The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2004 Because...honestly...they can't call it Americas anymore. Unless the intention was "The America's" which would include the U.S., Mexico and Canada... But that's not what they meant. I think it was called "America's X Cup" because an American won the Super X Cup tournament (Sabin). Mexico, Japan, Canada and England were also represented...so I think that's why it was called America's cup. But now AAA holds it...so I'm going to call it Mexico's X cup until they lose it. ANYWAY... "TNA's Team Canada will likely consist of Teddy Hart, Jack Evans, Harry Smith and Petey Williams. They will have matches against Team Mexico which will consist of Juventud Guerrera, Hector Garza, Abismo Negro & Mr. Aguila. Their matches will be taped for the 3/10 TNA PPV. TNA seems set to feature lots of X division matches on their once a month taped PPVs. Credit: PWInsider.com" I assume it'll be the same format (which I actually found interesting). But what makes this cool to me is the fact that none of these guys are TNA wrestlers (at least not anywhere near regulars...with only Juvi making more than a couple appearances). For some reason that's just cool to me...and makes the idea of the X Cup seem a little cooler to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tawren 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2004 Evans and Harry = yay, although TJ Wilson > both and should be there. I really am trying to be mad about Teddy making the trip, but holding a grudge is hard work...grrr. Haven't seen anything from Williams, although I've heard good things. Sounds promising. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted February 19, 2004 See THIS is what TNA needs to do. This makes TNA look like they are a company based on "wrestling". If they continue with ideas like this, they will be a true "alternative" to the WWE. Now I know, I am not trying to "jump the gun" on this one, so if they quit doing this then please ignore these comments. But TNA could really be on to something as this saves them money(by doing taped shows), and is a smart idea to get the smarks to watch their programming. I would consider that most people are like me, and if the show looks weak they don't order. But if it's a good looking card, I would be more inclined to order. Also, if they have spoilers on the internet and the show is getting a decent buzz then I will order it. Spoilers can be used as a marketing plan, especially for people that order to see wrestling and give the cold shoulder to the storylines. This seems to be more or less what the "true" TNA fans are looking for. Thus for fans who only order the taped shows and enjoy them, then I am sure people will order the live ones because of their pleasure over the product. So IMHO, I think that this could really be a good idea, just as long as they don't give up on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2004 1wrestling says it won't be Harry Smith in the group. They say it's Johnny Devine. I don't know who that is...but I will say that it doesn't surprise me at all since Smith has said previously that he doesn't want to work TNA because he thinks it'll hurt his chances to get into the WWE someday. I don't understand his logic...but it makes sense that he won't be part of team Canada. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeDirt 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2004 I think it's a really cool idea - It's also a ballsy move, since like you said none of these guys are TNA regulars, and it seems like the Canadian team will be played as heels this time, so it'll be interesting if we hear a buyrate for this one, or if they try and add stars like Jarrett, Raven and Styles to the show (even if it's just for an interview or whatever) to appeal to their more markish fans. Should be fun, though. I still need to see the AAA vs. TNA show! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tawren 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2004 1wrestling says it won't be Harry Smith in the group. They say it's Johnny Devine. I don't know who that is...but I will say that it doesn't surprise me at all since Smith has said previously that he doesn't want to work TNA because he thinks it'll hurt his chances to get into the WWE someday. I don't understand his logic...but it makes sense that he won't be part of team Canada. Devine >>>>>>>> Smith. Awesome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2004 Here's a bio I found on Petey Williams (just cause unlike Evans and Hart I don't know anything about him): http://www.bordercitywrestling.com/bio_williams.htm Here's a nice article with info on Devine: http://slam.canoe.ca/SlamWrestlingBiosD/de...johnny-can.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SamoaRowe 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2004 This show sounds awesome and gives me yet another wrestling event to look forward to Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2004 It's going to be quite the week in semi-sports. March 10: Mexico's X Cup March 13: Mosley/Wright, Mesi/Jirrov on HBO Boxing March 14: A little show...called...WrestleMania XX Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2004 Don't forget ROH on March 13th. Sounds like a great show for TNA though. Will they be doing this every month?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2004 And ROH. That makes it an amazing week of wrestling for people going to that show. It seems that TNA will do something like this once a month. I don't think it will always be an X Cup thing...nor do I think it should be since it would probably get old pretty quick. But I think they'll be having some kind of special show once a month that will be more of a showcase for talent than storyline driven. They need to have stuff that people want to see those weeks because it is pretaped...and everyone can find spoilers. Plus...everyone can use a break from there storylines. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phoenix Fury Legdrop 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2004 I've actually seen Petey quite a few times, including a live match at IWA Mid-South in January, and outside of a motivated Juvy, he's probably the best worker in the whole thing (unless Teddy and/or Evans start building on their reps that I hear everything about, but see none of), and my second favorite worker in the D'Amore camp (Alex Shelley being numero uno). As long as Petey doesn't get too inNOVAtive with his moves (and to his credit, I'm probably giving him too much crap since the only non-sensical move he uses is the spinning neckbreaker out of the suplex position), he'll probably give a breakout performance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted February 19, 2004 The only problem TNA has to fix (indirectly) is so there is no Audio/Video difficulties like last time. Or I recommend people to order the replay since everything's fixed by then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest OSIcon Report post Posted February 19, 2004 I got the impression that they were going for "North America/South America" when naming it the "Americas" X-Cup. There is no need to make America plural otherwise. Canada, the US, Mexico, Central American, and South America are refered together as the "Americas" which is what I took it as. So in that case, it still is the Americas X-Cup because Mexico is part of North America. Anyway, as for this next one, it is questionable putting these young Stampede workers against AAA wrestlers. None of them have really worked a true lucha stlye before, so it will be interesting to see how they mix. Although a Teddy/Juvi rematch would be the obvious choice for one of the singles matches, I wouldn't mind seeing Juvi/Jack Evans, just because Juvi is by far the best AAA worker on the show and could probably make the most out of Evan's talents while not exposing him. The eight man should be real good (that seems like a given wth these cup tournaments). The whole cup idea is probably my favorite idea TNA has had so far. It gives off a legitament sports feeling which is always nice and you get to see some fresh match ups. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2004 I'm almost positive they'll do a Hart vs. Juvi rematch since their first match was much talked about. I'd almost prefer that they didn't, as well...since the elimination match will probably come down to them and then they could have a fresh pairing there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Astro101 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2004 When they started I was under the impression that it was for all of the Americas, anyway. One nitpick...there's Team TNA, AAA, and Canada? I think they should either have all organization names or just change TNA to Team USA and AAA to Team Mexico. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michrome 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2004 I love the idea of all these shows with great matches for the taped ones...assures a lot of internet buys, even though you'd usually lose out on those with a taped show. One of the few smart things TNA has done in the last year, honestly. Now we just need to get Team Japan, Team RoH, etc in there. This could end up being a really fun interpromotional gig. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2004 Amen to that. This X Cup thing is the only thing TNA has done to make themselves different from WWE in any way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Metal Maniac 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2004 I think that it would probably help to shuffle around the format a bit. Like, perhaps each team, instead of having 4 members, could have 6, and then the team captains could choose the final 4 for the elimination match, based on their performance in the earlier matches. That way, you could have a few underlying storylines to the matches to add a bit more interest. Like, matches are now not only for points, but for the privilege of being in the final, and you could have things where a team captain might not like a given wrestler on his team and leave him out of the final, even though he's the best wrestler they have. I think you could get a good storyline out of that after the tournament. Hell, you could even just have two guys picked as subs, and then, just before the final match, someone is found laid out in the locker room, leaving Heel (X) to take his place. From there of course, you would find out he was the one that did it, and if he ended up losing the match...heat baby, fucking heat. Also, it means that they don't have only 8 guys to work with (I think that was the biggest problem with the first one, and the reason for a number of repeated spots) so guys can each wrestle less matches, and you never really know what the final match will be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoboBrazil 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2004 Damn that abysmal negro. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2004 This is great news. The taped shows might be the best thing to ever happen to TNA. It allows them to give their storylines a rest for a week (which have been terrible) and showcase good X-division wrestling was some of the top names in the world. Now, they just need to start touring out of the Asylum at least once a month because their live shows are dead and only concerned with ICP... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustJoe2k5 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2004 I wouldn't mind seeing them have a Japanese team put into the mix against Team AAA, and possibly debuting the Six-Sided Ring for the finals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest hebtheeagle Report post Posted February 24, 2004 You think they might consider having a X division country tournament. USA, Mexico, Canada, IWA Puerto Rico, any other suggestions? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chunk 0 Report post Posted February 24, 2004 You think they might consider having a X division country tournament. USA, Mexico, Canada, IWA Puerto Rico, any other suggestions? I cant see it hapening, based solely on the expense of flying people in from all over the world. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mecha Mummy 0 Report post Posted February 24, 2004 Depends. Would flying people out for two weeks outweigh the money saved by only doing three live shows a month? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nikowwf Report post Posted February 25, 2004 This sounds very cool. I don't see why they couldn't do a big tournament if it was only a one time thing....maybe up the price of the PPV $5? (makes it seem more special too) Or put it on a different night? niko Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted February 25, 2004 Depends. Would flying people out for two weeks outweigh the money saved by only doing three live shows a month? I can't say for sure, but I would imagine so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mecha Mummy 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2004 Depends. Would flying people out for two weeks outweigh the money saved by only doing three live shows a month? I can't say for sure, but I would imagine so. I'd think so too, so bringing out four Japanese wrestlers wouldn't be a problem. I'd also like to see a Team Britain but I don't know if that'd really be any good since Fleisch has retired and the only British guy who I can think of who fits the X Style is Jonny Storm. Anyone else I'm forgetting? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted February 25, 2004 Depends. Would flying people out for two weeks outweigh the money saved by only doing three live shows a month? I can't say for sure, but I would imagine so. I'd think so too, so bringing out four Japanese wrestlers wouldn't be a problem. I'd also like to see a Team Britain but I don't know if that'd really be any good since Fleisch has retired and the only British guy who I can think of who fits the X Style is Jonny Storm. Anyone else I'm forgetting? Yea, I don't think that Britian could put out a four man team that wrestles the X division style. I know (obviously) Doug Williams could help, but he doesn't wrestle that style. Fleish would rock, but he's done. Like you said Storm would be a good addition, but still it would be a one man team. I think the X-Cup that EVERYONE would be waiting for TNA vs. Japan, as well as their best bet. But honestly I don't know if they would even be able to bring in quality workers. But I heard that they were going to bring in some talent from Osaka Pro, which would be helpful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest j.o.b. squad Report post Posted February 25, 2004 Depends. Would flying people out for two weeks outweigh the money saved by only doing three live shows a month? I can't say for sure, but I would imagine so. I'd think so too, so bringing out four Japanese wrestlers wouldn't be a problem. I'd also like to see a Team Britain but I don't know if that'd really be any good since Fleisch has retired and the only British guy who I can think of who fits the X Style is Jonny Storm. Anyone else I'm forgetting? Yea, I don't think that Britian could put out a four man team that wrestles the X division style. I know (obviously) Doug Williams could help, but he doesn't wrestle that style. Fleish would rock, but he's done. Like you said Storm would be a good addition, but still it would be a one man team. I think the X-Cup that EVERYONE would be waiting for TNA vs. Japan, as well as their best bet. But honestly I don't know if they would even be able to bring in quality workers. But I heard that they were going to bring in some talent from Osaka Pro, which would be helpful. perhaps just widen it to team europe i am sure there are enough fliers in europe to field a team of 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites