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[NYU 0]

We already went over this. Unless they show somebody else in the next few episodes, the sixth member was likely Aaron. The promos for last week said the last member of the Oceanic Six would be revealed -- and it turned out to be Sun.

[Jaxxson Mayhem 0]

We already went over this. Unless they show somebody else in the next few episodes, the sixth member was likely Aaron. The promos for last week said the last member of the Oceanic Six would be revealed -- and it turned out to be Sun.

 

 

We didn't go over it, you might have, but I wasn't involved.

[NYU 0]

It was two pages ago. Perhaps one could read before one posts. It's not like I'm asking you to click on Page 132 to get your answer.

Edited March 17, 2008 by NYU'S Not A MOD

[Atticus Chaos 0]

The reason I don't think Jin is dead...

 

Obviously, Sawyer,rose, bernard, Locke, Claire, and some others didn't make it off and are presumed dead. They probably have gravestones too. But we know they can't all be dead because you're not going to kill off half your cast especially popular characters like sawyer and locke.

 

I think the gravestone is likely symbolic, and that Sun and Hurley go there to feel close to him. But they know he's not really in there. Yeah, it might not be entirely logical, but this is lost.

[Mik 0]

It's easy to say, well... it's not Aaron because he wasn't alive when the plane crashed.

 

But if there were six survivors, the people on the news wouldn't say..."Ok, here's the Oceanic 5 plus this baby here." So, I'm guessing it is Aaron.

 

I also think Locke is ANYTHING but presumed dead. It's been widely reported that season 6 is them going back to the island. I have no doubt that Locke will be fully entrenched as the boss of the island by that point.

[Atticus Chaos 0]

Yeah, I have this idea that Sawyer and the others are getting experimented on or something equally gruesome. Hence why Jack wants to go back.

[BlackFlagg 0]

Michael could be the sixth, he was revealed in that ep as well.

[Scroby 0]

About the whole Jin's tombstone thing. I'm assuming that maybe part of the story is that Jin was one of the 8 who survived the plane crash but is one of the two that died waiting for rescue.

 

For me right now finding out what excatly the cover up story is, is the thing I want to know the most. It's been talked about but not much of the story has really been confirmed. So far I think this is all what we know...or sorta know.

 

- 8 survived from the crash, 2 died while 6 were rescued.

 

- Kate somehow managed to be in one piece and took care of the 7 other survivors.

 

- Jack and Kate knocked boots on the island and might be saying Baby Aaron is there love child.

 

- The confirmed Oceanic 6: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun

 

- The Unconfirmed Oceanic 6: Baby Aaron

 

- Jin could be one of the 8 who died. (this is me assuming.)

 

Now here's another big question. Whose suppose to die? So far the only two people who I think we can safely assume it is, is Jin or Claire.

[Guest LuckyLopez]

If you want to take the most logical route and presume that the basic stuff we've been given is clear and true I think you can go this way. The Six are Jack, Kate, Sun, Hurley, Sayid, and Aaron. Jin and Claire are the other 2 of the 8 survivors that didn't make it, their stories perhaps being included in order to bring their bodies back (and thus Jin being in the grave and there being no symbolism involved in Hurley and Sun's visit). Aaron is not presented as Kate's son and there is no major coverup in that regard. He is presented as Claire's son, delivered before her death from the injuries/illnesses she received in the crash and island. Kate cared for him and became his surrogate mother. With Jack as his uncle and possibly his closest living relative (although that's based on nothing) his blessing for Kate to continue to care for him during her trial is enough, along with some basic watch and guard she's under anyway. Since she's remanded without bail he's not in her custody much of the time anyway.

 

But its Lost. Aaron could be the 6th because he was technically on that plane, but he was not on the manifest, did not have a seat, and depending on Australian law was not a person with legal rights. So if they want to they can have us presume Aaron the 6th until they wish to surprise us. Presuming you trust the ad that said we'd know the 6th then Michael or Jin could have been the 6th, Michael being "revealed" as still in the mix and Jin being "revealed" as making it home, in one way or another. Ben could also be the 6th since he has been revealed already and we only presume he isn't one of them.

 

All of this is working on a basic presumption that seems a mistake. Than the ABC ad was 100% truthful. Since these sort of teasers often overhype things or promise stuff they can't deliver, it seems reasonable to just believe that a TV spot shouldn't be taken as canon. It promised us the return of someone we never thought we'd see again when his name was in the credits, his son has been seen on the island, the actor's return was no secret, and who was widely speculated on as the man in the casket, Ben's spy, and their "friend." Awhile back I seem to recall one of those ads promising us the answers to Lost's biggest secrets only for us to get the answers to "Where did Jack get his tattoo?", "What happened to the flight attendant and the kids?", and "Where was that commune the Others lived in?" At the very least these ads play fast and loose with the episodes and are almost certainly done in post production by the network, and not the show makers. So to my thinking just presuming that the promise of the "last of the Six" is possible too much. But I'm cynical by nature.

 

Scroby, you did mention something I missed (and that has been suggested in the past) that the flash forwards could all be working backwards by design and continue to do so. I just left Sayid's out and said that Sun and Kate's could be swapped. But if you presume they're in reverse chronological order that timeline works perfectly thus far. And people have speculated that they would just tell the story backwards for a season or 2 until the flash forwards and "real time" come together.

[Jingus 0]

I'm gonna throw out a wild prediction here: the 6th is Jack's dad. Remember back in the Season 3 finale, when we had our first flash-forward of Jack in the future, but we didn't know it at the time? He talked about his father at least a couple of times as if he were alive and well. Like when someone accused him of being drunk, he said something to the effect of "Get my father down here right now, and I bet he's drunker than me". Remember the whole deal about his body going missing and Jack seeing visions of him, and he would fit in perfectly as the mystery body in the flashforward coffin whom nobody but Jack bothered to pay their respects to.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

But Jack claimed he was neither friend nor family of the deceased.

 

I'm going to throw my lot behind Michael as the final member of the O6. My reasoning will be spoilerized for a reason, so be forewarned before reading:

the person in the coffin is supposedly a member of the Oceanic 6, according to the article I posted a bunch of pages back. That would rule out Kate, Jack, Hurley (unless only 1/4 of him was in there), Sun (why be buried in LA?), Sayid (why be buried in LA) as coffin residents, leaving the final member as the corpse. Furthermore, that would rule out Aaron as a member, as well as anyone not on the original manifest (i.e. Ben, Juliette) as O6 members. I'd take Sawyer (he doesn't want to leave the island, plus Kate wouldn't go to the viewing?) and Locke (he's not leaving the island) out of the running, too. Who else would be logically left, keeping in mind that nobody wuold feel compelled to go to the viewing?

[The Amazing Rando 0]

The whole "it has to be a J name" thing is pretty much bullshit because of the few screenshots of the piece of paper Jack had at the end of Season 3. It has already been said that, just like a few other things on the show, it was just something from the prop department that just happened to be caught on camera.

 

 

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Whaaaaaaaaat? Was that Tom/Mr. Friendly?

 

EDIT: oh, prolly before he was killed on the island.

[HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0]

Tom is GAY? What?

[AmericanDragon 0]

Tom is GAY? What?

 

Since season 3.

[The Amazing Rando 0]

Remember, Michael got away from the island at the end of Season 2, and the submarine was still around until episode 13 of Season 3. That's plenty of time for all of this to take place and set up Michael getting on the boat before Naomi parachutes in.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Good episode for filling in some backstory, but HOLY SHIT THE NEW EPISODES COMING UP LOOK FUCKING AWESOME.

[Aero 0]

Tom is GAY? What?

 

Since season 3.

 

I suspected it when he told Kate that she's not his type.

 

 

[The Amazing Rando 0]

We still need to know how Ben ended up in Danielle's trap! dammit. I was hoping she'd at least still be alive to add her two cents into that story.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Also, the previews for the new episodes confirmed Aaron as an O6'er.

[Ravenbomb 0]

I'm sure Ben was there at the time as well, maybe he could shed some light.

 

Anywho, not a great episode, not sure if I like the ending. I'll hold off until the next episode before I weigh in on that, though. At least we get the skivvy on Mike all at once. All in all, an unspectacular but productive episode.

[Aero 0]

We still need to know how Ben ended up in Danielle's trap! dammit. I was hoping she'd at least still be alive to add her two cents into that story.

 

I was originally thinking that he was going to see Jack to convince him to do the surgery, but Ben doesn't seem stupid enough to fall into one of Danielle's traps. If he did get trapped on purpose, then Ben showed no hints of any specific plan.

 

I remember Paulo was hiding in the Pearl's bathroom when he overheard Ben & Juliette talking about convincing Jack to do the surgery, and the gist of the conversation was Ben saying he can make Jack do it himself by exploiting whatever he's emotionally invested in. That plan didn't seem to go into action until they captured Jack, Kate, and Sawyer, though.

 

So yeah, I'm still waiting for some answers on Ben's first appearance.

[Aero 0]

Is it official that it was Desmond not pushing the button that crashed the plane? It seems logical enough, but I don't remember it being fact. Does Widmore factor into the crash at all? I was under the impression that he only found the island at the same time Penny did at the end of Season 2 when Desmond hit the failsafe, but it seems that he planted the fake wreckage beforehand.

[Craig Th 0]

Part of the coverup or not - the date clearly IS WRONG.

 

It says 9/22/04 but it's approximately 12/26/04 on the show and he's still alive.

 

 

Which is why it is part of the coverup.

 

I don't think he was one of the 2 survivors, but was just someone who "died" in the crash. Which is why the date was Sept 22 2004. The day the plane went down.

 

Why would Widmore fake a plane crash then go on the Island just to kill everyone? Just for Ben? I don't get it.

 

[The Amazing Rando 0]

Part of the coverup or not - the date clearly IS WRONG.

 

It says 9/22/04 but it's approximately 12/26/04 on the show and he's still alive.

 

 

Which is why it is part of the coverup.

 

I don't think he was one of the 2 survivors, but was just someone who "died" in the crash. Which is why the date was Sept 22 2004. The day the plane went down.

 

Why would Widmore fake a plane crash then go on the Island just to kill everyone? Just for Ben? I don't get it.

 

 

Ben is a red herring in that aspect, except maybe that Ben can apparently communicate with the island. It appears Widmore wants the island because of it's strange properties.

 

 

And he has to kill everyone because in the real world they eventually find out that "only six people survived"

[Obi Chris Kenobi 0]

Is it official that it was Desmond not pushing the button that crashed the plane? It seems logical enough, but I don't remember it being fact. Does Widmore factor into the crash at all? I was under the impression that he only found the island at the same time Penny did at the end of Season 2 when Desmond hit the failsafe, but it seems that he planted the fake wreckage beforehand.

 

Pretty sure it was revealed in the Season2 ending, as he's going through the transcripts of the button pressing and sees the day he didn't make it back in time (the day he 'killed' Kelvin) was the day the plane crashed.

[Matt Young 0]

Yes, Chris is correct.

 

I heard rumors of a break between episode 8 and the rest of the season, but I hoped it wouldn't happen. Tonight was the first I heard of the break, after "Meet Kevin Johnson" ended. I was sad. 5 weeks till a new episode... fuck.

 

I can totally see why the producers said that the ending of episode 8 was not finale-esque. The episode as a whole was great, but the ending with Alex, Rousseau, and Karl was meh. I'm glad Karl died rather than someone who mattered, and I hope Danielle is still alive. That seemed up in the air to me.

 

Who was shooting them, anyway? Freighter people? (Lapidus was gone with the chopper) Or was it The Others? Did Ben send them there so that Danielle and Karl would be killed and he could win his daughter back without competition?

[Mik 0]

Apparently that was a different actor playing Walt last night. I certainly didn't notice.

 

So who does everyone really think dug of all the bodies in Thailand... Ben or Widmore?

[Craig Th 0]

I think MDK is a little too old now.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqI50FIq-wc

[Lord of The Curry 0]

I thought it was a solid episode but it veered too much on the 'Alias' side of things rather then Lost to make it anything special. Did a good job of filling in some blanks and it was cool seeing Tom again.

 

I'm thinking that Sayid made a big boo-boo turning Mike in to the captain. Makes me think of the flash-forward where Ben talks about "the last time he thought with his heart instead of his gun".

 

In terms of the time needed to get to the mass grave in Thailand Ben certainly had a head start. If you want to believe that the two dudes in the Arctic at the end of season two were working for Widmore Inc. (and not just Penny) then that means that Widmore has had since then to know about the island and organize the crash whereas Ben has had every minute since the plan went down.

 

One thing that totally pissed me off was them straight-up not mentioning how Michael and Walt actually got home. Did he pilot the boat into the NY harbor?