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Nice move by Logan at the end there. Looks like Heller's up the creek without a paddle.

 

I hope Aaron's okay. We've lost too many long-running characters this season.

 

Did anyone else mark out for Buchanan's surprise return?

 

Last week I asked where Novick was and he miraculously appears this week. Now I wonder where Curtis has been recently.

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This is going to be like season three. Once that season got going, it kicked ass and never looked back.

 

Political filler tonight, but this is going to come down to the fucking wire. As much criticism as I've hurled at this season, it's making up for it now. Kick ass episode tonight.

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I hope Aaron's okay. We've lost too many long-running characters this season.

 

Agreed. I think Aaron is the only character outside of Jack that has survived all five seasons.

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Chloe, Buchanan, and Wayne setting up their own little private CTU is just awesome, and the music for that scene (and the whole show - particularly the initial Heller/Logan staredown) made it ten times better.

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I wonder what will happen when Bierko wakes up in CTU? I figure they kept him alive for some reason.

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ooohhh yeah Curtis. Where the fuck is he? Probably sitting in a room alone since Logan called back the tac teams.

 

They need to give him his own part of the screen that shows him just throwing a tennis ball against the wall and checking his watch.

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I don't like how logan has balls the size of grapefruits all of a sudden. The guy is the picture of indecision for two years and all of a sudden he is making the smart decision to cover his ass and not even breaking a sweat. Maybe its just because it wasn't a smooth character transition.

 

Audrey...man...that girl is willing to die for some shit, isn't she? Whether breathing in gas or letting herself bleed to death, she isn't afraid to die. She has a bit of a mary sue complex about her though, which stops me from loving the character, but I like when she gets all gutsy. Makes me remember those 15 seconds in the start of season 4 that I thought she was hot...till i got a good look at her.

 

Good ep though. Common sense should have told Heller what was going to happen and he was stupid for thinking otherwise.

 

And friends...its time we start coming to terms with Aaron probably being dead.

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I wonder what will happen when Bierko wakes up in CTU? I figure they kept him alive for some reason.

 

A nice twist would be if Bierko has some other evidence besides the recording that ties Logan to the day's events, so then Jack has to protect the terrorist from the president rather than the usual other way around.

 

I don't like how logan has balls the size of grapefruits all of a sudden. The guy is the picture of indecision for two years and all of a sudden he is making the smart decision to cover his ass and not even breaking a sweat. Maybe its just because it wasn't a smooth character transition.

 

Agreed. Compare tonight's quick-thinking, decisive, beat Heller at his own game Logan to the nervous, paranoid, begging Novick to pray with him Logan of earlier. It's like night and day.

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Agreed. Compare tonight's quick-thinking, decisive, beat Heller at his own game Logan to the nervous, paranoid, begging Novick to pray with him Logan of earlier. It's like night and day.

 

Logan wasn't all that 'quick-thinking' with Heller tonight. He more or less gave in and was at Heller's mercy until he got lucky with Henderson calling when he did. Logan was one second away from signing that document and he did nothing to even slow down Heller. Once he got the call that Henderson had the phone conversation, having Heller resign was a pretty obvious move to make. Logan has made decisions like that before, usually after someone tells him what to do or something.

 

It wasn't like he completely tricked Heller or anything. He really just got lucky.

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I'm buying Logan. I think the writers have made it work. Look back at the way he acted in those end-of-season-4 episodes: exactly this same sort of alternating pompous bravado and whiny incompetence. Right now, things are starting to fall apart; people can expose him. He's got his back against the wall, and he's still incompetent Logan. He's just nastier about it, as I'd expect him to be.

 

Really dug this episode. LOVE the little satellite CTU Heroes team at Buchanan's house. Curtis just needs to show up there in the next hour or two, and they can have a little potluck. Favorite scene had to be the Pres, Heller, and the VP all in the room at once. Ray Wise, William Devane, and Gregory Itzin are all great old hand actors. Just standing there in that staredown triangle was tight as hell.

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I hope Aaron's okay. We've lost too many long-running characters this season.

 

Agreed. I think Aaron is the only character outside of Jack that has survived all five seasons.

 

Kim died?

 

Well, Kim doesn't count cause she wasnt in last season.

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Keep an eye out at Target. They've been marking '24' down a lot lately, with season one getting as low as 20 bucks a few months ago.

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This show just keeps getting better. The last episode was awesome. We went from an easy conclusion, (Jack gets the recording from Henderson), to something much better (Jack hijacks a plane to get the tape from a mystery passenger working for a shadowy group that's somehow connected to Logan). Also, I love it when Jacks spreads out from the group, and does something just absolutely crazy to save the day.

 

This episode was good too though. Audrey/Henderson and CTU finding out about the president's involvement were really good subplots, as is the First Lady finding out about the president's involvement. I didn't like this season for a while, when they were doing the corny power struggle with Lyn McGill and then the turnover ot Karen Hays, but it's gotten way better. Excellent show.

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Last week I asked where Novick was and he miraculously appears this week. Now I wonder where Curtis has been recently.

 

Curtis came back. That makes me 2 for 2.

I say we see Bierko next week and Kim in two weeks.

 

Didn't Jack send Wayne Palmer with Buchanan? Where'd he disappear to?

 

We still have no clue what happened to Aaron. I don't know if I could take another week of not knowing.

 

I don't know about them introducing a new villian (or committee of villains in this case) so late in the season. With so many important characters they already have to account for, this could quickly turn into a huge clusterfuck.

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I'm wondering if these new villains are somehow in league with the Crazy "show up at the last minute" villains from Season 2.

 

I know it's a stretch, but they were in it for the Oil, and the President said this about securing Oil. Plus, they were European, and the flag on the car outside the plane...

 

A long shot, but still, I never really liked how those villains just sort of showed up for 15 minutes in the last episode of Season 2, then were never heard from again.

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This is getting ridiculous with the amount of baddies this season.

 

Awesomely ridiculous, but ridiculous nonetheless.

 

So Heller going off the cliff was a bit drastic, right? He has to still be alive.

 

I dunno what made me happier, having Curtis show up and save the day, or the homeland chick teamin with the good guys.

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I was also wondering where Wayne Palmer dissapeared to. Also hope they resolve those guys from the end of season 2 before the series ends.

 

I hope Aaron's okay. We've lost too many long-running characters this season.

 

Agreed. I think Aaron is the only character outside of Jack that has survived all five seasons.

 

Yeah, I remember reading Kiefer Sutherland, Dennis Haysbert, Carlos Bernard, and Glenn Morshower (Aaron) are the only actors that have actually appeared in all 5 seasons. If they kill Aaron off, it'll mean Jack will be the only one left for next year.

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And see Logan is such a bad guy

The more people who know he's evil is adding up:\

 

Head of Homeland, Aaron, Jack,Chloe,Buchanan, Martha, Novick, Wayne Palmer, Hellers

I'm not really convinced that he's truly evil, but he's still a moron. Given all the variables (the gas, terrorists, Henderson, CTU, VP Hammerhead, his wife, to name a few) did he REALLY think this would go off flawlessly? The fact that it's gone as well as it has so far is impressive...

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I'm not really convinced that he's truly evil, but he's still a moron. Given all the variables (the gas, terrorists, Henderson, CTU, VP Hammerhead, his wife, to name a few) did he REALLY think this would go off flawlessly?

 

He probably did.

 

Some people argued that Logan had too dramatic of a character shift (from completely out of control and weasel-like to running the show). I don't think that was ever the case (it was sitll the same old Logan), but last night's episode definitely puts to rest any of those thoughts. Henderson holds, or at least held, power over Logan and these new Bluetooth guys also have some control over Logan. It is consistent with Logan's character over the past 1+ seasons. Anyone can pretty much convince him to go along with anything. The people behind the operation and Henderson probably realized that it wouldn't go flawlessly at all (which is why they've had a bunch of back up plans), but you get the impression that Logan was convinced into believing that everything would go fine and he'd be a hero.

 

Really liked how they are attempting to tie up lose ends. It was assumed that Logan killed Walt Cummings but it was cool to get a confirmation. Good to see guys like Mike Novick and Curtis return after being out of sight for a couple of episodes. Hopefully they just don't forget about Wayne Palmer. Same goes for Bierko finally waking up. I figured they had just forgotten about him and writen him off because by now he is way down the chain of command on the bad guy side.

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Some people argued that Logan had too dramatic of a character shift (from completely out of control and weasel-like to running the show).

I know I'm guilty of it.

 

I don't think that was ever the case (it was sitll the same old Logan), but last night's episode definitely puts to rest any of those thoughts. Henderson holds, or at least held, power over Logan and these new Bluetooth guys also have some control over Logan. It is consistent with Logan's character over the past 1+ seasons. Anyone can pretty much convince him to go along with anything. The people behind the operation and Henderson probably realized that it wouldn't go flawlessly at all (which is why they've had a bunch of back up plans), but you get the impression that Logan was convinced into believing that everything would go fine and he'd be a hero.

That's what made it ok in the end. We've been so used to seeing confirmation in about 15 minutes that I think the slow reveal that Logan is still an idiot threw us off. So good work by Fury et al.

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I'm going to be extremely satisfied if any one of Logan, Henderson, and Bierko survive this season. One of the things I've always thought was a little hollow about this show was how its villains always get themselves killed. For once, I'd like Gael's wife, the floor outside that parking garage, or the CTU death helicopters to not eliminate our villains--send 'em to court for a change of pace and slightly less neat resolution.

 

Don't know how I feel about the Bluetooth bunch--with Henderson and Logan, I think they're somewhat unnecessary, but I don't think it'll be terrible.

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