001: JR is rooting for the WWF headed by Austin and Vince.

 

Also both JR and Jericho made disparaging comments about WCW as if the reasons for them (JR and Y2J) leaving WCW are still very much a part of the WCW in the Invasion storyline.

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During the whole "Rock has never beaten Austin at Wrestlemania." thing, noone (not even The Rock) bothered to mention that Austin cheated outragously and stole the the second match.

[Matt Young 0]

During the whole "Rock has never beaten Austin at Wrestlemania." thing, noone (not even The Rock) bothered to mention that Austin cheated outragously and stole the the second match.

 

He didn't cheat. It was no DQ.

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I know dark matches don't count, but apparantly Eddie Hector Guerrero beat Goldberg in a dark match before "The Streak" was officially recongized.