A wrestler's take on RF...

[JoeDirt 0]

From wrestlingobserver.com

 

Dave's note: This is a letter I received from a current name wrestler. I'm aware of who the person is, but for obvious reasons, has asked not to be identified. The views are his and don't necessarily reflect the views of anyone else.

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As unpopular as it may be, I want to be one of the first and only people to defend Rob Feinstein. Unfortunately, I am forced to remain anonymous. Why? Because I am currently employed as a wrestler by the WWE and I fully believe that if I were to reveal my true identity, I would certainly face prejudice and discrimination directed at myself from fans, other wrestlers and the WWE in general. That is just the way things are, and for now, I am willing to accept that. But, with that being said, I plead with you: stop seeing Rob Feinstein as a pervert and start seeing him as he really is. A Victim.

 

Now, I am not going to say Rob is without fault. For a man who is 32 years old, fooling around with a 14 year old is illegal. No Doubt. Immoral? That is for each individual to decide. But do not decide it based on what society tells us is moral or immoral. Base it on how you would react in a similar situation in a similar condition.

 

Now, based on the transcripts of the chat, there is a pretty good chance that had Brandon actually existed and looked like he did in whatever picture Perverted-Justice.com. sent to Rob (which for some reason they have not revealed to the public), than maybe Rob would have fooled around with Brandon. But than again, maybe he would not have. We will never know, and maybe Rob himself doesn't really know. If you review the transcript, Rob obviously had doubts as to if he should pick up Brandon or not. Now maybe this doubt was based on the fear of possible police entrapment, but maybe it was based on the guilt of wanting something that he knows he should not have, like the guilt someone who is dieting has when desiring a desert. Obviously, cheating on a diet and dealing with homosexual tendencies which could be illegal are 2 very, very different things. But we must ask ourselves, how different are they? In both instances, you know they are wrong but you may not be able to resist. Does that make you evil? I do not think so. I think it makes you a victim. A victim of nature, a victim of your own predetermined tendencies, and a victim of the pressures of society. But not evil. Just a victim of circumstances that you cannot control..

 

Now lets look at what Rob did. And what he did not do. He did not fool around with a 14 year old boy. And if you closely review the transcripts, there is absolutely no indication that he ever has been with any underage boys. It seems that he has had a live-in boyfriend for the past 2 years or so whom it appears Rob was faithful to, whom he even tells Brandon in the chat that he loved and supported. The employee of Perverted-Justice.com loved pointing out in the chat every little lie Rob said, but if you really look at the chat without bias, Rob was actually a lot more honest than you would expect a closeted, successful semi-famous business man to be. He told Brandon about his ex boyfriend, his feelings for him, how much it hurt him when he left him, his profession, his name, his early experiences with homosexuality and how difficult growing up in and currently living in a very anti-gay society was for Rob. If you can get past your own prejudices against homosexuality, and get past your knee-jerk reaction of Rob is a sick child molester and really read the chat, than I think Rob comes across as a troubled young guy looking for companionship after a rough breakup. Throw in the fact that Rob feels he had to be closeted based on societies prejudice, and I am sure he has some mental and emotional issues that clouded his judgment. I am sure I am in the minority here, but after reading the transcript and seeing the news footage, I felt horrible for Rob. This was not a victimless crime. The victim, however, I feel was Rob.

 

But we get back to the facts of the situation. Rob did drive 40 miles to pick up someone he knew was 14 to possibly or probably fool around with. Sexual contact with anyone, male or female, under the age of 16 or 18, depending on the country and/or the state you are in, is illegal. So Rob was, apparently or possibly, willing to break a law. But how immoral is that? Just think about it for a second objectively. Try and eliminate your prejudices against homosexuality and against Rob, and what society tells us is right and wrong. At 14 you are a freshman in high school. And, if I am going to be objective, I must admit that most 14 year olds look very young as opposed to 16 and 18 year olds who begin looking like young adults. At 14, most children look like a child, as opposed to a young adult. But, we never got to see the picture of Brandon. He may have looked older and more mature. He definitely sounded older and mature to Rob, and he even said to Rob that he can easily pass for 18 or older. That does not take away from the fact that Rob knew he was 14, but it helps you understand, to some extent, what Rob's mindset might have been.

 

At 14, like I said, you are a freshman in high school. I know when I was 14, I was making serious and important choices about life, my goals and about sex and alcohol and drugs. I was old enough to understand what I was doing and I knew the consequences of my actions. So how immoral is it, if at the age of 14, I want to experiment sexually with a 32 year old? And how different is it morally, if that 32 year old is a female or a male? We all know it is illegal. But what is the age that you really understand something like sex and sexuality? Is it 16 or 18, like the law says, or is it 15 or 14 or 13? Is there that big of a difference between being 17 years, 364 days old and 18 years old? It is just 1 day, but society has determined that that 1 day is the difference between legal and illegal and in some people's minds between moral and immoral. Just because something is illegal, does not necessarily make it immoral, and vice-a versa.

 

Do not be sheep. Be a shepherd and determine for yourself, without prejudice and bias, just how immoral Rob Feinstein is. I know I have, and I know that I am almost certainly in the minority, but I do not think Rob is immoral. I think he is a troubled young guy probably with many issues, and he is a victim, but in my opinion, not immoral. I feel for him and I hope he has the strength to get thru this.

[Vyce 0]

What a load of shit.

 

Rob, a victim because of the society we live in, which doesn't openly accept homosexuality?

 

99% of the people who criticze Rob aren't doing it because he's gay - no one gives a shit if he's homosexual or not, it makes no difference to anyone (unless, of course, he's lying about his ex-partners, as Hijinx has claimed). It's the fact that he's messing around with underage boys that has everyone up in arms. Whomever this is really sidesteps that. "Yeah, I know that's bad but......uh.....14 year olds are really mature these days...."

 

Anyone want to venture a guess as to who this may be?

[bob_barron 0]

Eddy Guerrero, Nunzio and Paul London are WWE wrestlers who worked for ROH.

 

Tajiri is good friends with Rob. I know Steven Richards was at Glory by Honor 2

[JoeDirt 0]

It's gotta be HHH...afterall, he doesn't think steroids are bad either, and are the same thing as lifting weights.

 

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

I'm going to go be a victim later and try to score with some kids!

[Michrome 0]

Just terrible...shameful. This is the epitome of fuzzy thinking, and I can't imagine what it's like to have a mind that works this way. Rob is a victim? Jesus fucking christ. Gabe Sapolsky is a victim. Doug Gentry is a victim. Every worker in the locker room is a fucking victim thanks to Rob Feinstein.

[Guest Jay Z. Hollywood]

It's probably London considering his ROH ties and his relative youth (as in life experence/naivete), and if it is, my respect for London has just dropped about 100 notches.

 

Of the workers Bob named, Tajiri's English isn't strong enough to write something like that, and Eddy is a father so I can't imagine him saying that. Could be Nunzio, I dunno.

Edited March 22, 2004 by DuskTillDawn

[Michrome 0]

Yes it is Dusk. He speaks fine english, and can definitely write. He kayfabed people for years on not speaking english, but he speaks it fine. Plus, Dave said a "name" wrestler, and London sure as hell ain't a name.

[Zack Malibu 0]

Could be Dreamer, maybe feeling the need to stick up for an old friend in RF? Tommy's a genuinely nice guy, but if it were him, maybe his carefree attitude caused him to look at this in an entirely (and in my opinion, untrue) fashion. RF's a sick fuck, and there's no beating around it.

[Nevermortal 0]

Whoever wrote this should go die.

[Guest Jay Z. Hollywood]

Yes it is Dusk. He speaks fine english, and can definitely write. He kayfabed people for years on not speaking english, but he speaks it fine. Plus, Dave said a "name" wrestler, and London sure as hell ain't a name.

I didn't know that. Huh, thanks for the info, I appreciate it.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

Lets put it this way.

 

Was Preverted-Justice.com a little shady in it's dealings with RF?

YES

 

Was it wrong to try and trick RF like he was?

YES

 

Is it right to morally wrong to meet up and hangout with a 14 year old boy when your a 32 year old man?

 

Hell yes

 

What is worse, tricking someone/being shady in your dealings trying to catch a potential child molester or doing what RF did?

 

I think we all know the answer to this......RF is a sick ass and should forever be banashed from this sport. PERIOD

[LucharesuFan619 0]

I don't think it's London. He told a fan he saw outside of WrestleMania XX that he never wanted to see RF again after what he did. Tajiri, Dreamer, Richards, Eddie, Nunzio, etc. are all possibilities.

[Guest OSIcon]

I'm not surprised to see a veiwpoint like this and actually thought it would have come earlier. A lot of people when thinking about the law, think in terms of "Well, how wrong was it really" instead of thinking "The law's the law." I am a black and white kind of person so the fact that he broke the law is good enough for me without even getting into an issue of morality.

 

The only thing in the article that I can even see the point in, is that there isn't any evidence that Feinstein has done this before. He may of, he may have not, but there is no evidence from the conversation that he has. Of course, that is neither here nor there. You're a criminal whether you rob one bank or twenty banks.

 

I questioned how valid this is (I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone really do that so far), but I didn't realize it was from Meltzer. I trust that he checked into the validity of the email more than other websites would.

 

No idea who it could be.

[Youth N Asia 0]

You know, when he puts it like that I guess FUCK THAT PERVERT! I still don't buy that Robby was tricked into going to the house. Any time he could have just said no and blocked the name from his buddy list

[1234-5678 0]

My vote lies with "Born Again" Eddie Guerrero.

[Guest ToddRoyal]

My best guess is Stevie. I've heard from several people now that London want's nothing to do with RF, so I doubt it's him.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

There was an article in a recent issue of Rolling Stone magazine that had a cop who actually pretended to be a 14 year old boy (specifically) and specialized in dealing with people like Rob Feinstein. He described the type of person who does that sort of thing and its a must-read for anyone who 'cares' about this issue.

[geniusMoment 0]

My guesses would be Pat Patterson, Mel Phillips, Terry Garvin or possibly Tom Cole (victims repeat). If you do not know their story in the WWF consider yourself lucky.

[Zack Malibu 0]

I'm still waiting for the Bradshaw joke in here.

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

My vote lies with "Born Again" Eddie Guerrero.

Nah. Eddie wouldn't do something liek this to compromise his position in the company.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

My vote lies with "Born Again" Eddie Guerrero.

Nah. Eddie wouldn't do something liek this to compromise his position in the company.

I also doubt that his born again lifestyle would involve supporting a pedophile.

[Vyce 0]

I'm still waiting for the Bradshaw joke in here.

I thought about making one.

[LucharesuFan619 0]

If I had to go out on a limb and take a guess, I'd say Nunzio. He uses the Internet very often, has known Rob at least since '96 and maybe even earlier, was spotted hanging out with him backstage at ROH shows, etc. Plus, he's friends with Tajiri, so he very well may still keep in contact with RF. Tommy Dreamer is a possibility, too, and I don't know why anyone hasn't mentioned him. But if I had to guess, I'd go with Nunzio.

[Guest Jimbo]

My guesses would be Pat Patterson, Mel Phillips, Terry Garvin or possibly Tom Cole (victims repeat). If you do not know their story in the WWF consider yourself lucky.

you know you're going to have to tell us that sick tale after saying that, right?

[Zack Malibu 0]

If I had to go out on a limb and take a guess, I'd say Nunzio. He uses the Internet very often, has known Rob at least since '96 and maybe even earlier, was spotted hanging out with him backstage at ROH shows, etc. Plus, he's friends with Tajiri, so he very well may still keep in contact with RF. Tommy Dreamer is a possibility, too, and I don't know why anyone hasn't mentioned him. But if I had to guess, I'd go with Nunzio.

Ahem.

 

Look up a few posts.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

I'll vote none of the above. Fake I say, Fake!

 

But if it's real, I have no idea who it is, and would like that person a lot less.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

Wasn't there a fake letter sent into Meltz like last year? Everybody rushed to put all the clues together and most thought it was RVD? I forgot what the guy's name was but it was a pretty big deal. It was proabably the Scotsman or something, but I am interested in finding out who it was, if anyone knows what I'm talking about.

[JoeDirt 0]

Wasn't there a fake letter sent into Meltz like last year? Everybody rushed to put all the clues together and most thought it was RVD? I forgot what the guy's name was but it was a pretty big deal. It was proabably the Scotsman or something, but I am interested in finding out who it was, if anyone knows what I'm talking about.

That was Willy the Worker, sent to Scherer, I believe.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Wasn't there a fake letter sent into Meltz like last year? Everybody rushed to put all the clues together and most thought it was RVD? I forgot what the guy's name was but it was a pretty big deal. It was proabably the Scotsman or something, but I am interested in finding out who it was, if anyone knows what I'm talking about.

Damn AOL screwed my last post over, but JoeDirt got it right I think.

 

 

Willow The Wisp has the same initials as Willie The Worker. Jeff Hardy! I read the news on 411 a long time ago, wasn't it around Apirl or May last year? My minds fuzzy