No Surrender

[zyn081 0]

According to Meltzer add Outlaw/Monty Brown vs. Killings/Konan and Naturals vs. Team Canada for the tag titles to make the card complete.

 

Looks like a good show and I expect a few suprises too.

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I have no problem with a 6 match card, cause it gives each match more time, but I must say that the 2 above mentioned tag matches were indeed expected.

 

I dont know when Shane and Shelly got together and am a bit disappointed that Shelly is getting the same treatment as Joe.

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Eh? Joe's undefeated in singles and being pushed as a monster, isn't he?

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Oooops, meant to type "... that Shelly isNT getting the ...". My bad.

[zyn081 0]

Perhaps, Styles Clash to Waltman, Lynn starts to count, stops at 2, Styles looks up and Lynn quickly hits a finisher on him, drags Waltman over styles and counts quickly. Could cut a promo the next night, with Lynn saying that he thought Styles was phenomenal but Waltman was right, he just an egostical selfish asshole who is only interested in he himself getting bigger at the expense of others. KotM was every man for himself, what gave Styles the right to expect Waltman to hand him the belt.

 

You dont think Team Canada will interfer in Petey's match? 

 

Maybe AMW lose, ableit barely, to them and one of them blames the other for it. Tenay could say the most established team in TNA lost to the a newly formed green team.

 

I think its more a case of Sabin turning heel. Thats what I feel TNA will do this, but a handshake would be real cool.

 

You think Team Canada will interfere in this match but not in the Petey match?  What is the Team Canada combination for this match?

 

Maybe back to where he should be? The ME? He could form a team with Rhyno intent on running JJ out of TNA. He could be baited by Zbysko with a Title shot.

 

I only 3 words to say in response to your last comment: GORE GORE GORE! 

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I like the idea for Lynn/Styles. As for Team Canada, yeah, they could get involved in Petey's match. That could make the title match more hard-fought, but I still see Daniels walking away the winner.

 

Here's an idea for the AMW match. Maybe the Team Canada members are Young and Roode. They start to cheat, of course, which would lead Hoyt to come out and powerbomb Roode (or something, since he hates Roode) to help give AMW the win. After the match, Hoyt sticks around as Team Canada leave, thinking he's safe, but AMW get on the mic and yell at him that AMW doesn't need help getting a win. Hoyt gets beatdown and AMW leaves him lying. Attacking a beloved face like Hoyt is a good start at a heel turn, and could be a good fued for them.

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I think its a given that somebody will get involved on Peteys behalf. Isnt that Team Canada's way of doing things, strength in numbers. The only time I wont see them getting involved in a PPV match is (1) they are trying to turn a member face or (2) they are teasing splitting them up. No doubt over who should win the match though.

 

I like the AMW angle, but I think that they should go down a bit of a longer route, as to give them time without the belts and till a possible Dudleys signing. I think its a given that when they become full blown heels they would cheat to win. If anything, have Young and Roode wrestle on behalf of Team Canada, since I think thats their better combination. By all means have the beat down. Hoyt makes the save. Show AMW thanking Roode. Then at the next PPV, have AMW and Hoyt vs Team Canada (3 members). Either have team AMW and Hoyt win and then in the celebration they turn on Hoyt or during the match have them turn on Hoyt.

 

One problem though Magus, AMW are facing Shane and Shelly at No Surrender and not Team Canada. Hence, the blaming of the other member. But its a good booking angle, and will take them to Sacrifice and Unbreakable. That would be the ideal PPV to turn them, and have them cheat to win at Bound for Glory. Then for Turning Point, the Dudleyz 90 days will be up and have them debut the show after B4G which shows AMW celebrating their big win.

 

On another note, what entitles Team Canada to so many title shots? Rotating members?

 

About the Styles/Waltman match, Waltman has said that AJ was naive the past either week or two weeks. What if the tables are turned and AJ works something out with Lynn? Waltman expects an unbiased ref but becomes the naive one when Lynn crosses him.

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Yes, a teaching of lesson of sorts, but why would a face do that? 2 points (1) I dont think its wise to turn AJ now and (2) I would really like to see Styles-Lynn with a ton of heat. They could go the tweener then heel route, but I think that this should have the OMG shock factor.

 

Is Abyss cool with Father Mitchell, or is it one of those "reluctant alliances"?

 

Did I even spell reluctant right?

 

Thanks for all the answers BTW

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Id say hes cool with him. And yes, you did.

[TNABaddboi 0]

This week's Impact is already online, and they've added a Six Man Tag with Team Canada against Hoyt and the Naturals, a No DQ Street Fight between 3LK and Monty Brown and the Outlaw to round out the card. I still think that this is the strongest overall line-up TNA has had since Turning Point.

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Jeff Jarrett's not on the card,

 

It's already 100% better show on this fact alone.

 

If I can get confirmation JJ won't make a surprise appearance, I may order this for fun.

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Watch It!

 

I'm not gonna order this for those reasons. And i don't care about Abyss in the main event.

[RedJed 0]

This week's Impact is already online, and they've added a Six Man Tag with Team Canada against Hoyt and the Naturals, a No DQ Street Fight between 3LK and Monty Brown and the Outlaw to round out the card.  I still think that this is the strongest overall line-up TNA has had since Turning Point.

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Those two matches, and especially the no DQ stip on that tag, make the card much stronger overall, I agree. Even though I am not totally blown away by the whole lineup, I think this will definately be a strong show.

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*I really think this has the potential to best the Best PPV of the year. Honestly.

*Every match sounds GREAT and even in the 3 Live Kru v. Outlaw & Monty it's a NO DQ match, which should make it into an okay brawl.

 

While that will probably be the worst match on the show, it should still be no less than ** if they dont screw up and easy gimmick match.

3 Live Kru v. Outlaw & Monty

Winners: Outlaw and Monty

Star Rating: **

 

Raven v. Abyss should be a VERY FUN brawl, and blow the shit out of the NO DQ match that the other four pump out.

Raven v. Abyss

Winners: Raven

Star Rating: ***1/2

 

Williams and Daniels should be a very fun X-Division match up. I expect this one to have some ground work, with the higher impact moves coming alot later. We already have a spotfest on the card. This will be great though.

Petey Williams v. Christopher Daniels

Winners: Christopher Daniels

Star Rating: **** *with time*

 

The 4-Way X-Division Cup Qualifer should be good as a spotfest. I don't expect this to get an overly huge amount of time though. Great to see Mikey Batts get his first actual match on PPV (besides the Battle Royal)

Shark Boy v. Elix Skipper v. Sonjay Dutt v. Mikey Batts

Winners: Elix Skipper

Star Rating: **1/2 *higher with time*

 

Joe/Sabin should be buckets of fun. Joe is GREAT and Sabin is pretty flipping great himself. This should be a good match, and has build. Give it some time and your looking at a very good match.

Chris Sabin v. Samoa Joe

Winners: Samoa Joe

Star Rating: ***3/4

 

The 6 man will be good and fun, but short. Don't expect a long match out of this one. Team Canada will probably pick up the win to continue the feud with the Naturals and have Hoty go on and feud with either Roode some more, or A-1.

The Naturals & Lance Hoyt v. Team Canada of A-1, Bobby Roode & Eric Young

Winners: Team Canada

Star Rating: **3/4

 

Styles and Waltman would be a good match without Lynn reffing. I don't know how great of a ref Lynn will be, but its great to see him back and going to be building up for a feud with one of these two. Styles will OWN this PPV once again.

AJ Styles v. Sean Waltman w/ Special Ref Jerry Lynn

Winners: AJ Styles

Star Rating: ***1/2

 

Alex Shelley OWNS YOU! This tag team match will be a GREAT match IMO. AMW is a very good team and Shelley as well as Shane are both great.

Michael Shane & Alex Shelley v. America's Most Wanted

Winners: America's Most Wanted

Star Rating: ***3/4

[RedJed 0]

I cant believe this - just posted from Meltzer....

 

TNA runs its PPV from Orlando on Sunday and we'll have a full rundown tomorrow. Raven vs. Abyss for the NWA title in a dog collar match is on top, plus Christopher Daniels vs. Petey Williams for the TNA X Division title. It is believed the decision will be made today regarding whether Matt Hardy appears on the show or not doing an unexplained run-in. WWE has okayed it to get over his angle. TNA had not okayed it as of yesterday.

 

----Just bad for business for Hardy to appear if he's not going to actually do anything long term.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

I don't care if he makes an unexplained run in.

 

TNA should allow it.

 

They aren't competition. They need to sell their product. Hardy running in may help WWE's selling of Hardy more...but let's face it...It doesn't hurt TNA to have a little buzz about something that happened on their show. Especially without TV.

 

Besides. WWE is smart to allow him to do it anyway. It's the biggest venue they can throw him in to get this over as a shoot. Of course...anyone who knows about it happening knows it's not...but I applaud the effort anyway.

 

Basically...I just think it would be...neat.

[RedJed 0]

I don't care if he makes an unexplained run in.

 

TNA should allow it.

 

They aren't competition.  They need to sell their product.  Hardy running in may help WWE's selling of Hardy more...but let's face it...It doesn't hurt TNA to have a little buzz about something that happened on their show.  Especially without TV.

 

Besides.  WWE is smart to allow him to do it anyway.  It's the biggest venue they can throw him in to get this over as a shoot.  Of course...anyone who knows about it happening knows it's not...but I applaud the effort anyway.

 

Basically...I just think it would be...neat.

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From just me as a fan perspective, hell yes, I'd love to see it. Even better I'd love to see it lead to either a singles match with Hardy and whoever at the next ppv or even better, a one night only Hardy Boys reunion match. If they could get Hardy and WWE to agree to THAT, then I say go for it. But from a business perspective, it's quite the risk to just have him in one time. Its kind of like the thing with Hogan - that seemed, to me, to make TNA look more bush league in that they didnt get him signed to a long term deal and not even one live appearance. This would be the same kind of thing I think - so Hardy is in for a run-in one time only and then goes long term to WWE. Not very cool from a business perspective.

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TNA needs to agree if they also:

 

- Get clearance for Hardy to work the Impact tapings

- Get clearance for Matt and Jeff to work a tag match on the next PPV

[Astro101 0]

With the Hogan thing, at least Jarrett ran his mouth saying that Hogan was scared. Maybe he could do the same thing about Hardy.

 

At first I wasn't sure if letting Hardy be there is a good idea or not, but the more I think about it, I say go for it. I mean, sure WWE's getting the upper hand in a sense, but at least it's three promotions working together. Like bps said, it's "neat." It would create that buzz, and TNA could replay that footage. Gets people talking.

 

Also, imagine if Hardy gets to "shoot" on the WWE. TNA would have a field day with the replaying of that on future shows.

[Celtic Guardian 0]

Also, imagine if Hardy gets to "shoot" on the WWE. TNA would have a field day with the replaying of that on future shows.

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Being that Matt Hardy is not a TNA contracted performer, there would be no recourse should he "shoot" against TNA instead.

 

Under no circumstance should TNA allow Matt Hardy on the PPV.

[Dangerous A 0]

I've stated this before. In my opinion, no way TNA let's an uncontracted Matt Hardy on their PPV. If they could get even a one match committment out of him, I could possibly visualize it. But since that isn't the case, it isn't going to happen.

[RedJed 0]

With the Hogan thing, at least Jarrett ran his mouth saying that Hogan was scared. Maybe he could do the same thing about Hardy.

 

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Thing is 1) We dont need Jarrett shooting his mouth off anymore about guys that he "took out" when he never even really did so just to get (very) cheap heel heat and 2) I think people see through that whole thing about running off to somewhere else, as in there is a reason they did so, ie TNA isnt good enough for them. Again, it makes TNA look completely bush league, second rate, and far from competitive (and I think TNA needs to at least TRY to always be up against WWE) when you let a WWE contracted wrestler show up on your show just to put over a WWE ran storyline/character/etc.

[zyn081 0]

I don't care if he makes an unexplained run in.

 

TNA should allow it.

 

They aren't competition.  They need to sell their product.  Hardy running in may help WWE's selling of Hardy more...but let's face it...It doesn't hurt TNA to have a little buzz about something that happened on their show.  Especially without TV.

 

Besides.  WWE is smart to allow him to do it anyway.  It's the biggest venue they can throw him in to get this over as a shoot.  Of course...anyone who knows about it happening knows it's not...but I applaud the effort anyway.

 

Basically...I just think it would be...neat.

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I agree that the possibility of the PPV garnering a few more buys because of a possible show by Matt will happen, but unless he do more work in TNA it doesnt make good business sense in the long term.

 

With the Hogan thing, at least Jarrett ran his mouth saying that Hogan was scared. Maybe he could do the same thing about Hardy.

 

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Thing is 1) We dont need Jarrett shooting his mouth off anymore about guys that he "took out" when he never even really did so just to get (very) cheap heel heat and 2) I think people see through that whole thing about running off to somewhere else, as in there is a reason they did so, ie TNA isnt good enough for them. Again, it makes TNA look completely bush league, second rate, and far from competitive (and I think TNA needs to at least TRY to always be up against WWE) when you let a WWE contracted wrestler show up on your show just to put over a WWE ran storyline/character/etc.

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From the looks of things though, the WWE and Matt have agreed to it. THE WWE WANT MATT TO APPEAR ON TNA. To me, this means that TNA have the upper hand and can either use it as (a) to gain a big favour back from the WWE or (b) go along with it only if Matt continues to berate the WWE, put over TNA and work some sort of mini-fued programme with somebody. They should get this in writing too.

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I do have to agree that TNA does have a very, VERY slight upper hand here (as in nearly nonexistant, but still there). WWE is still trying to put this over as a shoot. They want to make it seem that Matt is still unsigned by anyone. TNA has never said outright that Matt Hardy was going to be there (outside of the one little hint JJ made on Impact two weeks ago). If WWE wants to keep making this look as legit as possible, they're going to have to not only let Matt do the PPV, but maybe some other things TNA wants Matt to do.

 

WWE, of course, doesn't have to concede anything and could keep Matt from doing anything TNA-based, but then it would hurt the angle. At least with internet fans, seeing how the storyline seems to be catering to the internet crowd (with the Byte This segment, tirades on Matt's site, and whatnot).

[Astro101 0]

zyn, you're right, if it's a one time deal, it's just a short term buzz...but that's what TNA needs right now. They're not gonna get on television outside of Sun Sports or until October (reportedly). Anything that'll keep TNA on the radar at least for the short run is a good thing.

[Fro 0]

Considering Meltzer hasn't said anything about the Hardy appearance today, I'm going to assume it's happening.

[Zack Malibu 0]

The Hardy appearanc is a bad idea, IMO. You can't job him to a TNA guy because WWE would veto that idea, and you can't put him over (or shouldn't) because he won't be around to develop anything out of it. It's lose-lose for TNA. They need to think long-term, not short-term buzz.

[RedJed 0]

The Hardy appearanc is a bad idea, IMO.  You can't job him to a TNA guy because WWE would veto that idea, and you can't put him over (or shouldn't) because he won't be around to develop anything out of it.  It's lose-lose for TNA.  They need to think long-term, not short-term buzz.

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Only reasonable idea would be to have a Hardy Boys v. ??? at next ppv and Matt doesnt play the central role of the team, its more to put over Jeff and a return to TNA for him, if that makes any sense. Like for example Hardy Boys v. Jarrett and ??? and Jeff ends up pinning Jarrett.

 

Other than that, yeah its just a bad idea. Will TNA do it? I highly think they might.

[RedJed 0]

Take this for what its worth, but Matt Hardy and Rhyno are going to work indy dates together even as late as Aug 28, where they take on the Dudleys in an indy show somewhere - this was reported by Pat McNeil of PW Torch today. Not sure if this means TNA might possibly be able to use Hardy then til even that date or what. He might very well show up tomorrow and be used for next ppv, etc. Who knows.

 

Also begins speculation that the Duds could show up on TNA alot earlier than expected if they are already working indy dates by late August.

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Short term buzz gain, keeps gate open for possible Hardy's reunion, possible product mention on RAW, and possibly improves the relationship between the two companies while refusing could give Vince a reason to smack them around a bit.

[Fro 0]

Take this for what its worth, but Matt Hardy and Rhyno are going to work indy dates together even as late as Aug 28, where they take on the Dudleys in an indy show somewhere - this was reported by Pat McNeil of PW Torch today. Not sure if this means TNA might possibly be able to use Hardy then til even that date or what. He might very well show up tomorrow and be used for next ppv, etc. Who knows.

 

Also begins speculation that the Duds could show up on TNA alot earlier than expected if they are already working indy dates by late August.

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Next TNA PPV is Aug. 21, and considering a TNA run would just mean apperances this Sunday, Tuesday, and Aug. 21 I could it see happening.

[zyn081 0]

zyn, you're right, if it's a one time deal, it's just a short term buzz...but that's what TNA needs right now. They're not gonna get on television outside of Sun Sports or until October (reportedly). Anything that'll keep TNA on the radar at least for the short run is a good thing.

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It depends what is short-term. If its 1 show forget about it, if its till August 28, which is 6 weeks and they can fit something into it, then go for it.

 

My point about just the 1 show appearance is that people are going to buy No Surrender on the basis that Matt Hardy will be there. If hes not, hes not. Having him appear at the show and thats it, then forget about it.

 

The only thing I can think of if its just a 1 night only thing, book JJ vs Jeff Hardy, and Matt runs and double teams with Jeff to beat JJ. The next iMPACT explain that Matt was brought in as the lesson teaching to JJ continues and just to piss JJ off, he cant exercise revenge. I personally think IMHO thats the only thing that could work if its just for No Surrender.

 

The Hardy appearanc is a bad idea, IMO.  You can't job him to a TNA guy because WWE would veto that idea, and you can't put him over (or shouldn't) because he won't be around to develop anything out of it.  It's lose-lose for TNA.  They need to think long-term, not short-term buzz.

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This is what I cant get, why does the WWE have any right of veto? If anything, TNA is doing them a favour. If I was at the helm of TNA Id tell Vince and make him understand that he has no right to interfere in my product.

 

The Hardy appearanc is a bad idea, IMO.  You can't job him to a TNA guy because WWE would veto that idea, and you can't put him over (or shouldn't) because he won't be around to develop anything out of it.  It's lose-lose for TNA.  They need to think long-term, not short-term buzz.

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Only reasonable idea would be to have a Hardy Boys v. ??? at next ppv and Matt doesnt play the central role of the team, its more to put over Jeff and a return to TNA for him, if that makes any sense. Like for example Hardy Boys v. Jarrett and ??? and Jeff ends up pinning Jarrett.

 

Other than that, yeah its just a bad idea. Will TNA do it? I highly think they might.

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That makes sense. Maybe JJ and Brown with Brown finally turning on JJ, Jeff finally hitting the swanton for the pin.

 

Short term buzz gain, keeps gate open for possible Hardy's reunion, possible product mention on RAW, and possibly improves the relationship between the two companies while refusing could give Vince a reason to smack them around a bit.

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They will have to rush the Hardy's reunion which wouldnt be good for TNAs business. How will they explain Matts abrupt departure? There is no way TNA will get mentioned on RAW. Wouldnt it have made more sense for Matt to say TNA No Surrender this Sunday? It will improve relationships, but at the moment, if its just a 1 shot thing, only Vince is gaining. I think it would be reasonable for TNA to ask for Matt to work a mini-fued, they get to use the names of certain wrestlers (there arent that many worth asking for, only Mr Ass Billy Gunn and Road Dog Jesse James come to mind) and the understanding that Matt can work for TNA if released again by the WWE (remember if WWE releases him it means that they dont want him) plus, TNA retain creative control over Matt when hes at their shows.

[Astro101 0]

PWInsider...

 

Matt Hardy is scheduled to fly to Orlando, Florida today with the idea that he would make an appearance on tonight's TNA No Surrender PPV to augment his current "WWE Outsider" storyline. As of yesterday, the only holdup to Hardy's appeance would be whether TNA management would sign off on his appearing, which we haven't confirmed one way or the other.

 

There are positives and negatives to a potential appearance by Hardy. In theory, Hardy could create a buzz to spur fans to purchase the replays of the No Surrender PPV. His appearance might also move DVDs, especially if the DVD is promoted as having "extra Matt Hardy footage" that wasn't seen live on PPV. If WWE were to use any TNA footage on their TV (which is probably a longshot), the appearance could be a plug for TNA on WWE programming. That might entice fans to check out the TNA product, although that product wouldn't feature Hardy, who would be what WWE focuses on.

 

It makes perfect sense for TNA to want to jump on board, as Hardy has the hottest storyline in the business right now. His mentions of Ring of Honor on WWE TV and Byte This helped incite a run on ROH tickets for several ROH events. TNA would love to have a similar runoff effect. The difference is that Hardy wouldn't be on WWE plugging a TNA event, he'd potentially be on TNA pushing his WWE storyline.

 

In order to maximize any positives, TNA would need to insure that a Hardy appearance doesn't overshadow their other plans, which isn't easy to book as you can't control how the crowd will react. You don't want the "WWE star" cameo to burn out the live crowd in Orlando and potentially take away from the TNA wrestlers who make their living working for the company and will be there for the next TV taping and the next PPV, and the shows after that.

 

TNA would also need to make sure that whatever plans are in place for Rhino's debut aren't overshadowed. The former ECW champion is a huge acquisition by the company and shouldn't be overlooked to have the focus placed on someone TNA tried to bring in and was unable to sign.

 

There is a feeling among some that their focus should be on moving along their own angles and storylines, not one controlled by another wrestling promotion that features lot of payoffs in the "maybe" column and none in the "definite" column.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

From the tna site:

 

"On Sunday morning, it was reported across the internet that WWE star Matt Hardy would be appearing at tonight's "No Surrender" Pay-Per-View.

 

TNA Wrestling would like to officially address this rumor as totally false.

 

In an effort to further his own agenda, Hardy told several people last night he would be traveling to Orlando for "No Surrender"

 

TNA Wrestling would like to let our fans know this is not the case and he will not be appearing"

[Astro101 0]

At least TNA isn't letting anyone on.

[Celtic Guardian 0]

At least TNA isn't letting anyone on.

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The TNA statement seems like a classic "non-denial denial" that doesn't really settle anything. Any Matt Hardy appearance (should there be one) would not have the public sanctioning/authorization of WWE or TNA anyway.

[Guest nokia]

TNA issued the following statement on their website www.TNAWrestling.com this afternoon:

 

 

On Sunday morning, it was reported across the internet that WWE star Matt Hardy would be appearing at tonight's "No Surrender" Pay-Per-View.

TNA Wrestling would like to officially address this rumor as totally false.

 

In an effort to further his own agenda, Hardy told several people last night he would be traveling to Orlando for "No Surrender"

 

TNA Wrestling would like to let our fans know this is not the case and he will not be appearing.

 

As noted earlier today, Hardy was expected to travel to Orlando, Florida with the idea of a possible TNA appearance, although there was no word of TNA management signing off on the idea. PWInsider.com will have complete coverage of tonight's No Surrender PPV starting at 8 PM.

 

* OH YEAH.....HARDY IS SOOOOOOOOOOOO SHOWING UP TONIGHT !

[Fro 0]

A true statement would mention how Hardy recently signed a WWE contract and that TNA has no interest in using their PPVs to promote WWE talent and angles. And why would they mention it at all and cost themselves money?

 

Considering Meltzer has been real quiet on the whole deal (not even mentioning the TNA statement), I assume it's on.