Vyce Posted October 17, 2003 Report Posted October 17, 2003 Seriously, there is a HUGE difference between what RVD is pulling in with WWE than what he could on the indy circuit (and that includes TNA). Granted, he's reportedly miserable which could play a factor in him leaving. Well, someone above listed some actual figures to consider. If he were to make $2,000 an indy appearance (a figure I'm sure he could ask for and receive), and make that much each week with TNA, that's $4,000 a week if he works the TNA taping as well as, say, one indy date a weekend. Factor in possibly a few Japanese dates a year, and he could potentially make a very respectable living outside of the WWE - without the more stressful schedule or unpleasant atmosphere. This belief that someone can't make a living outside of the WWE is a myth. For someone like Paul London, perhaps there's some truth to that, but to guys like RVD or Raven with some positive name recognition? They can definitely get by.
Guest Choken One Posted October 17, 2003 Report Posted October 17, 2003 Let's not forget he could make easy quick money doing DTV movies and shit... RVD has alot of options unlike the Kanyons and Storms of the wwe...
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted October 17, 2003 Report Posted October 17, 2003 RVD has been the most over recently. Goldbergs pops now don't rival RVDs from 6-8 months ago. Goldberg was a draw in the late 90's. He hasn't been a draw now. No one has. Yeah, because pops 8 months ago (it's more like 12, but whatever) will help a ton NOW. Compare this with Goldberg who went from getting booed from 90% of the crowd during and immeadiatly following Backlash, to the crowd on Monday were it was about 80/20 in his favor. Goldberg has done the one thing his critics said he couldn't: Built his heat without a ton of monster squashes.
cabbageboy Posted October 17, 2003 Report Posted October 17, 2003 Goldberg may have had 80% for him and 20% against him, but RVD has about 99% for him and 1% against him at the shows.
Jobber of the Week Posted October 17, 2003 Report Posted October 17, 2003 Goldberg may have had 80% for him and 20% against him, but RVD has about 99% for him and 1% against him at the shows. More like 90/10. I know I'm not the only guy out there who thinks RVD's workrate is boring, though I don't deny he's a draw more or less. I'd say he's far more likely to get TNA a TV deal than Hogan.
The Ghost of bps21 Posted October 17, 2003 Report Posted October 17, 2003 I think they're talking about crowd reaction. One out of every 5 places WWE goes Goldberg gets booed...and that doesn't happen to RVD.
NoCalMike Posted October 17, 2003 Report Posted October 17, 2003 it is only a matter of time until Goldberg jobs the title back to HHH and when that happens you can bet your ass Goldberg won't be that over anymore, yet with RVD he is always over enough and most of the time, just a big win away from being mosnter over.
Guest TheGame2705 Posted October 17, 2003 Report Posted October 17, 2003 I for one am not an RVD fan but I can say I would mark out if he went to TNA. Goldberg's contract is running up in March and you KNOW if Goldberg hears word of somewhere else to work he'd probably do it. Goldberg, Hogan, and RVD could do it for TNA but ONLY if they make money by getting more advertising. Hogan's definitely expensive but a step in the right direction.
Guest JacK Posted October 17, 2003 Report Posted October 17, 2003 RVD in TNA . . . Dude, that'd be sick! That I would love, no doubt about it. It'd be cool, although in a different way to Raven, it cant match the moment he debuted, I had no inkling at all that Raven would be there. And to all you peeps who hate RVD; he entertains the vast majority of people who watch RAW! That's what he's supposed to do!
eirejmcmahon Posted October 17, 2003 Report Posted October 17, 2003 Rikishi stalled on his contract too - it makes sense to play a little hardball but I'd be stunned if he (RVD) doesn't resign with the WWE.
eirejmcmahon Posted October 17, 2003 Report Posted October 17, 2003 But what is special about RVD, besides the fact that he can support himself without the WWE, is that he is a star capable of not only main-eventing, but also turning a company around. If he got into TNA, got a real good push (not just the world title, but booked correctly), he could not only land TNA a tv deal, but also lure a lot of disgruntled wrestlers away from the WWE. I like RVD as a performer but I think you're seriously overstating his abilities here.
KTID Posted October 17, 2003 Report Posted October 17, 2003 I really have nothing to add to this thread, except if RVD leaves WWE, it'll be the happiest day of my life.
Guest Coffey Posted October 17, 2003 Report Posted October 17, 2003 I really have nothing to add to this thread, except if RVD leaves WWE, it'll be the happiest day of my life. Would that statement hold true if he left the business completely?
KTID Posted October 17, 2003 Report Posted October 17, 2003 Of course not. Yet again, he won't leave the business because he loves it (because he's an actual wrestler, unlike say...Goldberg, for example).
Guest TheGame2705 Posted October 17, 2003 Report Posted October 17, 2003 Of course not. Yet again, he won't leave the business because he loves it (because he's an actual wrestler, unlike say...Goldberg, for example). How is RVD a wrestler and Goldberg isn't?
KTID Posted October 17, 2003 Report Posted October 17, 2003 Goldberg would rather not be wrestling, or as he sees it 'rolling around in his underwear'.
Ripper Posted October 17, 2003 Report Posted October 17, 2003 RVD has been the most over recently. Goldbergs pops now don't rival RVDs from 6-8 months ago. Goldberg was a draw in the late 90's. He hasn't been a draw now. No one has. Yeah, because pops 8 months ago (it's more like 12, but whatever) will help a ton NOW. Compare this with Goldberg who went from getting booed from 90% of the crowd during and immeadiatly following Backlash, to the crowd on Monday were it was about 80/20 in his favor. Goldberg has done the one thing his critics said he couldn't: Built his heat without a ton of monster squashes. But when RVD is given something to do, he gets those same pops now(The pos during the Christian Ladder match beat those that Goldberg gets now) RVD got his massive pops without a push, while it has taken Goldberg beating the top guy in the company and a constant push to get him to 80/20. And I personally think they should keep the belt on Goldberg, but give Rob something of intrest to do. A real fued.
The Ghost of bps21 Posted October 17, 2003 Report Posted October 17, 2003 If RVD left the business altogether I'd be happier than with him in the WWE. If only because he's quickly and not quietly becoming more and more bitter as time goes by.
Austin3164life Posted October 17, 2003 Report Posted October 17, 2003 RVD vs. AJ Styles would be an entertaining feud to see for the NWA World Title, after all the Hulkamania passes.
Guest Choken One Posted October 17, 2003 Report Posted October 17, 2003 No it wouldn't. Styles is just a boring persona, RVD would outclass Styles... It's like putting The Rock with Hardcore Holly...
Austin3164life Posted October 17, 2003 Report Posted October 17, 2003 Are you speaking about in-ring persona? If you are, then perhaps you're right, but RVD's persona/character certainly isn't compelling in itself.
Guest Choken One Posted October 17, 2003 Report Posted October 17, 2003 Charisma of course, Styles is just bland as they can be...RVD is a very charismatic person be in front of 1000 in a bingo hall or 70000 in toronto.
Nevermortal Posted October 17, 2003 Report Posted October 17, 2003 Styles > > > > > > > > > > > RVD in nearly every which way. RVD couln't hold Mr. Jones' jock.
BoboBrazil Posted October 17, 2003 Author Report Posted October 17, 2003 Dave Sherer on the no name show says that RVD doesn't plan to resign. That is the reason he opened up the comic book store. According to friend of RVD he plans to just run his store and maybe wrestle 1 or 2 days a week for another company and maybe a Japanese tour once in awhile unless Vince offers something really good for him to resign, but Dave doesn't see that happening since everyone that has resigned lately has had to take a major paycut.
Corey_Lazarus Posted October 17, 2003 Report Posted October 17, 2003 If Rob were to be let go, he'd be fine. Why? Well, I'll answer that with an example: Raven. Raven left WWE, and has made more money, wrestled his own schedule, and gotten in the best shape he's been in in years. He's almost as happy with his career now as he was during his first ECW run. And Rob Van Dam is a bigger name right now than Raven is. Imagine the attention RoH and/or TNA would get if RVD worked shows for them? He'd be able to name his own price, book his own shows, and make enough money to live comfortably (providing he doesn't pull a Heyman with it and be forced to file Chapter 11).
humongous2002 Posted October 17, 2003 Report Posted October 17, 2003 Vince better offer Rob more money and a main event spot with a world title reign included instead of paying a lot of cash on old has beens or no talented wannabe(Shitberg) wrestlers that haven't done anything to make WWE a force to be reckoned with.
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted October 17, 2003 Report Posted October 17, 2003 RVD has been the most over recently. Goldbergs pops now don't rival RVDs from 6-8 months ago. Goldberg was a draw in the late 90's. He hasn't been a draw now. No one has. Yeah, because pops 8 months ago (it's more like 12, but whatever) will help a ton NOW. Compare this with Goldberg who went from getting booed from 90% of the crowd during and immeadiatly following Backlash, to the crowd on Monday were it was about 80/20 in his favor. Goldberg has done the one thing his critics said he couldn't: Built his heat without a ton of monster squashes. But when RVD is given something to do, he gets those same pops now(The pos during the Christian Ladder match beat those that Goldberg gets now) RVD got his massive pops without a push, while it has taken Goldberg beating the top guy in the company and a constant push to get him to 80/20. And I personally think they should keep the belt on Goldberg, but give Rob something of intrest to do. A real fued. Goldberg did beat the top guy on RAW. But he's been mishandled for 90% of his tenure and he's still over.
The Ghost of bps21 Posted October 17, 2003 Report Posted October 17, 2003 Rob Van Dam continues to pull no punches, regarding his status in the WWE. He has conducted another interview at www.WLIE.com, in which he makes more of the same comments on how he feel's he is being treated. As reported earlier, WWE officials plan to offer an contract extension to RVD's current deal with the company, but talks have not yet begun, and with the current diluge of negativity that RVD has been expressing recently, this may not come to fruition as RVD may decide to go elsewhere to work for the future. From theTorch by way of Lords of Pain. That is true (what was said above) about the paycut thing...I hadn't even considered that.
Guest Trevor567 Posted October 17, 2003 Report Posted October 17, 2003 Who knows if the thing about wrestlers taking paycuts would apply to RVD. I guess it all depends on how badly WWE wants to keep him and how TNA will be doing by next summer. I'm not sure if everybody has taken paycuts when renewing their deals. I believe they may have given Rikishi a slight raise. So I wouldn't be surprised if WWE offered him a huge amount of cash. Ofcourse, that doesn't guarantee him sticking around.
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