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[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

What the hell has McNabb ever won?

 

And Id find it hillarious if the Eagles won the SB without him at QB..

[razazteca 0]

McNabb won playoff games, the NFC East division, Chunky soup commercials.

[Hawk 34 0]

What the hell has McNabb ever won?

 

And Id find it hillarious if the Eagles won the SB without him at QB..

 

The same that McNair has won in his career and will still have after this season. A couple division titles and a failed SB bid.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

What the hell has McNabb ever won?

 

And Id find it hillarious if the Eagles won the SB without him at QB..

 

The same that McNair has won in his career and will still have after this season. A couple division titles and a failed SB bid.

 

 

McNair was a bit closer to winning the Super Bowl than McNabb was. And at least McNair didnt lose all those Conference Championship games in a row before winning one only to lose in the Super Bowl.

 

And Im still pissed McNair got no consideration at all for MVP..not even 1 vote. He was a huge factor in the team increasing their wins by 7 over last year. The defense was pretty much the same as last year except for an almost fully healthy Ray Lewis and Trevor Pryce. I wasn't expecting him to win but wtf..not even 1 lousy vote.

 

and Dawan Landry got 1 vote for defensive ROY..1 vote! ugh..

 

Landry had 70 tackles, 5 intereceptions (1 for a TD) and 3 sacks..Ryans had 155 tackles, 1 interception and 3.5 sacks...

[snuffbox 0]

That many consecutive trips to the Conference Championship game is still impressive. The NFC was a bit stronger then, too.

[Black Lushus 0]

dude, you gotta have the stats as well to get MVP consideration....

[CanadianChris 0]

Well, I guess you all have in your head to hate Saban, so I'll stop trying to convince you of how wrong you are.

Thank you.

[CanadianChris 0]

And Im still pissed McNair got no consideration at all for MVP..not even 1 vote. He was a huge factor in the team increasing their wins by 7 over last year. The defense was pretty much the same as last year except for an almost fully healthy Ray Lewis and Trevor Pryce. I wasn't expecting him to win but wtf..not even 1 lousy vote.

It's not like baseball, where you can vote for multiple guys. I'm surprised BREES got as many votes as he did. I thought it might be unanimous this year.

[Art Sandusky 0]

Sports Illustrated 2003 Draft issue:

 

One play on the tapes stood out: Deep in Miami territory last season, Grossman set up to throw a crossing route, locked onto his wideout and, though four defenders had the receiver blanketed, forced the throw. The interception was returned 97 yards for a touchdown, and the momentum turned against Florida. Esiason said, "he looked nervous." Coryell added, "he's got to learn that the second-best play in the passing game is an incompletion. You never, ever gamble like that." Walsh was concerned as well, saying, "I'd be wary of what I was getting. He makes some disastrous decisions." On the plus side, Grossman compensated for his lack of size with good mechanics. He averaged 31 passes a game at Florida, a big number for a collegian, and completed 61.1% of them.

 

The consensus was that a team drafting late in the first round like the Steelers or Packers would be hard-pressed to pass him by.

 

It's also got breakdowns about Palmer, Leftwich, Simms, and Kyle Boller. I just wanted to point that out.

 

New York/New Orleans Super Bowl!

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

And Im still pissed McNair got no consideration at all for MVP..not even 1 vote. He was a huge factor in the team increasing their wins by 7 over last year. The defense was pretty much the same as last year except for an almost fully healthy Ray Lewis and Trevor Pryce. I wasn't expecting him to win but wtf..not even 1 lousy vote.

It's not like baseball, where you can vote for multiple guys. I'm surprised BREES got as many votes as he did. I thought it might be unanimous this year.

 

It's the opposite for me. I was surprised Brees only got 4 votes. I was expecting like 15-20 votes for Brees. And anyone who's griping about a middling QB not getting a vote needs to take off their purple and gold and black glasses.

[Hawk 34 0]

But he's so tough!

[Black Lushus 0]

if Brees hit the 5000 yard mark, he would have won.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

And Im still pissed McNair got no consideration at all for MVP..not even 1 vote. He was a huge factor in the team increasing their wins by 7 over last year. The defense was pretty much the same as last year except for an almost fully healthy Ray Lewis and Trevor Pryce. I wasn't expecting him to win but wtf..not even 1 lousy vote.

It's not like baseball, where you can vote for multiple guys. I'm surprised BREES got as many votes as he did. I thought it might be unanimous this year.

 

It's the opposite for me. I was surprised Brees only got 4 votes. I was expecting like 15-20 votes for Brees. And anyone who's griping about a middling QB not getting a vote needs to take off their purple and gold and black glasses.

 

I figured he would at least get 1 vote, I wasnt expecting him to win. LT was clearly the MVP. But McNair had just as much to do with the Ravens going 13-3 as Brees did with the Saints doing as well as they did and he got 4 votes. Peyton Manning got 2 votes amazingly..1 of them coulda gone to McNair..

[Black Lushus 0]

well hell, why don't we just give the MVP to Brett Favre just for shits and giggles? He almost made the playoffs with a ridiculously crappy team.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

I think it's also about the statistics as much as it is about how valuable you are to the team. LT wouldn't have won if he hadn't broken the record for points scored or TDs scored, led the league in rushing. Same thing with Brees. If he pulled the same numbers he did in San Diego for New Orleans and still lead them to a 10-6 record, he wouldn't really have as much of a chance, if any, to win.

[Hawk 34 0]

No. Baltimore had a good defense that bailed McNair out many times this season. Brees and his impact on the team winning was far greater then whatever impact McNair held. All McNair really did was limit the amount of INT that Boeller would have served up.

 

Manning was the entire Indy Colts team, as usual. He carried that team once again. Of course he was going to get votes in consideration for that effort.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

McNair had 3 late game winning drives (Week 3 vs CLE, Week 4 vs SD, Week 10 vs TEN) . He didnt keep that up but he didnt have to. But right there, without McNair the Ravens are 10-6 and probably close to not being in the playoffs.

[NoCalMike 0]

That many consecutive trips to the Conference Championship game is still impressive. The NFC was a bit stronger then, too.

 

While at the same time the NFC East was full of .500 or worse teams. When the NFC East is good, it is hard to get more then 11 wins in that division. The Eagles ruled over the weakest crop of NFC East teams since I dunno, EVER!?! Sure, it wasn't their fault, but it probably helped them earn some bloated records, and homefield advantage in the playoffs.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

That many consecutive trips to the Conference Championship game is still impressive. The NFC was a bit stronger then, too.

 

While at the same time the NFC East was full of .500 or worse teams. When the NFC East is good, it is hard to get more then 11 wins in that division. The Eagles ruled over the weakest crop of NFC East teams since I dunno, EVER!?! Sure, it wasn't their fault, but it probably helped them earn some bloated records, and homefield advantage in the playoffs.

 

The NFC East was an absolute joke the years (2001-2004) that Philly went to the NFC Title Game.

 

Philly 11-5, 12-4, 12-4, 13-3

Dallas 5-11, 5-11, 10-6, 6-10 (26-38)

Washington 8-8, 7-9, 5-11, 6-10 (26-38)

NYG 7-9, 10-6, 4-12, 6-10 (27-37)

ARZ 7-9

 

With the exception of Arizona in 2001, the rest of the NFC East averaged a .400 winning percentage over the span of 4 years or roughly a 6-10 record. Dallas and NY had 1 good year each and the Skins had a .500 year that was their best. Each team was 6-10 the year that the Eagles finally made it to the Super Bowl..

[alfdogg 0]

Art Shell is out as coach of the Raiders.

[teke184 0]

OK...

 

The coaching carousel currently sits at Arizona (Denny Green, fired), Atlanta (Jim Mora Jr., fired), Miami (Nick Saban, hired at Alabama), Oakland (Art Shell, resigned), and Pittsburgh (Bill Cowher, retirement).

 

 

The only one of these people didn't necessarily see coming a month ago was Saban, as Cowher's possible retirement has been out there all year and the other coaches had notable problems on the field and/or with the owners.

 

 

 

The only likely firing I can see on the horizon is Tom Coughlin if the Giants completely lay an egg this weekend. (That's a distinct possibility right there.)

 

 

I think that Romeo Crennel and Joe Gibbs will get passes for the time being, while even the stupidest owners and GMs (Millen and Ford, please pick up the white courtesy phone) can blame first-year coaches like Rod Marinelli or Brad Childress considering the talent (or lack thereof) they were working with.

[TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0]

Shut the fuck up with the Ravens already.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

Shut the fuck up with the Ravens already.

I got at least 10 more days, but hopefully way more than that.

[hyperchord24 0]

Well, I guess you all have in your head to hate Saban, so I'll stop trying to convince you of how wrong you are.

Thank you.

That was directed towards the general public as well -- ESPN and the like (and Don Shula). Why Shula decided to speak up and let his personal feelings get in the way of his objective opinion on the matter as a successful NFL coach is beyond me.

 

I'm sick of people ready to put Nick Saban's head on a pole b/c he opted out of his contract early. Like this has never been done before and he was somehow dishonest. This loyalty BS is sickening. "Oh, he quit on a job," or "Oh he let down everybody who's involved," or "he's running away with his tail between his legs." Like loyalty was ever important in the NFL. If it were, would coaches be given longer leashes? Wouldn't players stay with teams longer while taking a paycut (while some players do this, this is not at all common). Wouldn't the titans have handled the McNair situation better?

 

In the end, he owes nothing to anybody. He owes it to himself to work at a job he truly loves for his and his family's sake.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

I usually don't advocate the firing of a coach after one season, but Art Shell was so obviously out of his league as a coach last year that I can't but help supporting this move. He wasn't the only problem with that team, but he was a major one and I'm glad Davis at least realized that. Hopefully they'll promote Rob Ryan instead of looking for the next hot offensive coordinator like they always do.

[C Dubya 04 0]

I think that the media needs to get over themselves with the whole Sabin thing. It happens all the time. The media is just pissy because Sabin told them all one thing during the season then changed his mind. BFD.

[Guest Princess Leena]

"In this league at this position, you have to bring it every single week no matter what (and) in the situation (against the Packers) it felt like I was going to play about a half, it's the last game, New Year's Eve, and there were so many factors that brought my focus away from what is actually important," Grossman said.

 

New Years' Eve? Oy, Rex. That might be worse than Billy Joe Hobert.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

I think that the media needs to get over themselves with the whole Sabin thing. It happens all the time. The media is just pissy because Sabin told them all one thing during the season then changed his mind. BFD.

 

I think they've overreacted to the Saban thing as well. Coaches change jobs. No one is blaming Cowher for quitting. It's not like he's just chasing the money either. He's getting less at Alabama than he was at Miami anyways, at least on a per year basis.

[Guest Princess Leena]

Wouldn't a more accurate barometer be to compare their their first full seasons (esp. since Vick is in his 6th season)?

The comparisons are to the current Vick. And he's certainly declined since that 2002 season. Which brings up the "Vick really is awful vs. the same will happen with Young when defenses "figure him out"" stuff.

 

Even though Young is in his first year in the league, he's already a better passer by these statistics. Not only that, Vick is actually below replacement for the position, from a passing standpoint.

How are those stats determined?

 

I don't understand how a QB who throws for 8 less TD, a lower completion %, and a lower average yards per catch can be significantly BETTER than the other QB...

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Jason Taylor named defensive player of the year.