SAW II

[TheOriginalOrangeGoblin 0]

Pretty much in the consensus here that this was a damn good follow up to the original, maybe even better than the original itself. Interesting plot turns and such and I'll be interested to see where they go with a likely third one.

 

SPOILERS (kind of)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

At the end there, what I thought would have been a nice addition, since they still had the dead bodies in the same room as in the original film, they should have shown/explained what happened to the Elwes character from the first one since they did bring him up a few times in the film. The assumption is that Jigsaw got to him after the end of the first movie...

 

Other than that, they covered alot of backstory of sorts in the movie, playing into the original film, which is good to see from a movie I didnt expect that much out of in terms of that. Writing was exceptional for a horror film, in that sense.

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I figured he just died from blood loss before he made it out of there.

 

Anyways, saw Saw 2 and thought it was really good. The 2 Saw movies are some of the best horror I've seen out of Hollywood in years, so I really don't get the hate either.

[Secret Agent 0]

I saw it and I liked it. I don't know why people come in here claiming they figured out the end in twenty minutes, when they obviously had no clue.

 

The twist is just more than that one chick(I think her name is Amanda) being in on it. I felt she was mainly a device to continue the films when cancer finally does Jigsaw in. I felt the twist was that what we thought was a live feed of the house was in fact taped previously and Matthews' son was in the safe next to where they would have been talking. All he had to do was sit there and talk to Jigsaw until the time expired.

 

Also, making the events in the house take place in the same location as the first film was a nice way to tie the two films together. I'd also assume that nobody ever hears from Detective Matthews' again as they'll never find where he went to most likely.

 

Good movie all around.

[godthedog 0]

caught it last night.

 

it's the exact same movie.

 

compulsively enjoyable in its very badness. i can't talk about how bad it is without bringing up how much i enjoyed it, and i can't talk about how much i enjoyed it without bringing up how bad it is.

 

people die in all sorts of implausibly creative and elaborate ways, there's lots of melodramatic weeping and gnashing of teeth, plot twists abound for their own sake, ridiculousness is made into an art form. oh, and in the words of my girlfriend, "it looks like it was edited by a ferret on crystal meth."

[cabbageboy 0]

Secret Agent, I never said I guessed all the various twists but I did guess the most important one, that of....

 

Amanda being in on it with Jigsaw. Make no mistake this is much more important than the monitors showing taped footage. It sets up the future films, after all.

 

[Guest guerillagenius]

Secret Agent, I never said I guessed all the various twists but I did guess the most important one, that of....

 

Amanda being in on it with Jigsaw.  Make no mistake this is much more important than the monitors showing taped footage.  It sets up the future films, after all.

 

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I disagree...

 

Since the biggest twist of the whole film was that the Venus Fly Trap, the whole house and warehouse situations were one giant game designed for Detective Mathews. Out of all of Jigsaw's games the whole movie was his most impressive, he made the venus fly trap with the knowledge that it would lead Mathews to him. He ran the House game knowing that Mathews wouldn't be able to follow his rules (just talk to him) and designed it so not only did Mathews isolate himself in a bad situation, he also had Mathews free him.

 

I think the 3rd movie should focus on Amanda's first "game" with Detective Mathews since the entire Saw II movie built up to Mathews being in the original room setup for the game (tape recorder, gun just out of reach, shackled). Plus Amanda said on the tape recorder that he would be her first. If she just planned to leave him there till he died, there was no real point in setting up that final part.

[2GOLD 0]

Everyone is forgetting one minor detail

 

Matthews has already played the game. He lost. He's going to be used by Amanda to test out her devices of choice, not have a second chance. He had his game and he didn't play by the rules. Matthews is a dead man.

[Guest guerillagenius]

Then why would she leave the gun just out of reach?

[2GOLD 0]

He sent her to prison where she became hooked on drugs. I'm pretty sure leaving the gun just out of reach was her way of taunting him for his crimes. Matthews has already played the game, there is no reason for her to give him another chance to play. I'm pretty sure he'll just become like the drill guy from part 1

[Jericholic82 0]

Saw it on sat night, the theater was not that full very surprised. but I enjoyed this.

 

 

Great psychological movie and very similar to the first, but better in a lot of ways. The twists and thinking about them kept me up that night, for some reason. The "bad guy" winning again at the end made me just as annoyed as the first one. It led a guy to the right of me to remark "Well I guess we got to sit through part 3 huh?" The twist I figured out right away was the clue about the numbers in the back of your mind. So I suppose the others in the house with Matthews son were not really being tested, I mean they were but I guess Saw didnt really care that much as the whole thing was a game for matthews. The Guy who burned to death was apprantly a pyromanic too, but he did show compassion by reaching for the second needle when he had one already. The burning thing got to me, as well as the fly trap opening, the drug dealer cutting his own skin off to read his number. Gives you the jitters. This also makes me worry since this could easily happen in real life, even with the needelessly overcomplicated traps. The clues about Amanda were there if you paid attention. She wasnt coughing, she was there again for some reason (though I guess she did say she was being bad to herself again-cutting herself). Plus John/saw was really sick at thus point and it would have been hard for him to set up all those traps on his own no?

 

In any event it was a decent movie and actually expanded on the first instead of being a mindless sequel. But $9.25 to see a movie? come on!!!

[UZI Suicide 0]

How does Jigsaw know so much about Matthews? I know it's a movie and we have to "use our imagination", but it just seems weird that he'd know so much about every case Matthews has handled.

 

And while they clearly are setting up more sequels, I don't think they'll be as good without the main Jigsaw guy. The girl isn't really as "creepy" as John was.

 

Why didn't the guy in the first scene just block the venus fly trap thing from closing by putting that tool box in it?

 

Oh, and even though the gun was just out of reach from Matthews, couldn't he just take the shoe off his unchained foot and use that to drag the gun over?

 

Oh yeah, and for those speculating about Walhberg's character at the end, speculate no further..http://www.moviehole.net/news/wahlberg_to_direct_saw_3.html

[Placebo Effect 0]

How does Jigsaw know so much about Matthews? I know it's a movie and we have to "use our imagination", but it just seems weird that he'd know so much about every case Matthews has handled.

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Police records are readily available through paid online services.

 

I'm not going to spoiler tag that since it doesn't really matter.

 

I downloaded it last night and dug it. I think it died for a short while after

Glenn Plummer's death

, but I enjoyed it for the most part.

[2GOLD 0]

Wow, I think that is a really stupid decision.

I mean

he already played and he lost, it makes zero sense for him to get another chance

[Sideburnious 0]

I saw it on monday and enjoyed it alot. there was a few "cinema laughs"

like when we all knew he was gonna cut the back of his own neck

 

I think the only problem I had with it was that I would have liked it to have gone on for about another hour. I don't think there was enough info and time spent on the people within the house.

 

 

and I didnt know amanda was in on it 20mins in like people claim (which i think, is a bit of an exaggeration) but once there was the pig in the bath in the room, I was like "Thats amanda, shes in on it"

[cabbageboy 0]

 

The main reason I knew right off the bat that Amanda was in on it was that it made no sense to go after her again. In fact, the heel turn was hinted at in the previous movie where she seemed almost grateful for Jigsaw giving her a wake up call. I know that they threw in a lame bit about "Oh, I was arrested and got back into drugs so I'm back here" but I didn't buy it. I also noticed that she didn't cough up blood or anything.

 

[The Electrifyer 0]

I saw this last night and absolutely loved it. A lot of the people in the theatre didn't though, and I heard a lot of negative comments towards it. Usually, I really can't watch stuff like blood and guts on TV, but I just love some of the creativity in the way people die in this movie that somehow makes me to watch the gore. On to some spoilerish things:

 

I also noticed Amanda not coughing up blood or anything, but I just figured maybe she was breathing really slowly so the gas wasn't getting into her body at the same rate. I didn't think she was with Jigsaw until the final moment and that was a total holy shit moment for me.

 

Also, to Secret Agent when you said nobody will ever hear from Detective Mathews' again, isn't the SWAT team in the same building as him, just a different room? They broke in through the main door instead of the sidedoor that Mathews used, but after a while of investigating, shouldn't the SWAT team be able to find Mathews and get him out?

 

I also find it funny that out of all the needles with the anecdotes to the poisonous gas in the house, none of those people in there were able to work together good enough to even get a single one.

[HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0]

I didn't like the way that Beverly Mitchelle died. Of course, I want her to have my children...so yeah.

[Secret Agent 0]

 

Also, to Secret Agent when you said nobody will ever hear from Detective Mathews' again, isn't the SWAT team in the same building as him, just a different room? They broke in through the main door instead of the sidedoor that Mathews used, but after a while of investigating, shouldn't the SWAT team be able to find Mathews and get him out?

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Oh, maybe it was. I thought the SWAT team got sent to a different location - to the source of the video feed which I thought was a different house but maybe it wasn't.

[dubq 0]

 

Also, to Secret Agent when you said nobody will ever hear from Detective Mathews' again, isn't the SWAT team in the same building as him, just a different room? They broke in through the main door instead of the sidedoor that Mathews used, but after a while of investigating, shouldn't the SWAT team be able to find Mathews and get him out?

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Oh, maybe it was. I thought the SWAT team got sent to a different location - to the source of the video feed which I thought was a different house but maybe it wasn't.

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No, you're 100% correct, Secret Agent. Electrifyer obviously wasn't paying any attention during the movie. The SWAT team was sent to a different location that was relaying a tape of what went on probably hours or days, who knows, before the cops even found Jigsaw.

[dubq 0]

I also find it funny that out of all the needles with the anecdotes to the poisonous gas in the house, none of those people in there were able to work together good enough to even get a single one.

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Oh, those crazy anecdotes................

[dubq 0]

I know that they threw in a lame bit about "Oh, I was arrested and got back into drugs so I'm back here" but I didn't buy it.  I also noticed that she didn't cough up blood or anything.

 

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Did you pay attention? That wasn't the 'reason' she was chosen again. The flashbacks showed that the reason for her being chosen again was her "attempted suicide."

[cabbageboy 0]

Whatever. She was on drugs again, she attempted suicide, it was all a bunch of bullshit anyway since she was actually in on it. I'm not even sure how much of that was even true

 

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

I thought the movie sucked.

 

The opening scene with the potential eye-gouging was the best, and only, memorable scene, IMO.

 

The gore just wasn't there. The latin "bully" guy stole from the main antagonists.

 

It's a major ripoff of "The Cube".

 

I did like the semi-lead of the girl from Starship Troopers, however.

 

Still, no characters to get attached to, and once again horrible casting. The "crazy gore" I'd heard wasn't there. This wasn't scary.

 

And the lack of fun "tests" sucked. Um, why does the girl stick BOTH hands into the lame "arm cutting" device? More, creative tests may have salvaged this, but weren't there.

 

VERY dissapointed.

[SpikeFayeJettEdBebop 0]

No, you're 100% correct, Secret Agent. Electrifyer obviously wasn't paying any attention during the movie. The SWAT team was sent to a different location that was relaying a tape of what went on probably hours or days, who knows, before the cops even found Jigsaw.

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Actually, I think Electrifyer was right.....

It was the same house, just later(after everyone had died). The dead bodies were still in the house when the SWAT team arrived, they just went in a different way than the detective. The videotapes were looping in the same house that the entire movie took place. I could be wrong, but im almost positive they were all in the same house(again because the bodies from Saw 1 were in the basement when the detective first walked in). However, as I said, I could be wrong.

 

She stuck both of her arms in because she was in a hurry and she obviously wasnt calm or stable in anyway. I enjoyed the movie a lot. I never really expected it to be "scary". Not many movies are "scary" to me anymore, but I did enjoy it as a whole.

[Guest guerillagenius]

No, you're 100% correct, Secret Agent. Electrifyer obviously wasn't paying any attention during the movie. The SWAT team was sent to a different location that was relaying a tape of what went on probably hours or days, who knows, before the cops even found Jigsaw.

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Actually, I think Electrifyer was right.....

It was the same house, just later(after everyone had died). The dead bodies were still in the house when the SWAT team arrived, they just went in a different way than the detective. The videotapes were looping in the same house that the entire movie took place. I could be wrong, but im almost positive they were all in the same house(again because the bodies from Saw 1 were in the basement when the detective first walked in). However, as I said, I could be wrong.

 

She stuck both of her arms in because she was in a hurry and she obviously wasnt calm or stable in anyway. I enjoyed the movie a lot. I never really expected it to be "scary". Not many movies are "scary" to me anymore, but I did enjoy it as a whole.

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The SWAT team went to a different location. Otherwise they would have been able to catch Jigsaw in the van. Also when they busted open the front door it was fully intact and it didnt have "Exit" written on it, which would lead me to believe it was a different, but similar looking house.

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

Ah, this was disappointing. It sucked, but not in the same hilarious-sucking way of the first. I really did miss having actual decent actors slumming it this time around. The big drug dealer guy who always looked and sounded like he was trying really hard to take a shit was probably my favorite part.

[NoCalMike 0]

I thought the movie sucked.

 

The opening scene with the potential eye-gouging was the best, and only, memorable scene, IMO.

 

The gore just wasn't there.  The latin "bully" guy stole from the main antagonists.

 

It's a major ripoff of "The Cube".

 

I did like the semi-lead of the girl from Starship Troopers, however.

 

Still, no characters to get attached to, and once again horrible casting.  The "crazy gore" I'd heard wasn't there.  This wasn't scary.

 

And the lack of fun "tests" sucked.  Um, why does the girl stick BOTH hands into the lame "arm cutting" device?  More, creative tests may have salvaged this, but weren't there.

 

VERY dissapointed.

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I did get the "Cube" vibe from this movie. As far as the people all stuck in a bad situation, no idea why they are there, must work together to get out, can't seem to get along, deaths happen a long the way - kind of way......

[Mystery Eskimo 0]

It's a major ripoff of "The Cube".

 

Not really. A group of people wake up in a strange place not knowing how they got there - hardly an unusual scenario, especially in sci-fi and horror.

 

But they should have trimmed the number of testees, or given the movie more time.

[SpikeFayeJettEdBebop 0]

Ok, yeah. I was wrong about that. I didn't remember about the door. Also, the big guy who was just beatting shit the whole movie, he kind of reminded me of Donkey Kong, but hey, it's probably just me.

[Guest guerillagenius]

I agree there should have been less people in the house and better character developement and tests. Beverly Mitchelle's character served absolutely no purpose at all (except the X) which wasn't exactly that big of a deal.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

I like how they took a bunch of bad TV actors/actresses, grabbed a New Kid on the Block, the slutty character from Starship Troopers, and the girl who starred in the 1988 HBO remake of "The Blob", and made so much money.