The Old School questions thread

[Internet Warfare 0]

Nasties were in the Wargames. Wow, I didnt know that,

[Lil' Bitch 0]

1.) Did the Legion of Doom ever face Demolitions when they were faces too (when they still used Rick's theme) ?

 

2.) What happened to Rick Rude following SummerSlam 1990?

 

3.) How long were Savage and Miss Elizabeth really married before they got "married" at SummerSlam 1991?

 

4.) How did the Natural Disasters form and break-up?

 

5.) How did Chris Jericho turn heel the first time?

[JHawk 0]

1.) Did the Legion of Doom ever face Demolitions when they were faces too (when they still used Rick's theme) ?

 

Probably not, since LOD's debut was at a June taping and they were basically kepy apart until SummerSlam.

 

2.) What happened to Rick Rude following SummerSlam 1990?

 

They were building toward the Rude-Bossman feud, but Rude's contract ran out and he didn't re-sign, so Jack Tunney "suspended" him.

 

3.) How long were Savage and Miss Elizabeth really married before they got "married" at SummerSlam 1991?

 

Can't remember the source I got it from, but I want to say they were married in December 1984.

 

4.) How did the Natural Disasters form and break-up?

 

As far as I remember, Jimmy Hart simply announced Tugboat was now Typhoon on Prime Time Wrestling. Not much fanfare at all. There was no official breakup, although it was teased at the 1993 Royal Rumble.

 

5.) How did Chris Jericho turn heel the first time?

 

WCW circa 1998, right? I can't remember where it became official (I want to say injuring Rey Misterio Jr.'s knee at Souled Out was the clincher), but he'd been throwing temper tantrums after a series of losses. He'd usually destroy Dave Penzer's suit, buy him a new one as an apology, then destroy that suit after the loss. Then came Souled Out.

[tbondrage99 0]

I heard that Bruno Sammartino had the WWE, then WWWF, World title for a total of about 12 years. I know he had two reigns has champion so how long where they each?

[JHawk 0]

Bruno's first reign: May 17, 1963 through January 18, 1971.

 

Bruno's second reign: December 10, 1973 through April 30, 1977.

[tbondrage99 0]

Thats freckin nuts, you'll never see a title run like that again.

 

Why did Eddie Gurrero form The LWO & speaking of The LWO whatever happened to it?

[cawthon777 0]

Why did Eddie Gurrero form The LWO & speaking of The LWO whatever happened to it?

IIRC, it had something to do with Eddie claiming Bischoff was blackballing him.

 

It was probably killed because it actually got over with the fans and wasn't supposed to.

[cawthon777 0]

4.) How did the Natural Disasters form and break-up?

WWF @ Tucson, AZ - Convention Center - May 28, 1991

WWF Superstars - 6/15/91:

Earthquake & WWF Tag Team Champions the Nasty Boys defeated Tugboat & the Bushwhackers when Tugboat turned on his teammates, allowing Jerry Sags to pin Butch

 

They never really broke up. I think Earthquake left in January 93 then Typhoon stuck around for a few months before doing the same. When Earthquake left again in the spring of 94 ("at the hands of Yoko and Crush"), Typhoon came back to attempt to gain revenge on Yoko. ...So basically he was monster heel fodder. Did some jobs to Diesel as well in 94.

[landy1987 0]

4.) How did the Natural Disasters form and break-up?

WWF @ Tucson, AZ - Convention Center - May 28, 1991

WWF Superstars - 6/15/91:

Earthquake & WWF Tag Team Champions the Nasty Boys defeated Tugboat & the Bushwhackers when Tugboat turned on his teammates, allowing Jerry Sags to pin Butch

 

They never really broke up. I think Earthquake left in January 93 then Typhoon stuck around for a few months before doing the same. When Earthquake left again in the spring of 94 ("at the hands of Yoko and Crush"), Typhoon came back to attempt to gain revenge on Yoko. ...So basically he was monster heel fodder. Did some jobs to Diesel as well in 94.

an update to that match Graham, which I emailed you about a few days ago

 

WWF @ Tucson, AZ - Convention Center - May 28, 1991

WWF Superstars taping:

6/15/91:

Earthquake & WWF Tag Team Champions the Nasty Boys (w/ Jimmy Hart) defeated Tugboat & the Bushwhackers at 4:05 when Earthquake pinned Luke with a sit-down splash after Tugboat attacked both of his teammates; after the match Tugboat embraced with his new friends (Tugboat continued wrestling under this gimmick until the bout was televised)

[tbondrage99 0]

I know originally the WWE had a cage like they do now for cage matches, my question is when did they switch from the mesh cage orginally to the blue steel cage and what match was it when they switched back to the mesh one?

[cawthon777 0]

The blue cage was around, IIRC, from 88 to 98.

[landy1987 0]

I know originally the WWE had a cage like they do now for cage matches, my question is when did they switch from the mesh cage orginally to the blue steel cage and what match was it when they switched back to the mesh one?

I believe the first time the blue bars cage was used at WrestleMania 2, and was the cage used mostly from then on (except one time in the Boston Garden in 3/88 for a six man tag cage match)

 

They first used the mesh cage (on TV anyway) on Raw in Feb/March 99 (can't remember participants, maybe X Pac and Shane?) They used the blue/black bars cage after this for the McMahon/Austin cage match at Massacre and I'm sure I remember another one with Mideon and the Boss Man before Mania 15. Also they used the blue bars cage for the infamous Kennel From Hell match. I don't recall ever seeing the blue/black bars cage anytime after Unforgiven 99, except it could have been used at house shows

 

EDIT:

 

Actually, having just wrote this post up I found this, which is quite interesting:

 

The Raw brand house show in Philadelphia, PA on May 22nd was considered a let down. The show sold less then 4,500 tickets in a very competitive market for the company. The show ended up with a decent draw at $150,000 but several people still couldn’t get over how empty the Wachovia Center was. Although those backstage in WWE are claiming that the show was hurt by the Flyers in game seven of the NHL’s Eastern Conference finals.

 

The next night’s house show in Moline, IL was considered to be much more of a let down. Not only were fan reports very negative about the turnout, the show only did around 2,000 paid with a draw of $70,000.

 

There was also some negative talk about the cage that they used in Philadelphia for the Chris Jericho vs. Tyson Tomko match. Apparently the company used an old blue squared one from the Hulk Hogan era. However, they used a “newer” one the next night in Moline.

Edited May 26, 2004 by landy1987

[JHawk 0]

IIRC, the kayfabe reason they created the blue bar cage was because they were afraid that with 460 pounds of King Kong Bundy hitting the cage that it might collapse and give Bundy the cheap victory. Obvious bullshit, as Andre the Giant had done cage matches with Kamala and Big John Studd before that. In reality, it was used under the belief that the wider bars would make the match come off better on TV.

[Guest MikeSC]

IIRC, the kayfabe reason they created the blue bar cage was because they were afraid that with 460 pounds of King Kong Bundy hitting the cage that it might collapse and give Bundy the cheap victory. Obvious bullshit, as Andre the Giant had done cage matches with Kamala and Big John Studd before that. In reality, it was used under the belief that the wider bars would make the match come off better on TV.

The real reason was that the blue cage was easier for Hogan to climb for his entrances and exits.

-=Mike

[JHawk 0]

Which brings up an interesting question, actually.

 

Most of the time in the WWF, the steel cage match was won by climbing the cage. The notable exception was Bob Backlund, who almost always escaped through the door.

 

Can anybody think of any non-Backlund W/WWF/E cage matches that ended with the door escape?

[Australian Pride 0]

Did Chris Jericho win his cage match with X-Pac a few yaers ago by going through the door. I kinda remember X-Pac getting crotched on the door and think Y2J slid out then. Not sure though.

[Guest MikeSC]

Which brings up an interesting question, actually.

 

Most of the time in the WWF, the steel cage match was won by climbing the cage. The notable exception was Bob Backlund, who almost always escaped through the door.

 

Can anybody think of any non-Backlund W/WWF/E cage matches that ended with the door escape?

Has a heel EVER won by going over the top?

-=Mike

[Australian Pride 0]

Has a heel EVER won by going over the top?

I think during his early days as world champ HHH beat the Rock on one of the UK pay-per-views (Rebellion in 99 if my memory serves me correctly) by going over the top.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Can anybody think of any non-Backlund W/WWF/E cage matches that ended with the door escape?

 

Muraco / Snuka

 

Lita / Victoria

[cawthon777 0]

Actually, escaping over the top was very rare until the mid 80s.

[Betty Houle 0]

Which brings up an interesting question, actually.

 

Most of the time in the WWF, the steel cage match was won by climbing the cage.  The notable exception was Bob Backlund, who almost always escaped through the door.

 

Can anybody think of any non-Backlund W/WWF/E cage matches that ended with the door escape?

Has a heel EVER won by going over the top?

-=Mike

Savage beat the Warrior this way. Babyfaces won cage matches so many more times...it's hard to think of heels winning cage matches back in the day.

[Guest Arnold_OldSchool]

Bruno walked out the door vs Steele, Koloff, and Zybysko, to name a few

[deancoles 0]

Can anybody think of any non-Backlund W/WWF/E cage matches that ended with the door escape?

I have a Piper/Rude match that ends with Piper knocking out Rude with some Brass Knucks and walking out the door.

[cawthon777 0]

Some door escapes.

 

I don't have any specifics from the 60s but, with the cage they were using then, I doubt anyone was doing much climbing.

 

 

 

WWWF @ Pittsburgh, PA - Civic Arena - August 22, 1975

WWWF World Champion Bruno Sammartino defeated Spiros Arion in a steel cage match by escaping through the door at 8:20

 

WWWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - December 15, 1975

WWWF World Champion Bruno Sammartino defeated Ivan Koloff in a steel cage match by escaping through the door at 9:39 after sending the challenger into the corner of the cage; this was the first steel cage match ever held at MSG

 

WWWF @ Pittsburgh, PA - Civic Arena - November 12, 1976

WWWF World Champion Bruno Sammartino defeated Stan Hansen in a steel cage match by escaping through the door

 

WWF @ Boston, MA - Boston Garden - April 21, 1979

Bruno Sammartino defeated Peter Miavia in a steel cage match by escaping through the door after ramming Miavia into all four corners of the cage

 

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - Septmber 24, 1979

WWF World Champion Bob Backlund (w/ Arnold Skaaland) defeated WWF IC Champion Pat Patterson in a steel cage match at 16:43 by kicking Patterson off him and escaping through the door

 

WWF @ Pittsburgh, PA - Civic Arena - June 13, 1980

Bruno Sammartino defeated Larry Zbyszko in a steel cage match by escaping out the door

 

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - April 6, 1981

WWF World Champion Bob Backlund defeated Stan Hansen in a steel cage match by escaping through the door at 8:59

 

WWF @ Baltimore, MD - Civic Center - December 26, 1981

Tony Atlas defeated Don Muraco in a steel cage match by escaping out the door after Muraco missed a dive off the top of the cage

 

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - June 28, 1982

WWF World Champion Bob Backlund defeated Jimmy Snuka in a steel cage match at 15:10 by avoiding a lunge from the challenger and escaping through the door after Snuka missed a splash off the top of the cage

 

WWF @ Landover, MD - Capital Centre - July 23, 1983

Andre the Giant defeated Big John Studd in a steel cage match by escaping through the door at 15:21 after a bodyslam and sit-down splash off the top

 

WWF @ Boston, MA - Boston Garden - October 1983

WWF IC Champion Don Muraco defeated Jimmy Snuka in a steel cage match when a headbutt from Snuka sent Muraco tumbling out the door

 

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - October 17, 1983

WWF IC Champion Don Muraco defeated Jimmy Snuka in a steel cage match at 6:46 when a flying headbutt from Snuka sent Muraco tumbling out the door; after the bout, Snuka scaled the cage and hit a splash off the top onto the prone champion, 15 feet below; the challenger and champion were escorted to ringside by Buddy Rogers and Capt. Lou Albano, respectively, but the managers returned backstage before the match began

 

WWF @ St. Louis, MO - Kiel Auditorium - April 6, 1984

WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan defeated Big John Studd in a steel cage match by escaping through the door

 

WWF @ Toronto, Ontario - Maple Leaf Gardens - October 21, 1984

Andre the Giant defeated Kamala in a steel cage match by escaping the cage through the door following a sit-down splash off the top rope

 

WWF @ Boston, MA - Boston Garden - February 8, 1986

Bruno Sammartino defeated Roddy Piper in a steel cage match at 8:40 by escaping through the door after beating Piper off him with a wooden chair; prior to the bout, Piper came to the ring wearing a Chicago Bears SuperBowl t-shirt and taped posters of William Perry and Jim McMahon to the sides of the cage

 

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - July 12, 1986

Prime Time Wrestling - 7/28/86: Bruno Sammartino & Tito Santana defeated WWF IC Champion Randy Savage & Adrian Adonis in a steel cage match at 9:51 when Sammartino left through the door as Santana escaped over the top

 

WWF @ Detroit, MI - Cobo Hall - May 3, 1987

WWF IC Champion Ricky Steamboat defeated Randy Savage in a steel cage match after Savage accidentally threw the champion out the door

 

WWF @ East Rutherford, NJ - Meadowlands - July 9, 1987

George Steele defeated Danny Davis in a steel cage match by escaping through the door

 

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - October 16, 1987

Superstar Billy Graham defeated Butch Reed in a steel cage match by escaping the cage through the door after hitting Reed with his own brass knuckles

 

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - December 28, 1989

Roddy Piper defeated Rick Rude (w/ Bobby Heenan) in a steel cage match at 12:55 by knocking Rude out with brass knuckles, which were thrown to Rude by Heenan, and leaving through the door; both men simultaneously hit the floor by escaping over the top at 8:09 but the match was ordered to continue

 

WWF @ Denver, CO - February 11, 1990

Roddy Piper defeated Rick Rude in a steel cage match by escaping through the door

 

WWF @ Chicago, IL - Rosemont Horizon - February 18, 1990

Roddy Piper defeated Rick Rude in a steel cage match by escaping out the door, despite interference from Bad News Brown earlier in the contest

 

WWF @ Portland, ME - Civic Center - February 27, 1991

Jake Roberts defeated Earthquake (sub. for Rick Martel) in a steel cage match by escaping through the door after delivering two DDTs after 14 minutes

 

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - August 13, 1993

WWF World Champion Yokozuna defeated Bret Hart in a steel cage match at 25:00 by escaping through the door after Jerry Lawler interfered and threw salt into Hart's eyes

 

WWF @ White Plains, NY - Westchester County Civic Center - August 17, 1993

WWF Superstars taping:

WWF IC Champion Shawn Michaels (w/ Diesel) defeated Marty Jannetty in a steel cage match at 13:13 by escaping through the door while the challenger was busy fighting off Diesel as he attempted to scale the cage

 

WWF @ San Francisco, CA - Cow Palace - August 20, 1993

WWF World Champion Yokozuna defeated Bret Hart in a cage match after Mr. Fuji threw salt in Hart's eyes, allowing Yoko to leave through the door

 

WWF @ Augusta, ME - December 15, 1993

Wrestling Challenge taping:

WWF World Champion Yokozuna (w/ Mr. Fuji) defeated Bret Hart in a steel cage match at 18:19 by escaping through the door after Mr. Fuji threw salt into the challenger's eyes as he attempted to escape over the cage

 

WWF @ Evansville, IN - July 25, 1995

WWF Superstars taping:

Bret Hart defeated Hakushi in a steel cage match by escaping through the door after executing a superplex off the top of the cage

 

WWF @ Philadelphia, PA - CoreStates Spectrum - May 18, 1996

WWF World Champion Shawn Michaels defeated Diesel in a steel cage match by escaping through the door after hitting the superkick

 

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - May 19, 1996

WWF World Champion Shawn Michaels defeated Diesel in a steel cage match by escaping through the door after hitting the superkick; after the match, Razor and Helmsley returned to the ring and embraced with the two participants before Razor and Diesel departed for WCW (Diesel's last match in the WWF for nearly 6 years)

 

WWF @ Detroit, MI - Cobo Hall - March 8, 1997

WWF World Champion Psycho Sid defeated Bret Hart in a steel cage match by escaping out the door as Hart attempted to escape over the top

 

WWF @ Worcester, MA - Centrum - March 10, 1997

Monday Night Raw taping:

Dark match: WWF World Champion Psycho Sid defeated Bret Hart in a steel cage match when the champion escaped through the door moments before Hart escaped over the top

 

WWF @ Syracuse, NY - War Memorial - March 17, 1997

Raw is War:

WWF World Champion Psycho Sid defeated Bret Hart in a steel cage match by escaping through the door; the match saw interference from both Steve Austin, who wanted Hart to win so their match at WrestleMania would be for the world title, and the Undertaker, who made sure Sid kept the belt; after the match, Bret Hart shoved Vince McMahon to the mat when McMahon attempted an interview and uttered several obscenities on live TV

[cawthon777 0]

Has a heel EVER won by going over the top?

-=Mike

Yes, just not very often.

 

 

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - January 21, 1991

Randy Savage (w/ Sensational Sherri) defeated the Ultimate Warrior in a steel cage match at 10:33 by escaping over the top while the Warrior was distracted by an interfering Sensational Sherri, who entered through the door and climbed the cage to choke Warrior with her clothing; after the bout, Savage was able to escape the cage after a number of referees and the Nasty Boys restrained Warrior; moments thereafter, Warrior hit the gorilla press slam on Sherri

 

WWF @ Pittsburgh, PA - Civic Arena - March 16, 1991

WWF World Champion Sgt. Slaughter (w/ Sensational Sherri) defeated the Ultimate Warrior in a steel cage match after Warrior slammed the champion's head into the cage as both men attempted to climb over the top, causing Slaughter to fall to the floor

 

Rebellion '99 - Birmingham, England - National Indoor Arena - October 2, 1999

WWF World Champion Triple H (w/ Chyna) defeated the Rock in a steel cage match by escaping over the top as an interfering Davey Boy Smith brawled with the challenger inside the cage; the match also saw interference from Chyna

 

WWF @ ? - June 11, 2001

Raw is War:

Kurt Angle defeated WWF Tag Team Champion Chris Benoit in a steel cage match at 14:31 by escaping over the top after Steve Austin, who was doing guest commentary for the bout, slammed the cage door into Benoit's face as Benoit attempted to leave; after the bout, Austin brutally attacked Benoit with approximately 20 chair shots to the ribs, back, legs, and chest

 

WWF @ Lowell, MA - November 3, 2001

WWF Tag Team Champions Booker T & Test defeated the Undertaker & Kane in a steel cage match when Shawn Stasiak interfered and helped Booker escape over the top; after the match, Stasiak sustained a double chokeslam from the challengers

 

WWF @ Bridgeport, CT - November 4, 2001

WWF Tag Team Champions Booker T & Test defeated the Undertaker & Kane in a steel cage match when Shawn Stasiak interfered and helped Booker escape over the top; after the match, Stasiak sustained a double chokeslam from the challengers

 

WWE @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - September 20, 2003

WWE Smackdown! World Champion Brock Lesnar defeated the Undertaker in a steel cage match at 18:20 by escaping over the top after Vince McMahon interfered and prevented the challenger from leaving the cage

[Lil' Bitch 0]

WWF @ Syracuse, NY - War Memorial - March 17, 1997

Raw is War:

WWF World Champion Psycho Sid defeated Bret Hart in a steel cage match by escaping through the door; the match saw interference from both Steve Austin, who wanted Hart to win so their match at WrestleMania would be for the world title, and the Undertaker, who made sure Sid kept the belt; after the match, Bret Hart shoved Vince McMahon to the mat when McMahon attempted an interview and uttered several obscenities on live TV

 

WTF? Didn't the Undertaker slam the cage door into Bret Hart's head? I could have sworn Sid won by going over the top.

[cawthon777 0]

I do make mistakes. If anyone can confirm one way or the other that would be appreciated.

[landy1987 0]

when did the WBF debut and end? and why exactly and how much hype was put into it? very strange I was watching a tug of war with WBF and WWF stars the other day and thankfulyl the WWF team of Ric Flair, Skinner, Berzerker, Money Ince (and maybe someone else) won

[Papacita 0]

WWF @ Syracuse, NY - War Memorial - March 17, 1997

Raw is War:

WWF World Champion Psycho Sid defeated Bret Hart in a steel cage match by escaping through the door; the match saw interference from both Steve Austin, who wanted Hart to win so their match at WrestleMania would be for the world title, and the Undertaker, who made sure Sid kept the belt; after the match, Bret Hart shoved Vince McMahon to the mat when McMahon attempted an interview and uttered several obscenities on live TV

 

WTF? Didn't the Undertaker slam the cage door into Bret Hart's head? I could have sworn Sid won by going over the top.

I'll see if I can find the tape a little later on just to make sure, but yeah I'm almost positive he went over the top.

[tbondrage99 0]

I was watching my Hulk Still Rules DVD again today, and theres something bugging me that I just have to find out about. In one of the clips from Tuesday Night Titans, Leaping Lanny Poffo recited a poem for us, has he did all the time as The Genuis, but for some reason he was wearing a suit of armor. Why the hell was he wearing a suit of armor??? And also when did Tuesday Night Titans start, and when was it put to death?