Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted January 8, 2004 How can you even have this discussion without the Browns/Jags game from 01? The refs broke the rules of instant replay to take the ball away from a driving Browns team and gave it back to the Jags. Then tried to end the game with 50 seconds left. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlwaysPissedOff 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2004 FOUR POINT PLAY. 'Nuff said. God, I had to be restrained from breaking the goddamned TV with a baseball bat when that happened. One of the worst NBA calls I've seen in recent memory. As for Browns/Jags... fuck the Browns Also, the phantom Interceptaverde TD had me checking my veins to make sure I hadn't done any crack in the last 20 seconds... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MillenniumMan831 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2004 How can you even have this discussion without the Browns/Jags game from 01? The refs broke the rules of instant replay to take the ball away from a driving Browns team and gave it back to the Jags. Then tried to end the game with 50 seconds left. AMEN to that! It also cost Cleveland a shot to potentially go to the playoffs. Needless to say, the fans were not pleased. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2004 Hey wait a minute....what's the 4-point play? Newbie here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2004 Hey wait a minute....what's the 4-point play? Newbie here. A basic 4-point play is when a player gets fouled while hitting a 2 pt shot, then proceeds to nail his subsequent two free throws The specific play in question I believe refers to Larry Johnson against the Pacers in the '99 Eastern Conf Finals, but I've never seen it (that was the spring/summer I lacked a TV), so someone else would have to explain why it was bogus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlwaysPissedOff 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2004 Hey wait a minute....what's the 4-point play? Newbie here. A basic 4-point play is when a player gets fouled while hitting a 2 pt shot, then proceeds to nail his subsequent two free throws The specific play in question I believe refers to Larry Johnson against the Pacers in the '99 Eastern Conf Finals, but I've never seen it (that was the spring/summer I lacked a TV), so someone else would have to explain why it was bogus A 4-point play is when you're fouled after making a 3-pointer and then hitting the FT. As for the infamous play itself, the Knicks were down 3(?) and had possession of the ball with little time left. Larry Johnson gets the ball and launches up a desperation 3 with a Pacer running at him. LJ hits it and then the ref on that side of the court calls a BS foul on the guy who ran at LJ(he didn't touch him at ALL, much like the phantom foul called on Wally Zerbiack(spelling) TWICE in the 1st round of the Western Conf. playoffs last year(one when some backup PG was going for a lay-up, and the other when Kobe shot a 3 pointer). LJ shoots the FT, makes it, and the Knicks go on to win the series. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2004 Hey wait a minute....what's the 4-point play? Newbie here. A basic 4-point play is when a player gets fouled while hitting a 2 pt shot, then proceeds to nail his subsequent two free throws The specific play in question I believe refers to Larry Johnson against the Pacers in the '99 Eastern Conf Finals, but I've never seen it (that was the spring/summer I lacked a TV), so someone else would have to explain why it was bogus A 4-point play is when you're fouled after making a 3-pointer and then hitting the FT. Goddamn basketball rules I'm going back to football Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Secret Agent 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2004 Well there was this past Sugar Bowl. Can't remember when it was...but that was a fucking fumble! LSU got hit and fumbled the god damn ball and the ref ruled it a dead ball. That kind of pissed me off. You mean where the LSU receiver CAUGHT the ball, turned to run, and got hit like 2 steps later. Falls to the ground and the ball pops out of his hands, OU recovers... but NOOOOO that was an "Incomplete" pass. Let me ref the next bowl game OU is in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drury37 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2004 No pass interference call and the New York Football Giants 2002 season ends JUST TERRIBLE!!! Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2004 No pass interference call and the New York Football Giants 2002 season ends JUST TERRIBLE!!! Thanks. I'm a Giants fan and I could not freakin beleive the call last year with the non call for pass interference. The linemen who was interfered with was even made an eligible receiver earlier that day to the officials, and they still don't make the call even though he was dragged down to the ground on a catchable ball. The thing that made it worse was the fact that the league apologized for it the next day admitting they were wrong. Meanwhile it does nothing for the Giants lost season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JHawk 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2004 How can you even have this discussion without the Browns/Jags game from 01? The refs broke the rules of instant replay to take the ball away from a driving Browns team and gave it back to the Jags. Then tried to end the game with 50 seconds left. AMEN to that! It also cost Cleveland a shot to potentially go to the playoffs. Needless to say, the fans were not pleased. The fact that the NFL didn't so much as slap the referees on the wrist for that one made it even worse. The fact that the exact same play happened in the Bears game a couple of weeks before that...where they got it right and it went against Cleveland...made it even worse that even worse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2004 How can you even have this discussion without the Browns/Jags game from 01? The refs broke the rules of instant replay to take the ball away from a driving Browns team and gave it back to the Jags. Then tried to end the game with 50 seconds left. What exactly happened here? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ANKLELOCK 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2004 The coin toss catastrophe from 98 Lions/Steelers was just AWFUL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Bottled Black Report post Posted January 9, 2004 No pass interference call and the New York Football Giants 2002 season ends JUST TERRIBLE!!! Thanks. I'm a Giants fan and I could not freakin beleive the call last year with the non call for pass interference. The linemen who was interfered with was even made an eligible receiver earlier that day to the officials, and they still don't make the call even though he was dragged down to the ground on a catchable ball. The thing that made it worse was the fact that the league apologized for it the next day admitting they were wrong. Meanwhile it does nothing for the Giants lost season. I'm a huge Giants fan and ya know what I couldn't even get to pissed about that non-call I was more pissed about the fact they never should have been in that position in the first place. God Damn prevent defense... Without a doubt the stupidest scheme I have ever seen. They should rename it here gain huge chunks of yardage and a free touchdown.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JHawk 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2004 How can you even have this discussion without the Browns/Jags game from 01? The refs broke the rules of instant replay to take the ball away from a driving Browns team and gave it back to the Jags. Then tried to end the game with 50 seconds left. What exactly happened here? The Browns were driving down 5 (I think). They got a first down, spiked the ball, then the referees said they were going to review it. They literally spent five minutes reviewing it with everybody except the referees wondering what the hell was going on. As far as anyone knew, the Jags coach wanted intentional grounding called for a fake spike because Couch appeared to double clutch. Instead, the pass that got the first down was ruled incomplete, and since it was a fourth down play, ball to Jacksonville and game basically over. And Browns fans threw shit on the field (which I don't agree with, but fuck them if they're going to change the rules in midstream). The replay showed the referee looking at his buzzer as Tim Couch was spiking the ball, which was apparently close enough. THe referee said "I thought I was buzzed in time." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted January 9, 2004 How can you even have this discussion without the Browns/Jags game from 01? The refs broke the rules of instant replay to take the ball away from a driving Browns team and gave it back to the Jags. Then tried to end the game with 50 seconds left. What exactly happened here? Basically replay rules say if a team runs another play you can't go back and review the previous one. The Browns ran a play and the play by the rules wasn't reviewable after that. They reviewed it anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2004 Zerbiack Aren't those the cookies that babies eat? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2004 As an offshoot of APO's post... Back when Szczerbiak was at Miami (Ohio) they played my Falcons in the Mac Championship to qualify for the NCAA tournament. Well...a phanton foul on BG at the end of the game (it may have even been OT...or double OT for that matter) sent Wally to the show...where he led Miami deep and became a top prospect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2004 NBA playoffs 2002 Kings@Lakers: The game is tied with under a minute to go. Bibby is guarding Kobe for the inbound. Kobe then just lays out Bibby with a forearm in order to break free. Whistle blows aaaaaaaaand........Kobe Bryant is shooting free throws!?! WTF They called a foul on Bibby's face for getting in the way of Kobe's arm. Yeah, I can't believe I didn't mention that one. Hell, you could take just about any call from that whole quarter and put it in this thread. Also, more beauties from the Pacers/Knicks, this time the 1994 ECF game 7, all in the final minute: Dale Davis dunks to give us the lead and is fouled by Ewing (which would have been 6), no call. A while later, Ewing dunks a Starks miss, which is clearly basket interference, giving them the lead back. And to top it all off, when Reggie tries to intentionally put Starks on the line, he gets hit with a flagrant to ensure that no pesky small-market team from the midwest makes the finals. It's all good though...Mr. 2-18 in NBA Finals Game 7 would pay with *his* tears later on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest gthureson Report post Posted January 9, 2004 1993, Maple Leafs vs. Kings, Campbell Conference final, Game 6: With the Leafs holding a 3-2 series lead, the two teams were battling in overtime of game 6 when Kings C Wayne Gretzky caught Leafs C Doug Gilmour in the face with a high stick, drawing blood. This should have been an automatic four-minute penalty to Gretzky, but referee Kerry Fraser, who forgot his white cane in the dressing room, made no call. Gretzky would score the game-winning goal not two minutes later, while he should have been serving the penalty, and scores a hat trick in game 7 to advance to the Stanley Cup final against Montreal, depriving Canadians of one last chance to see a Montreal-Toronto Cup final before the Leafs would move to the Eastern Conference. Fraser would admit ten years later that he blew the call. The was the only time I have ever cursed Wayne Gretzky. 2nd worst playoff call in hockey that I can remember. The first is of course the "no goal" goal. But in the back of everyone's mind, you knew that Buffalo would somehow find a way to get screwed over. Hard luck city, I tells ya. *sigh* What everybody, and I mean everybody, seems to forget is that Doug Gilmour should not have even have been playing in that game. Game 6, behind the LA net a small scuffle ensues after the whistle goes. Gilmour and McSorley start jawing at each other, then lock up. Nothing really going on, but linesman and the ref are converging. McSorley has no plan to beat the ever-lovin' crap out of Gilmour, so its just a jaw-fest, right? No. Gilmour decides to HEAD-BUT McSorley. What is the call on this play? Nothing. Why? Because the rule book is quite clear that the correct call is a match-penalty. Which means ejection from Game 6 and an automatic 5-game suspension. Very clear on what happened. Behind the net, only Gilmour and McSorley, on national television with the officials right around. Gilmour should have been gone from game 7, never around to get clipped by Wayne. But somone, this is always forgotten by Leafs fans. Worse call is Oilers-Flames in 1989. Mike Vernon is knocked sorta loopy on a play, I think by Tikkanen, and is down in his crease. On the delayed penalty, Bearcat Williams, the Flames trainer, jumps the boards, runs down the ice, barely missing an Oiler coming back on the play, to check on Vernon. The Flames score, and somehow, the fact that the Flames trainer is running down the ice is not, at the very least, an 'too-many men' penalty, or some kind of stoppage in play due to random idiot running down the ice. No call. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2004 Does anyone else remember this phantom headbutt? Because I certainly don't, and I've never found any mention of it it in any account of that series. Also, you've got your games mixed up. The Gretzky high-stick was in Game 6. I don't know what game this headbutt would have been in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Just Looking Report post Posted January 9, 2004 How about the pass interference in the Fiesta Bowl between Miami and Ohio State? I'm surprised no bitter Hurricanes fan has mentioned it yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2004 in 2000 the Redskins were also knocked out of the playoffs after the refs decided to break the instant replay rule and let a challenge go through after an extra point had already been kicked. Oh and by knocked out of the playoffs I meant, they would have finished 9-7 and went to the playoffs, instead they finished 8-8. UGH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest gthureson Report post Posted January 9, 2004 Does anyone else remember this phantom headbutt? Because I certainly don't, and I've never found any mention of it it in any account of that series. Also, you've got your games mixed up. The Gretzky high-stick was in Game 6. I don't know what game this headbutt would have been in. Game before the Gretzky high-stick. Watch the game footage for Gilmour's head-BUTT. It doesn't get mentioned because, well, Leafs fans don't like mentioning it. They'd rather cry about Gilmour getting clipped. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2004 Does anyone else remember this phantom headbutt? Because I certainly don't, and I've never found any mention of it it in any account of that series. Also, you've got your games mixed up. The Gretzky high-stick was in Game 6. I don't know what game this headbutt would have been in. Game before the Gretzky high-stick. Watch the game footage for Gilmour's head-BUTT. It doesn't get mentioned because, well, Leafs fans don't like mentioning it. They'd rather cry about Gilmour getting clipped. Apparently, the sports media doesn't like mentioning it, either, because I could find no mention of the headbutt in either the Toronto Star or L.A. Times sports archives. Surely someone would've mentioned it, since it would've been a bit of a sticking point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drury37 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2004 As happy as it made me, the Giants really got screwed on the refs. waiving off the pass interference penalty at the end of their playoff game last year. I think the league appologized for that one. I am a huge Giants fan and I almost broke my television at the end of that game. I never was so pissed off about a call before and it was a terrible way to end a season!!! Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2004 in 2000 the Redskins were also knocked out of the playoffs after the refs decided to break the instant replay rule and let a challenge go through after an extra point had already been kicked. Oh and by knocked out of the playoffs I meant, they would have finished 9-7 and went to the playoffs, instead they finished 8-8. UGH. was that the end of Schottenheimer er was that the next year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted January 10, 2004 As happy as it made me, the Giants really got screwed on the refs. waiving off the pass interference penalty at the end of their playoff game last year. I think the league appologized for that one. I am a huge Giants fan and I almost broke my television at the end of that game. I never was so pissed off about a call before and it was a terrible way to end a season!!! Thanks. Even if Pass Interference was called it wouldn't have mattered. Lineman Down Field, penalties would have canceled eachother out, game over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drury37 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2004 No pass interference call and the New York Football Giants 2002 season ends JUST TERRIBLE!!! Thanks. I'm a Giants fan and I could not freakin beleive the call last year with the non call for pass interference. The linemen who was interfered with was even made an eligible receiver earlier that day to the officials, and they still don't make the call even though he was dragged down to the ground on a catchable ball. The thing that made it worse was the fact that the league apologized for it the next day admitting they were wrong. Meanwhile it does nothing for the Giants lost season. I remember when they apologized and I wanted both team to go to Tampa Bay and if the Giants made the kick they stayed and if they missed the kick the 49ers stayed it would have been unreal!!! Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drury37 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2004 As happy as it made me, the Giants really got screwed on the refs. waiving off the pass interference penalty at the end of their playoff game last year. I think the league appologized for that one. I am a huge Giants fan and I almost broke my television at the end of that game. I never was so pissed off about a call before and it was a terrible way to end a season!!! Thanks. Even if Pass Interference was called it wouldn't have mattered. Lineman Down Field, penalties would have canceled eachother out, game over. NOT SO FAST MY FRIEND!!! A game cannot end off setting penalties therefore they would have had a chance to try to kick the field goal again and would have had another chance to win it!!! Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
